I Need More Horses.....

Mr C · 04-26-2012, 04:17 PM

Fellow 370 owners. I'm new to this forum and to Nissan. I've recently purchased an 09 370z. The car is defo a looker, however from day one I felt it didnt fulfill its potential. So I had an HKS SSM exhaust system fitted, HFC's Miltec Y pipe, HKS hybryd air filters and a remap.

I could really feel the difference but was amazed to note that whilst there was an increase of over 35BHP as a result of the mods, the max power registered on the map was just 315HP! As Nissan quote 331 I was more than a little dissapointed.

Is this normal? Should I focus more on the gains than the absolute power? Whats the best way to get to that magic figure of 350BHP?

Any ideas/suggestions?

nepali · 04-26-2012, 04:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr C

Fellow 370 owners. I'm new to this forum and to Nissan. I've recently purchased an 09 370z. The car is defo a looker, however from day one I felt it didnt fulfill its potential. So I had an HKS SSM exhaust system fitted, HFC's Miltec Y pipe, HKS hybryd air filters and a remap.

I could really feel the difference but was amazed to note that whilst there was an increase of over 35BHP as a result of the mods, the max power registered on the map was just 315HP! As Nissan quote 331 I was more than a little dissapointed.

Is this normal? Should I focus more on the gains than the absolute power? Whats the best way to get to that magic figure of 350BHP?

Any ideas/suggestions?

Why do you need more power? 315whp is more than enough to have fun! Your next option is either SC or TT.

TerribleONE · 04-26-2012, 04:28 PM

315whp is about 350BHP... if you are itching for more power above that, spray or boost are about the only ways..

Mr C · 04-26-2012, 05:19 PM

Thanks for the reply and guidance, but 315whp equating to 350BHP? Im confused - although easily done. Only today I was told by a reputable tuning house that the 331 figure Nissan quote is bogus.

Whilst the car does feel good, I still need to wind it up to get the heart beating. Thats why I was looking at other tweakes (new headers?) before considering SCing or adding turbos.

NYBladeZ · 04-26-2012, 05:42 PM

You're statement about "winding it up" is correct. The Z is not a muscle car with large displacement, thus it does not have the low end grunt that you seemingly are looking for. The Z needs to be driven hard to get the move out of her, that's just how she is designed and built and OP take no offense, but you should have known that when getting into her. If I was you I'd go with long tube headers, they won't throw a check engine light if installed properly. If that is to hardcore for you, high flow cats or test pipes are the way to go. You are retaining the stock cats and they are very restrictive. It still won't give you the low end grunt but if you don't feel the power...well you aren't driving her correctly.

Mr C · 04-26-2012, 06:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NYBladeZ

You're statement about "winding it up" is correct. The Z is not a muscle car with large displacement, thus it does not have the low end grunt that you seemingly are looking for. The Z needs to be driven hard to get the move out of her, that's just how she is designed and built and OP take no offense, but you should have known that when getting into her. If I was you I'd go with long tube headers, they won't throw a check engine light if installed properly. If that is to hardcore for you, high flow cats or test pipes are the way to go. You are retaining the stock cats and they are very restrictive. It still won't give you the low end grunt but if you don't feel the power...well you aren't driving her correctly.

NY BladeZ: No offense taken my friend. Your point is well made and valid. However to be clear I have fitted high flow cats. I think I will explore the option of replacing the stock headers. Thanks for taking the time to guide a Z first-timer.

NYBladeZ · 04-26-2012, 06:16 PM

Hmmm, well your first post didn't say HFC's. Ok well now that you have that I don't think you'll really see benefits with headers. Maybe if you had gone long tube headers because typically one piece instead of a combo of headers and hfc's seems like work better. Short of going twin turbo or supercharger I say go with 4.08 gears. I didn't have them on my Z but the rep is that they really wake the car up on the low end. Vids have been posted of a bolt on Z with gears running a 12.xx quarter mile. That would be my next mod in your application.

Mr C · 04-26-2012, 06:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TerribleONE

315whp is about 350BHP... if you are itching for more power above that, spray or boost are about the only ways..

TerribleONE: Sorry I wasnt clear in my initial response. I was told today that the 315HP measured on the rolling road dyno equated to about 256HP at the wheel. As I was led to beleive that the dyno measured flywheel power, and the hp measured at the wheel would be less as a result of losses in delivery mechanism. Hence my confusion at your statement 315whp is about 350BHP.

I still stand by my statement that the car feels much better. Its just that it didnt sit well with me that in reality my baby may only be pushing out just over 250 horses.

Huck · 04-26-2012, 06:31 PM

An average baseline dyno for the Z with no mods is around 270-285 hp. So you are somewhere around a 30 hp gain. If you just want to get to 350 hp at the wheels, I would suggest headers, a motordyne intake plenum, and some lightweight pulleys. That should get you there. If you want more then boost is the way to go, as previously stated. A decent TT setup can put you at 550whp on stock internals.

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Mr C · 04-26-2012, 06:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Huck

An average baseline dyno for the Z with no mods is around 270-285 hp. So you are somewhere around a 30 hp gain. If you just want to get to 350 hp at the wheels, I would suggest headers, a motordyne intake plenum, and some lightweight pulleys. That should get you there. If you want more then boost is the way to go, as previously stated. A decent TT setup can put you at 550whp on stock internals.

Sent from my iPhizzle using magic and new fangled science stuff

Thanks Huck!

Dark Sarcasm · 04-26-2012, 07:11 PM

to be clear, Nissans claims of 330 HP is at the crank, not the wheels.

LakeShow · 04-27-2012, 02:08 AM

Trade in for a Nismo.

Mr C · 04-28-2012, 01:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NYBladeZ

You're statement about "winding it up" is correct. The Z is not a muscle car with large displacement, thus it does not have the low end grunt that you seemingly are looking for. The Z needs to be driven hard to get the move out of her, that's just how she is designed and built and OP take no offense, but you should have known that when getting into her. If I was you I'd go with long tube headers, they won't throw a check engine light if installed properly. If that is to hardcore for you, high flow cats or test pipes are the way to go. You are retaining the stock cats and they are very restrictive. It still won't give you the low end grunt but if you don't feel the power...well you aren't driving her correctly.

Quote:

Originally Posted by LakeShow

Trade in for a Nismo.

Nismo? Thanks for the advice, but..... Nah. This baby is growing on me more each day. Just traveled 300 miles from the east coast of England to Wales. Had lots of fun. This car, with its mods, is a keeper.

seymore4 · 04-28-2012, 05:01 PM

have you done any ecu tuning? Or just the bolt ons?

rhd · 04-28-2012, 07:10 PM

The STILLEN 500 HP Supercharged Nissan 370Z - TUNED - YouTube

04-26-2012, 04:17 PM	#1 (permalink)
Mr C Base Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Suffolk Posts: 15 Drives: 09 Nissan 370z, Rep Power: 13	I Need More Horses..... Fellow 370 owners. I'm new to this forum and to Nissan. I've recently purchased an 09 370z. The car is defo a looker, however from day one I felt it didnt fulfill its potential. So I had an HKS SSM exhaust system fitted, HFC's Miltec Y pipe, HKS hybryd air filters and a remap. I could really feel the difference but was amazed to note that whilst there was an increase of over 35BHP as a result of the mods, the max power registered on the map was just 315HP! As Nissan quote 331 I was more than a little dissapointed. Is this normal? Should I focus more on the gains than the absolute power? Whats the best way to get to that magic figure of 350BHP? Any ideas/suggestions? __________________ _______ Injen Induction kit \| Miltec Y Pipes \| HFC's \| SSM HKS Exhaust \| UpRev Remap \| EIBACH 15mm spacers fnt & bck \| STILLEN drilled and slotted discs \| 324whp

04-26-2012, 04:28 PM	#3 (permalink)
TerribleONE A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Socal Posts: 10,203 Drives: WOT Rep Power: 5850	315whp is about 350BHP... if you are itching for more power above that, spray or boost are about the only ways.. __________________ 638WHP 541WTQ @ 13.5PSI Build thread

04-26-2012, 05:19 PM	#4 (permalink)
Mr C Base Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Suffolk Posts: 15 Drives: 09 Nissan 370z, Rep Power: 13	Thanks for the reply and guidance, but 315whp equating to 350BHP? Im confused - although easily done. Only today I was told by a reputable tuning house that the 331 figure Nissan quote is bogus. Whilst the car does feel good, I still need to wind it up to get the heart beating. Thats why I was looking at other tweakes (new headers?) before considering SCing or adding turbos. __________________ _______ Injen Induction kit \| Miltec Y Pipes \| HFC's \| SSM HKS Exhaust \| UpRev Remap \| EIBACH 15mm spacers fnt & bck \| STILLEN drilled and slotted discs \| 324whp

04-26-2012, 05:42 PM	#5 (permalink)
NYBladeZ A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: New York Posts: 2,158 Drives: Lotus Exige S Rep Power: 20	You're statement about "winding it up" is correct. The Z is not a muscle car with large displacement, thus it does not have the low end grunt that you seemingly are looking for. The Z needs to be driven hard to get the move out of her, that's just how she is designed and built and OP take no offense, but you should have known that when getting into her. If I was you I'd go with long tube headers, they won't throw a check engine light if installed properly. If that is to hardcore for you, high flow cats or test pipes are the way to go. You are retaining the stock cats and they are very restrictive. It still won't give you the low end grunt but if you don't feel the power...well you aren't driving her correctly. __________________ 2009 Carbon Fiber/Red 370z aka Trish: Sports Package, Meisterschaft full catback, Fast Intentions Longtube Headers, Injen Long Tube Intakes, UpRev Tune: Sold 2008 Lotus Exige S Club Racer aka Bella, always leaves me smiling

04-26-2012, 06:16 PM	#7 (permalink)
NYBladeZ A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: New York Posts: 2,158 Drives: Lotus Exige S Rep Power: 20	Hmmm, well your first post didn't say HFC's. Ok well now that you have that I don't think you'll really see benefits with headers. Maybe if you had gone long tube headers because typically one piece instead of a combo of headers and hfc's seems like work better. Short of going twin turbo or supercharger I say go with 4.08 gears. I didn't have them on my Z but the rep is that they really wake the car up on the low end. Vids have been posted of a bolt on Z with gears running a 12.xx quarter mile. That would be my next mod in your application. __________________ 2009 Carbon Fiber/Red 370z aka Trish: Sports Package, Meisterschaft full catback, Fast Intentions Longtube Headers, Injen Long Tube Intakes, UpRev Tune: Sold 2008 Lotus Exige S Club Racer aka Bella, always leaves me smiling

04-26-2012, 06:31 PM	#9 (permalink)
Huck A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Cocoa, Florida Age: 41 Posts: 5,075 Drives: Pantydropper machine Rep Power: 33	An average baseline dyno for the Z with no mods is around 270-285 hp. So you are somewhere around a 30 hp gain. If you just want to get to 350 hp at the wheels, I would suggest headers, a motordyne intake plenum, and some lightweight pulleys. That should get you there. If you want more then boost is the way to go, as previously stated. A decent TT setup can put you at 550whp on stock internals. Sent from my iPhizzle using magic and new fangled science stuff __________________ VLEDS \| Evo-R \| Moddiction \| CF Hood Struts \| F.I. CF CBE & LTH \| Stillen CAI \| NST Pulleys \| UpRev \| Z1 \| M7 \| Status \| Forgestar \| PSS \| Whiteline \| SPL \| SPC \| Kenwood \| Zenclosure \| Kicker \| Alpine Type R

04-26-2012, 07:11 PM	#11 (permalink)
Dark Sarcasm Track Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Katy Texas Posts: 552 Drives: 11 CTS-V Coupe Rep Power: 15	to be clear, Nissans claims of 330 HP is at the crank, not the wheels. __________________ wax

04-27-2012, 02:08 AM	#12 (permalink)
LakeShow A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: L.I., NY Posts: 5,307 Drives: Everything Rep Power: 25	Trade in for a Nismo. __________________ \|2013 Audi S4\|Ibis White/Black\|S-Tronic P+\| \|2013 370z\|PearlWhite/Persimmon\|Touring/Sport/Nav\|F.I. CBE 18" CF\| \|Sold\|2011 370z\|Gun Metallic\|Touring/Sport/Nav\|

04-28-2012, 05:01 PM	#14 (permalink)
seymore4 Track Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: West coast Age: 41 Posts: 555 Drives: 2010 nismo Rep Power: 6726	have you done any ecu tuning? Or just the bolt ons?

04-28-2012, 07:10 PM	#15 (permalink)
rhd Enthusiast Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: In the shop Posts: 281 Drives: Women Crazy Rep Power: 13	The STILLEN 500 HP Supercharged Nissan 370Z - TUNED - YouTube

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