370Z disappointment -is Nismo the cure?

Hotrodz · 10-25-2013, 10:04 AM

I think everyone is basically saying the same thing, it all depends on what an individual wants to spend and the type of performance, sports car style or build they want to do or not. I think you got to be off your rocker if you don't think driving a Vet is not fun or worth it. I personally choose the Nismo because of it uniqueness and performance factor. I since have gone nuts in customizing it. Is it worth it...really could care less about popular opinion, it's my money and my fun. I see Corvettes everyday a Z once in a while and a Nismo hardly ever. I never considered myself an exhibitionist, but it is pretty damn cool to have people take pictures of your car as pull up beside you or wait for you to come out of a store to talk cars....and the ladies love it!

chii370 · 10-25-2013, 10:06 AM

Yes that!!!

FortuneLSX-TT · 10-25-2013, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079

For that it makes sense. At $43k it's a harder sell.

Yeah, the recent price increases are a bit rough. But I appreciate them helping to keep my trade in value high.

I've seen a few with Bose etc going for 47k now. For 47k... I'm not going with a 370Z. At the same time you can easily option out a Touring Sport to around 42k. Which gets you some leather, ok sound system, and some navigation. Totally not worth it to me, but to others completely justified.

I do think the Nismo Z and the 370Z in general is in a weird class though. It's gets compared up to the Cayman S and Z06 and at the same time gets compared down to the BRZ/FRS. It's an oddball that doesn't quite fit in, and I'm ok with that.

Isamu · 10-25-2013, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079

For that it makes sense. At $43k it's a harder sell.

meh, even at 43.. it's not TERRIBLE... I have seen a few cars for got much more then they are worth..

fuct · 10-29-2013, 04:39 PM

my 2010 brand new nismo was well worth the 37,700 i paid. the new prices are a bit steep.

zae757 · 10-29-2013, 05:07 PM

...I don't have the Nismo and don't think I would pay the extra money for it. If you want to personalize your Z, going with the touring or even base is the best option. I've spent 27k (a little too much) for mine and invested 2500 and produce as much if not more hp than a stock Nismo (and I have a touchscreen navi). 1500 more for the sports brakes and I'm there basically, almost (didn't really like the bodykit of the Nismo).

At the end of the day, it's all about what you want to spend your money on. 43k + 8k = C7 ...I'd go that route if I had the cash flow...I just feel the Z is not a car everyone has like a Camaro or Mustang...

FortuneLSX-TT · 10-29-2013, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by zae757

...I don't have the Nismo and don't think I would pay the extra money for it. If you want to personalize your Z, going with the touring or even base is the best option. I've spent 27k (a little too much) for mine and invested 2500 and produce as much if not more hp than a stock Nismo (and I have a touchscreen navi). 1500 more for the sports brakes and I'm there basically, almost (didn't really like the bodykit of the Nismo).

At the end of the day, it's all about what you want to spend your money on. 43k + 8k = C7 ...I'd go that route if I had the cash flow...I just feel the Z is not a car everyone has like a Camaro or Mustang...

I love how people compare buying a brand new Nismo to buying their used non-Nismo. Stop comparing apples to oranges. For me 3k more for the rims, suspension, body kit and extra power was well worth it. 5k more for some leather seats and crappy Bose sound system not worth it to me. Another 2k for some navigation? Not worth it to me either. I know where I'm going and if I don't my phone does. And always add the Sport if you can is a decent value.

So 2500 for more power and 1500 more for Sport brakes and you're there? So that tells me you have the base. So still open diff? Suspension? Functional aerodynamics? Wider very light rims? Doesn't sound like you've came close to touching the Nismo for 4k more yet to me.

Tazicon · 10-29-2013, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by TomM

Test drove a 370Z base with sport package and was really not impressed at all. Steering felt mushy. Engine tame and docile, not to mention you couldn't even hear it! Gear box felt notchy. Car felt like a bad rental with no road feel whatsoever. View from the drivers seat lame when compared to my RX-7 or Mini or Vette---there is no view of muscular body---just hood bump.

Before you rip me a new *******, I want honest opinions on whether it is worth driving an hour to test drive a Nismo version. How different is it?

Thx for any assistance

You need to buy a different car or you will be the next JungleZ poster out there. Really if you dont like the car now its not going to get any better. A Nismo adds some more power and is worth the extra money but doesnt sound like it is going to help your case any.

zae757 · 10-29-2013, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by FortuneLSX-TT

I love how people compare buying a brand new Nismo to buying their used non-Nismo. Stop comparing apples to oranges. For me 3k more for the rims, suspension, body kit and extra power was well worth it. 5k more for some leather seats and crappy Bose sound system not worth it to me. Another 2k for some navigation? Not worth it to me either. I know where I'm going and if I don't my phone does. And always add the Sport if you can is a decent value.

So 2500 for more power and 1500 more for Sport brakes and you're there? So that tells me you have the base. So still open diff? Suspension? Functional aerodynamics? Wider very light rims? Doesn't sound like you've came close to touching the Nismo for 4k more yet to me.

I was speaking of the engine, exhaust, etc. I don't like the wheels, so I purchased some vossens which look a lot better than the stock whatever. It's all about what you want to do to your car. If I didn't want a challenge with personalized mods I would have looked for a Nismo but I like to personalize my toys. Also like I said before, the Nismo bodykit does nothing for me.

Also it's not apples and oranges. It's the same car; Nismo just nissan upgrades for 12k more when you can do it all yourself for about 7-8k depending on what you want.

SS_Firehawk · 10-29-2013, 06:42 PM

the rims alone are 4k, the bodykit is 5k, the suspension, sways, and dampers are at least $1700, the exhaust is about $1500, brakes are about $3k, diff (junk) will run about 1k, and SRM which you can't buy. if you were to buy it all new from Nissan (I'm guesstimating), you're looking at $16,000. Resale and vendors, it would still cost at least $10,000. Even if you sold all your base parts, I'll be generous and give $3,000, you're still $7,000 deep and we haven't paid for labor.

If you want to do your own mods, that make it similar to a Nismo from a base or touring, you're still at least $10,000 deep. Yes, Nismo cost $13,000 over the base model, with the sport package, you could get 3/4 of the Nismo mods for 1/4 the price. This tells me anyone who bought a base model to turn it into Nismo like performance is a poor choice. You could trade your car in for a SP, do the mods and still have less in it than if you'd start with a base model.

Oh, and the Nismo is just a bit sharper here and there compared to a SP Z. If you almost like a base or sport model, maaaaaybe the Nismo is for you. If you don't like the base or SP, Nismo isn't enough to change your mind.

FortuneLSX-TT · 10-29-2013, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by zae757

I was speaking of the engine, exhaust, etc. I don't like the wheels, so I purchased some vossens which look a lot better than the stock whatever. It's all about what you want to do to your car. If I didn't want a challenge with personalized mods I would have looked for a Nismo but I like to personalize my toys. Also like I said before, the Nismo bodykit does nothing for me.

Also it's not apples and oranges. It's the same car; Nismo just nissan upgrades for 12k more when you can do it all yourself for about 7-8k depending on what you want.

Comparing the price you paid for a USED 370Z to the price for a NEW Nismo 370Z is comparing apples to oranges. Unless I'm missing something and you got a Touring with Nav for 27k which is 3k below MSRP for the BASE model. Even if you did only pay that new, you're still comparing what you paid to the sticker price of the Nismo. I could compare what I paid for my Nismo to the sticker price for your car new and come out on top too.

I also fail to see how buying a Nismo prevents you from personalizing the car.

If you don't like the body kit, or the rims, or whatever that's fine. But just because you don't like them doesn't mean they're worth nothing. Don't like the exhaust, sell the stock Nismo exhaust. Don't like the rims, sell the rims and buy new ones. Don't like the suspension, you can sell that too and so on. You could also sell the wing, but I don't know why you'd want to. I just think the market for regular stock parts isn't as good.

Chuck33079 · 10-29-2013, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by SS_Firehawk

Oh, and the Nismo is just a bit sharper here and there compared to a SP Z. If you almost like a base or sport model, maaaaaybe the Nismo is for you. If you don't like the base or SP, Nismo isn't enough to change your mind.

Does anything else really need to be said as far as the OP's question?

MJB · 10-29-2013, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079

Does anything else really need to be said as far as the OP's question?

Considering that this thread was started last year, the OP has a total of 2 posts and hasn't logged on in a year, I would have to say no.

Chuck33079 · 10-29-2013, 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by MJB

Considering that this thread was started last year, the OP has a total of 2 posts and hasn't logged on in a year, I would have to say no.

Yeah, that was brought up when this thread was bumped originally. Then we decided that this was as good a place as any to argue.

zae757 · 10-29-2013, 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by FortuneLSX-TT

Comparing the price you paid for a USED 370Z to the price for a NEW Nismo 370Z is comparing apples to oranges. Unless I'm missing something and you got a Touring with Nav for 27k which is 3k below MSRP for the BASE model. Even if you did only pay that new, you're still comparing what you paid to the sticker price of the Nismo. I could compare what I paid for my Nismo to the sticker price for your car new and come out on top too.

I also fail to see how buying a Nismo prevents you from personalizing the car.

If you don't like the body kit, or the rims, or whatever that's fine. But just because you don't like them doesn't mean they're worth nothing. Don't like the exhaust, sell the stock Nismo exhaust. Don't like the rims, sell the rims and buy new ones. Don't like the suspension, you can sell that too and so on. You could also sell the wing, but I don't know why you'd want to. I just think the market for regular stock parts isn't as good.

It was perfectly explained this way:

Only if you plan on keeping your Nismo stock forever vs other base/sport pkge stock forever Z's would this even have a little merit. Its the SAME ENGINE with a little more free flowing exhaust and a light tune. Its a drivers race man, SORRY... There also plenty of WAAY better exhausts and suspension mods out there than can be had then what the NISMO is equipped with...they are on the same playing field...like it or not... you paid a ton of extra cash for for sup par exhaust, tune, suspension tweaks. Most people who REALLy want to turn the Z into an all out track car dont go for the Nismo, they get a base and build...

You can justify it anyway you want but it's the same no apples to oranges. It's like saying the iPad mini is totally different from the iPad. Same device, one just has a larger screen, same device and everything. You I believe have force induction, so you had to or should have changed out everything except for suspension that you paid extra for...just stating facts...

10-25-2013, 10:04 AM	#31 (permalink)
Hotrodz Premium Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: NW, AZ Posts: 9,330 Drives: 10 Nissan 370z Nismo Rep Power: 2684384	I think everyone is basically saying the same thing, it all depends on what an individual wants to spend and the type of performance, sports car style or build they want to do or not. I think you got to be off your rocker if you don't think driving a Vet is not fun or worth it. I personally choose the Nismo because of it uniqueness and performance factor. I since have gone nuts in customizing it. Is it worth it...really could care less about popular opinion, it's my money and my fun. I see Corvettes everyday a Z once in a while and a Nismo hardly ever. I never considered myself an exhibitionist, but it is pretty damn cool to have people take pictures of your car as pull up beside you or wait for you to come out of a store to talk cars....and the ladies love it! chii370 likes this. __________________ *Fast Intentions TT Installed and Tuned by Seb at SpecialtyZ 610whp 560tq:\|Fast Intentions 3" TT-TDX*\|SpecialtyZ/Fast Intentions 72 Row Oil Cooler\|SZ 6 Puck Clutch & Flywheel\|3GsCustoms\|Z1\|Wavetrac\|Hotchkis\|Whiteline \|Blitz\|Fortune Auto 500\|Fujimura\|SPL\|H&R\|TK\|TWM\|RPM Rollbar\|Sparco\|Next Level Performance\|TrackSpec\|AeroFlow Dynamics\|Pioneer\|

10-29-2013, 06:42 PM	#40 (permalink)
SS_Firehawk Premium Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Tampa Posts: 4,142 Drives: 13' Magma Red Nismo Rep Power: 7334	the rims alone are 4k, the bodykit is 5k, the suspension, sways, and dampers are at least $1700, the exhaust is about $1500, brakes are about $3k, diff (junk) will run about 1k, and SRM which you can't buy. if you were to buy it all new from Nissan (I'm guesstimating), you're looking at $16,000. Resale and vendors, it would still cost at least $10,000. Even if you sold all your base parts, I'll be generous and give $3,000, you're still $7,000 deep and we haven't paid for labor. If you want to do your own mods, that make it similar to a Nismo from a base or touring, you're still at least $10,000 deep. Yes, Nismo cost $13,000 over the base model, with the sport package, you could get 3/4 of the Nismo mods for 1/4 the price. This tells me anyone who bought a base model to turn it into Nismo like performance is a poor choice. You could trade your car in for a SP, do the mods and still have less in it than if you'd start with a base model. Oh, and the Nismo is just a bit sharper here and there compared to a SP Z. If you almost like a base or sport model, maaaaaybe the Nismo is for you. If you don't like the base or SP, Nismo isn't enough to change your mind. Isamu likes this. __________________ Old Car:GTM TSC'd 550whp / 410lbft tq @ 11.88PSI New Car: Under Construction

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10-25-2013, 10:06 AM	#32 (permalink)
chii370 Track Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: . Posts: 642 Drives: . Rep Power: 15	Yes that!!!

10-29-2013, 04:39 PM	#35 (permalink)
fuct A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2009 Location: Sugar Land Posts: 3,692 Drives: 97' Ranger :) Rep Power: 23	my 2010 brand new nismo was well worth the 37,700 i paid. the new prices are a bit steep.

10-29-2013, 05:07 PM	#36 (permalink)
zae757 Base Member Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Fort Dix, NJ Posts: 167 Drives: 2010 370Z Rep Power: 11	...I don't have the Nismo and don't think I would pay the extra money for it. If you want to personalize your Z, going with the touring or even base is the best option. I've spent 27k (a little too much) for mine and invested 2500 and produce as much if not more hp than a stock Nismo (and I have a touchscreen navi). 1500 more for the sports brakes and I'm there basically, almost (didn't really like the bodykit of the Nismo). At the end of the day, it's all about what you want to spend your money on. 43k + 8k = C7 ...I'd go that route if I had the cash flow...I just feel the Z is not a car everyone has like a Camaro or Mustang...