nismo Vs base/sport

mmendez · 11-05-2013, 08:26 AM

Dude, cars are like woman, you have the one that you like, feels your needs, and can afford. In my case the Nismo was my poison...

w4kj4k · 11-05-2013, 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by w4kj4k

Sorry to bump an old thread but if the nismo has a different tune...

What if i had a base model. Got the same exhaust, intake, tune.

And then the nismo got the same exhust, intake and tune. Would they produce the same numbers then or very similar?

So this is correct?

Isamu · 11-05-2013, 08:38 AM

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So this is correct?

yes most likely... within a few hp... but you are gonna spend a chuck to do so
and assuming you have a shop who can tune it for you

Chuck33079 · 11-05-2013, 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by w4kj4k

So this is correct?

Well, the motor is the same. So if the intake, exhaust and tune are the same, output will be the same, or so close the difference can be written off as dyno variance.

andre12031948 · 11-05-2013, 09:12 AM

As far as the tune, the H.P. gain is at the engine, not at the wheels. I THINK a Osires uprev tune can add more H.P. than that factory one. When mods like test pipes or exhaust or just about any mod is added, the Osires tune woulds make even more sense. With a custom tune you can also have your redline raised.

Isamu · 11-05-2013, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by andre12031948

As far as the tune, the H.P. gain is at the engine, not at the wheels. I THINK a Osires uprev tune can add more H.P. than that factory one. When mods like test pipes or exhaust or just about any mod is added, the Osires tune woulds make even more sense. With a custom tune you can also have your redline raised.

huh? think about what you wrote, and then hit yourself in the head with a book.. and then re-write it...

andre12031948 · 11-05-2013, 10:08 AM

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huh? think about what you wrote, and then hit yourself in the head with a book.. and then re-write it...

???^^^^^^ I don't get it^^^^????

Isamu · 11-05-2013, 10:11 AM

the tune only gets you hp at the engine? engine hp translates into wheel HP...

andre12031948 · 11-05-2013, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Isamu

the tune only gets you hp at the engine? engine hp translates into wheel HP...

The Nismo/Nissan H.P is taken at the engine, so the 18(I believe is the number?) extra H.P that the Nismo reports would be much less on all the dynos we use that read H.P at the wheels. Got it???? No need to apologize

Isamu · 11-05-2013, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by andre12031948

The Nismo/Nissan H.P is taken at the engine, so the 18(I believe is the number?) extra H.P that the Nismo reports would be much less on all the dynos we use that read H.P at the wheels. Got it???? No need to apologize

The numbers are taken are BHP, but it still translates to more power to the wheels. Your statement makes it sound as tho, you would only gain BHP and no wheel hp... got it?

the base Z is the same way incase you were still unsure of yourself

andre12031948 · 11-05-2013, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Isamu

The numbers are taken are BHP, but it still translates to more power to the wheels. Your statement makes it sound as tho, you would only gain BHP and no wheel hp... got it?

the base Z is the same way incase you were still unsure of yourself

That EVERYBODY here knows that MUCH H.P is lost when they get to the rear wheels. Clutch/disk, trans, drive shaft, gears, axles, tires, wheels, brake size/weight & I'm sure more are the reason why we dyno at the wheels.

I guess I was wrong about EVERYONE understanding that. So 18h.p at the engine is NOT that much.

FortuneLSX-TT · 11-05-2013, 11:04 AM

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That EVERYBODY here knows that MUCH H.P is lost when they get to the rear wheels. Clutch/disk, trans, drive shaft, gears, axles, tires, wheels, brake size/weight & I'm sure more are the reason why we dyno at the wheels.

I guess I was wrong about EVERYONE understanding that. So 18h.p at the engine is NOT that much.

I'm pretty sure we dyno at the wheels because taking our engines out of the car and hooking them up to an engine dyno is not exactly a very cost effective measure. Dynos are useful for tuning. The track is useful for proving who is actually the fastest. My numbers fluctuate by a ridiculous number from dyno to dyno and day to day. Dynos are a useful indicator of performance gained, but by no means are they the end all be all of performance. I thought everyone knew that one.

Secondly, peak numbers only tell a fraction of the story. The area under the curve, and getting that power to the ground effectively matter a lot more. So a car with more power can still lose to a car with less power. Everything else being equal, then yes the car with ONLY 18 extra bhp will still win.

Does the drive train lose power? Yes. Does 18bhp matter to some people? Without a doubt it does. If 18hp wasn't that much of a gain then why do some people bother getting an intake or a test pipe or whatever other mod that ONLY gets them a few rwhp.

It still baffles me to no end, why does everyone think that owning a Nismo means you are not allowed to change any part ever?

Isamu · 11-05-2013, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by FortuneLSX-TT

I'm pretty sure we dyno at the wheels because taking our engines out of the car and hooking them up to an engine dyno is not exactly a very cost effective measure. Dynos are useful for tuning. The track is useful for proving who is actually the fastest. My numbers fluctuate by a ridiculous number from dyno to dyno and day to day. Dynos are a useful indicator of performance gained, but by no means are they the end all be all of performance. I thought everyone knew that one.

Secondly, peak numbers only tell a fraction of the story. The area under the curve, and getting that power to the ground effectively matter a lot more. So a car with more power can still lose to a car with less power. Everything else being equal, then yes the car with ONLY 18 extra bhp will still win.

Does the drive train lose power? Yes. Does 18bhp matter to some people? Without a doubt it does. If 18hp wasn't that much of a gain then why do some people bother getting an intake or a test pipe or whatever other mod that ONLY gets them a few rwhp.

It still baffles me to no end, why does everyone think that owning a Nismo means you are not allowed to change any part ever?

thank you baby jesus... someone knows whats up.. and because stupid is why people think if you buy a NISMO you can't change parts

andre12031948 · 11-05-2013, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by FortuneLSX-TT

I'm pretty sure we dyno at the wheels because taking our engines out of the car and hooking them up to an engine dyno is not exactly a very cost effective measure. Dynos are useful for tuning. The track is useful for proving who is actually the fastest. My numbers fluctuate by a ridiculous number from dyno to dyno and day to day. Dynos are a useful indicator of performance gained, but by no means are they the end all be all of performance. I thought everyone knew that one.

Secondly, peak numbers only tell a fraction of the story. The area under the curve, and getting that power to the ground effectively matter a lot more. So a car with more power can still lose to a car with less power. Everything else being equal, then yes the car with ONLY 18 extra bhp will still win.

Does the drive train lose power? Yes. Does 18bhp matter to some people? Without a doubt it does. If 18hp wasn't that much of a gain then why do some people bother getting an intake or a test pipe or whatever other mod that ONLY gets them a few rwhp.

It still baffles me to no end, why does everyone think that owning a Nismo means you are not allowed to change any part ever?

like car's performance. I have my reason.

I'm NOT very much into doing dynos. Only once I went to a place where they had a group dyno thing. That was LONG ago & I mostly went just to see others/other cars.
It means very little to me if one person posts that he got 310whp & another says he got 320whp. I don't care. I've been clear as far as what I'm into.

My only reason to get into a big dyno talk on this post was because I didn't understand that guy's reaction/comment to my post....

Isamu · 11-05-2013, 11:27 AM

I think it's your grasp on the english language, and ability to formulate a proper sentence.

11-05-2013, 08:26 AM	#151 (permalink)
mmendez Base Member Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: San Juan, PR Posts: 17 Drives: 2010 370z Nismo Rep Power: 11	Dude, cars are like woman, you have the one that you like, feels your needs, and can afford. In my case the Nismo was my poison... __________________ 2010 370Z NISMO #0273 Magnetic Black - Injen SP Series Intake - Stillen Exhaust - Test Pipes - Stillen Cross/Slotted Rotors - Window Tint - IMSA & Nismo Decals.

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andre12031948 Banned Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: monticello new york 127 Posts: 1,095 Drives: 08 350z black 6m/t Rep Power: 0	I'm considering a Nismo, so I'm NOT anti Nismo As far as the tune, the H.P. gain is at the engine, not at the wheels. I THINK a Osires uprev tune can add more H.P. than that factory one. When mods like test pipes or exhaust or just about any mod is added, the Osires tune woulds make even more sense. With a custom tune you can also have your redline raised.

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