HyperFest 13: Saturday June 15th

MightyBobo · 06-16-2013, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by ZCarMan

ResIpsa, I'm very sorry to hear of the failure of your CSC that caused a potential catastrophy at the track. I am happy to hear you were not injured along with anyone else. Cars can always be repaired by flesh and bones is a different story.

I would think this is a major safety issue that Nissan North America would want to know about, considering this could have caused life threatening injuries in the worst of situations. Anyhow, glad you are safe and insurance will cover the damage.

I dunno, Jon - the clutch safety switch is pretty much universal across cars. The only way for the computer to figure out if it should start the car, is if the clutch pedal is physically to the floor. Otherwise, maybe they'd have to install a sensor into the transmission that detects when the clutch is actually disengaged? But I don't think a single manual transmission car has that. Nissan would just argue back that their safety device worked perfectly: it sensed the clutch was to the floor, and it started the car.

Honestly, as much tough love as it is to think about it, it really was user error, but it's one that almost any one of us might do, forgetting about that switch.

ResIpsa · 06-16-2013, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by MightyBobo

I dunno, Jon - the clutch safety switch is pretty much universal across cars. The only way for the computer to figure out if it should start the car, is if the clutch pedal is physically to the floor. Otherwise, maybe they'd have to install a sensor into the transmission that detects when the clutch is actually disengaged? But I don't think a single manual transmission car has that. Nissan would just argue back that their safety device worked perfectly: it sensed the clutch was to the floor, and it started the car.

Honestly, as much tough love as it is to think about it, it really was user error, but it's one that almost any one of us might do, forgetting about that switch.

I tend to agree. That switch is there to prevent exactly what happened to me. The fact that it is now universal shows that this must have been a real problem in the past.

The real problem with our cars is that they have too much torque. If Nissan had only installed a weaker motor my car would have quickly stalled without me depressing the gas pedal!

MightyBobo · 06-16-2013, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by ResIpsa

I tend to agree. That switch is there to prevent exactly what happened to me. The fact that it is now universal shows that this must have been a real problem in the past.

The real problem with our cars is that they have too much torque. If Nissan had only installed a weaker motor my car would have quickly stalled without me depressing the gas pedal!

Yeah, the ORIGINAL problem was people starting their cars without depressing the clutch - so you could argue that the problem was already fixed lol.

Lol to the second part

ResIpsa · 06-16-2013, 06:53 PM

Bobo, have you had any problems with your clutch master or slave cylinder?

MightyBobo · 06-16-2013, 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by ResIpsa

Bobo, have you had any problems with your clutch master or slave cylinder?

Negative, not yet. That said, I haven't been out nearly as much as you, I'm guessing? I've done about 14 track days so far...

ZCarMan · 06-17-2013, 04:52 AM

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Originally Posted by MightyBobo

I dunno, Jon - the clutch safety switch is pretty much universal across cars. The only way for the computer to figure out if it should start the car, is if the clutch pedal is physically to the floor. Otherwise, maybe they'd have to install a sensor into the transmission that detects when the clutch is actually disengaged? But I don't think a single manual transmission car has that. Nissan would just argue back that their safety device worked perfectly: it sensed the clutch was to the floor, and it started the car.

Honestly, as much tough love as it is to think about it, it really was user error, but it's one that almost any one of us might do, forgetting about that switch.

I see your point. It does seem to me that there have been several people on this forum who have had failures of the CSC but nothing in terms of the dangerous situation that ResIpsa encountered. If anything, its a good reminder to anyone of what could happen in a similar situation.

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