Interest is New Intake Design? Looking for a test car!

Masa · 08-21-2012, 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by b1adesofcha0s

At a certain someone's housewarming orgy

b1adesofcha0s · 08-21-2012, 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Masa

eastwest2300 · 08-21-2012, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by MightyBobo

I feel all of this frustration between you two, D/Shahid. When are you guys going to challenge each others to fisticuffs....or admit that the sexual tension between you two is at the breaking point?

Im gonna toss his azz in the anacostia river!

eastwest2300 · 08-21-2012, 12:42 PM

Meeting up with Swift Tech tonight at 630pm, they wanna look at the car... Im pretty stoked, thanks Jordo!

Jordo! · 08-21-2012, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by eastwest2300

Meeting up with Swift Tech tonight at 630pm, they wanna look at the car... Im pretty stoked, thanks Jordo!

Awesome -- remember -- make sure they understand that the resonance chamber has to seal completely to the OEM bumper ducting.

If it's open in anyway, then it's unlikely to shield heat effectively, and that is a key goal here, as well as improving airflow.

Also, curious to see if they can work out a cone filter to mate to the bellmouth or whether a panel filter will be best (if so, will be similar to an improvement on the old ARC airbox design).

Please keep me posted! Thanks for getting involved!

Jordo! · 08-21-2012, 01:41 PM

Uhhh... anyway.

Sorry for anyone trying to PM me -- box is now open.

Guys, this is different from existing SRI's because the plan is:

1. Elliptical bellmouth velocity stack -- that should make a big difference in airflow.

2. The plan is to COMPLETELY SEAL to the OEM airducts -- that means NO underhood heat will be drawn in.

Every other SRI either fails to fully use the OEM ducting or fails to completely seal out underhood heat, with the exception of the OEM airbox, which doesn't have the flow advantage of a big CNC machined velocity stack.

3. Potential advantage over G3's = ease of installation and cleaning, and hopefully equal (or greater?) power. No way to know without building and testing.

Regarding the hydrolock issue, although I'd say the G3's have the best and safest design of any "filter outside the bumper" CAI, if the filter is outside the bumper, the risk is always there.

If the argument doesn't apply to the G#'s, it absolutely applies to the other CAI's for this car.

In either case, that is less of a merit to me than the ease of installation and cleaning if the filters are kept underhood and temps are kept cool.

Whether or not this works out is again something to be empirically tested. I'm just trying to get the project going. No harm in trying, and you guys know i like to evaluate the value of something based on clear dynos.

If someone doesn't want it or prefers the G3's or whatever, that's fine. This is just potentially another option, and based on fluid dynamics theory and basic tuning principles, it should work very well.

Again, I have no prior relationship with Swift -- just saw what they were building for the FR-S, and thought why not see if they'll make one for us.

4r3s · 08-21-2012, 01:49 PM

after reading up on velocity stacks I get where this is going and the idea makes sense to me now. Also not having to take the entire front bumper off to clean air filters would be really nice.

b1adesofcha0s · 08-21-2012, 01:50 PM

Would it be a good idea to get some intake air temp measurements to see if it's actually doing any heat shielding? Might be a good comparison to do vs the G3's.

Cmike2780 · 08-21-2012, 02:00 PM

Interesting idea. Not a lot of space to work with by the airbox(s) though. Maybe something like this, but with the concept you're describing.

Jordo! · 08-21-2012, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by 4r3s

after reading up on velocity stacks I get where this is going and the idea makes sense to me now. Also not having to take the entire front bumper off to clean air filters would be really nice.

Bingo! Exactly what I'm thinking

Some info on elliptical velocity stacks here http://www.datsun510.com/bbmail/2008-2/5816.html

So we're talking a potential improvement in airflow of 20%, all else being equal.

That sounds worth building a prototype to me.

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Originally Posted by b1adesofcha0s

Would it be a good idea to get some intake air temp measurements to see if it's actually doing any heat shielding? Might be a good comparison to do vs the G3's.

I'm all for that. Phase 1 is prototype and compare and contrast with the smooth tubes + K&N on factory airbox -- if it can't out flow that, then who cares?

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Originally Posted by Cmike2780

Interesting idea. Not a lot of space to work with by the airbox(s) though. Maybe something like this, but with the concept you're describing.

There's exact pics (minus the 90* bend to secondary pipe+filter) of what I am thinking in the link in first post.

Otherwise, similar to that, but sealing completely with OEM ducting rather than open like the ARC box, and of course the big CNC'd velocity stack inside.

Well, that's the idea anyway -- what there is or isn't room for is yet to be determined...

eastwest2300 · 08-21-2012, 02:43 PM

Dude, that picture looks sick.

Cmike2780 · 08-21-2012, 02:43 PM

Yup, that's what I was thinking. This would be something I'd definitely be interested in. It can't cost a more than the current CAI offerings like the Gen 3's though.

b1adesofcha0s · 08-21-2012, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Cmike2780

Yup, that's what I was thinking. This would be something I'd definitely be interested in. It can't cost a more than the current CAI offerings like the Gen 3's though.

Yeah anything more than that is overpriced anyways for potentially very minimal gains if any.

After reading up on velocity stacks a little bit (ok I just read the wiki page

) this looks to be promising

Jordo! · 08-21-2012, 02:56 PM

^^^ Yep -- the primary goal here is improved flow without sacrificing air temps, with the secondary goals of ease of installation and cleaning.

As to price -- I made a point of mentioning to Swift that it needs to come in around or cheaper than the G3's to be competitive, so we'll see what they can do.

But, yeah -- that thing is a work of art! If they make the plexiglass cover for us, we can admire the lovely work while it's installed.

The real question is whether a cone element can be mated to it or if they can just make a screen for a panel filter. Either should be fine -- guess we just have to see what they come up with.

TenaciousZ · 08-21-2012, 03:16 PM

I'm in for updates.

I always thought the velocity stacks on s2k's were awesome.

remember reading that preludes and s2000s were seeing huge improvements in pedal response.

08-21-2012, 12:42 PM	#4 (permalink)
eastwest2300 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2010 Location: South FL Posts: 91,035 Drives: '16QX70/'21 Supra3.0 Rep Power: 2684553	Meeting up with Swift Tech tonight at 630pm, they wanna look at the car... Im pretty stoked, thanks Jordo! __________________ Infiniti QX70 & Toyota Supra 3.0 Premium

08-21-2012, 01:41 PM	#6 (permalink)
Jordo! A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2010 Location: nirvana Posts: 6,394 Drives: 2023 NATM Rep Power: 420	Uhhh... anyway. Sorry for anyone trying to PM me -- box is now open. Guys, this is different from existing SRI's because the plan is: 1. Elliptical bellmouth velocity stack -- that should make a big difference in airflow. 2. The plan is to COMPLETELY SEAL to the OEM airducts -- that means NO underhood heat will be drawn in. Every other SRI either fails to fully use the OEM ducting or fails to completely seal out underhood heat, with the exception of the OEM airbox, which doesn't have the flow advantage of a big CNC machined velocity stack. 3. Potential advantage over G3's = ease of installation and cleaning, and hopefully equal (or greater?) power. No way to know without building and testing. Regarding the hydrolock issue, although I'd say the G3's have the best and safest design of any "filter outside the bumper" CAI, if the filter is outside the bumper, the risk is always there. If the argument doesn't apply to the G#'s, it absolutely applies to the other CAI's for this car. In either case, that is less of a merit to me than the ease of installation and cleaning if the filters are kept underhood and temps are kept cool. Whether or not this works out is again something to be empirically tested. I'm just trying to get the project going. No harm in trying, and you guys know i like to evaluate the value of something based on clear dynos. If someone doesn't want it or prefers the G3's or whatever, that's fine. This is just potentially another option, and based on fluid dynamics theory and basic tuning principles, it should work very well. Again, I have no prior relationship with Swift -- just saw what they were building for the FR-S, and thought why not see if they'll make one for us. __________________ Enjoy it. Destroy it. Last edited by Jordo!; 08-21-2012 at 01:48 PM.

08-21-2012, 01:50 PM	#8 (permalink)
b1adesofcha0s A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: MD Posts: 40,963 Drives: HypeTrain Choo Choo! Rep Power: 143	Would it be a good idea to get some intake air temp measurements to see if it's actually doing any heat shielding? Might be a good comparison to do vs the G3's. __________________ Project: b1adeZmobile (2009 370Z) \| Uprev Tune by AAM Competition \| Berk Exhaust Project: b1adeZmobile 2.0 (2014 C7 Z51) \| Corsa Xtreme Exhaust

08-21-2012, 02:00 PM	#9 (permalink)
Cmike2780 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Long Island Posts: 5,059 Drives: slowwww Rep Power: 30	Interesting idea. Not a lot of space to work with by the airbox(s) though. Maybe something like this, but with the concept you're describing. __________________ [09][MB][6-Spd MT][Touring][Stillen Gen III][K&N][Borla CBE][Evo-R] [ArchitTEK Photography]

08-21-2012, 02:43 PM	#11 (permalink)
eastwest2300 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2010 Location: South FL Posts: 91,035 Drives: '16QX70/'21 Supra3.0 Rep Power: 2684553	Dude, that picture looks sick. __________________ Infiniti QX70 & Toyota Supra 3.0 Premium

08-21-2012, 01:49 PM	#7 (permalink)
4r3s A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: MD Posts: 2,077 Drives: Touring 370z Rep Power: 26	after reading up on velocity stacks I get where this is going and the idea makes sense to me now. Also not having to take the entire front bumper off to clean air filters would be really nice.

08-21-2012, 02:43 PM	#12 (permalink)
Cmike2780 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Long Island Posts: 5,059 Drives: slowwww Rep Power: 30	Yup, that's what I was thinking. This would be something I'd definitely be interested in. It can't cost a more than the current CAI offerings like the Gen 3's though. __________________ [09][MB][6-Spd MT][Touring][Stillen Gen III][K&N][Borla CBE][Evo-R] [ArchitTEK Photography]

08-21-2012, 02:56 PM	#14 (permalink)
Jordo! A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2010 Location: nirvana Posts: 6,394 Drives: 2023 NATM Rep Power: 420	^^^ Yep -- the primary goal here is improved flow without sacrificing air temps, with the secondary goals of ease of installation and cleaning. As to price -- I made a point of mentioning to Swift that it needs to come in around or cheaper than the G3's to be competitive, so we'll see what they can do. But, yeah -- that thing is a work of art! If they make the plexiglass cover for us, we can admire the lovely work while it's installed. The real question is whether a cone element can be mated to it or if they can just make a screen for a panel filter. Either should be fine -- guess we just have to see what they come up with. __________________ Enjoy it. Destroy it.

08-21-2012, 03:16 PM	#15 (permalink)
TenaciousZ Base Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Kansas City Posts: 160 Drives: Black 09 sp/tour/nav Rep Power: 16	I'm in for updates. I always thought the velocity stacks on s2k's were awesome. remember reading that preludes and s2000s were seeing huge improvements in pedal response. __________________ 09 370Z Black Sport/Touring/Navi Red Stitching

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