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SPOHN · 01-29-2012, 04:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KevinB

Chris,

Do those brackets bolt into the stock seat bolts? Any advantage to using a side mount bracket? Thanks

Yes they mount in the same holes. You have to buy after market rails and brakets that mount to the floor if you want them to slide forward and all. But if you want to go custom you can have them mounted to the floor which makes them low as possiable. Which I might do one day for these are a little higher than stock. But you can't slide them after you have that done.

The side mounted brakets have to be used with these seats so no real advantage beside being sturdy.

Mike · 01-30-2012, 05:36 PM

Looking good!

The guy that I originally purchased these seats from never specified that they were two different sizes, just advertised them as a pair of XLs.

I got them about a year ago, new and unused and saw the XL label on one underneath the bubble wrap. Apparently, I unwrapped the other one, that wasn't an XL and didn't fit in it, so I sold them to Spohn. Had I just tried the other one! I discovered it when I took the second out of storage a half hour before he picked them up. However, when sitting, my legs go out to the sides, and I don't think I could be comfortable in a seat that holds them straight anyways.

SPOHN · 01-30-2012, 06:00 PM

Thanks for the sale Mike. Dropped the car off at Forged (Forged 2 that is) today for the cage. Can't wait till I see it. Especially after I paint it wrinkle red.

wstar · 01-30-2012, 06:21 PM

What are you doing cage-wise btw? As in, what level of completeness?

SPOHN · 01-30-2012, 06:31 PM

4 point only with the intentions of going full cage in the future.

wstar · 01-30-2012, 06:57 PM

Excellent. I'm going to be restricting myself to 4pt initially as well (once I get around to it in a few weeks). It seems like when you evaluate the net of the situation, >4pt requires the car be track only, arriving on a trailer. Anything with forward bars isn't gonna be safe without a helmet on in any kind of collision.

sig11 · 01-31-2012, 12:41 PM

I'm sad I'm just now finding your thread. Good stuff. Love the look of that wing!

I'm just about to try to figure out how to put in the Australian harness bar.

I got talked out of a 4pt by my local cage builder... He told me it would make a full cage even more expensive if I wanted to go that way in the future. *shrug* I'm still not sure about my decision... but excited to have the new seats/harnesses!

wstar · 01-31-2012, 12:59 PM

Arguably, a harness bar is always a bad safety idea.

In stock configuration, the safety design with regular seatbelts is that in the event of a rollover, your body can fall to the side a bit as the roof crushes in on you. Once you strap into a 4+ point harness, you're immobilized from falling to the side, and in a rollover without a rollbar your head will take the weight of the car and your spine/neck gets compressed/crushed.

Combining that with what I said above, it seems like the only combined options that don't seriously compromise safety in some situation are:

1) Stock everything
2) 4-pt rollbar + harnesses: still streetable w/o a helmet, can choose harness-vs-seatbelt usage regardless of helmet status (or completely remove seatbelts and go full-time harness).
3) >4-pt cage: not streetable, always requires a helmet + harness.

sig11 · 01-31-2012, 01:22 PM

I realize this but it's a matter of gambling over the likelyhood of a rollover and how much one extra hoop will protect you in that rollover. :P I've gone back and forth on it and it mostly comes down to how serious I want to get in this car!

Unique_Z · 01-31-2012, 01:29 PM

wow 4 point

SPOHN · 02-05-2012, 08:17 AM

Here's a pic taken at Forged last week. I know some of you guys are awaitng pics of my roll cage. They will be posted tomorrow after I pick up the car.

onzedge · 02-05-2012, 08:21 AM

Nice shot. ^^^

Baer383 · 02-05-2012, 08:44 AM

Looks good stig!!!

Can't wait to see those seats,cage in person

Alchemy · 02-05-2012, 09:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SPOHN

My new seats. Cat approved. Can't wait to get these in. One seat is a XL for passengers of a different size. They only
weigh 19lbs. Woot. Thanks to Mike for the sale. He even powdered coated the brackets wrinkle red for me also. Same as my intakes and strut bar if you have see that earlier.

Damn SPOHN your cat looks exactally like mine!! WTF

Oh, nice shot of the car above. Looks great.

SPOHN · 02-05-2012, 09:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Baer383

Looks good stig!!!

Can't wait to see those seats,cage in person

Fire up some steaks and I'll be on my way.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alchemy

Damn SPOHN your cat looks exactally like mine!! WTF

Oh, nice shot of the car above. Looks great.

I guess that means there are just two bad a$$ cars out there. Plus Frank above

01-30-2012, 05:36 PM	#407 (permalink)
Mike The370Z.com Sponsor Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Loganville, GA Posts: 5,944 Drives: 370z Rep Power: 2186	Looking good! The guy that I originally purchased these seats from never specified that they were two different sizes, just advertised them as a pair of XLs. I got them about a year ago, new and unused and saw the XL label on one underneath the bubble wrap. Apparently, I unwrapped the other one, that wasn't an XL and didn't fit in it, so I sold them to Spohn. Had I just tried the other one! I discovered it when I took the second out of storage a half hour before he picked them up. However, when sitting, my legs go out to the sides, and I don't think I could be comfortable in a seat that holds them straight anyways. __________________ NISSAN: 75 280Z / 86 300ZX GLL /87 Sentra SE / 03 350Z / 23 Z Porsche: 93 968 / 23 Macan GTS / 93 968

01-30-2012, 06:00 PM	#408 (permalink)
SPOHN A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Covington, GA Age: 45 Posts: 14,844 Drives: Waiting on next Z Rep Power: 221	Thanks for the sale Mike. Dropped the car off at Forged (Forged 2 that is) today for the cage. Can't wait till I see it. Especially after I paint it wrinkle red. __________________

01-30-2012, 06:21 PM	#409 (permalink)
wstar A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 4,024 Drives: too slow Rep Power: 3594	What are you doing cage-wise btw? As in, what level of completeness? __________________ 7AT Track Car! Journal thread / Car setup details

01-30-2012, 06:31 PM	#410 (permalink)
SPOHN A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Covington, GA Age: 45 Posts: 14,844 Drives: Waiting on next Z Rep Power: 221	4 point only with the intentions of going full cage in the future. __________________

01-30-2012, 06:57 PM	#411 (permalink)
wstar A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 4,024 Drives: too slow Rep Power: 3594	Excellent. I'm going to be restricting myself to 4pt initially as well (once I get around to it in a few weeks). It seems like when you evaluate the net of the situation, >4pt requires the car be track only, arriving on a trailer. Anything with forward bars isn't gonna be safe without a helmet on in any kind of collision. __________________ 7AT Track Car! Journal thread / Car setup details

01-31-2012, 12:41 PM	#412 (permalink)
sig11 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Detroit Posts: 1,294 Drives: 09 370Z Red Sport-MT Rep Power: 18	I'm sad I'm just now finding your thread. Good stuff. Love the look of that wing! I'm just about to try to figure out how to put in the Australian harness bar. I got talked out of a 4pt by my local cage builder... He told me it would make a full cage even more expensive if I wanted to go that way in the future. shrug I'm still not sure about my decision... but excited to have the new seats/harnesses!

01-31-2012, 12:59 PM	#413 (permalink)
wstar A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 4,024 Drives: too slow Rep Power: 3594	Arguably, a harness bar is always a bad safety idea. In stock configuration, the safety design with regular seatbelts is that in the event of a rollover, your body can fall to the side a bit as the roof crushes in on you. Once you strap into a 4+ point harness, you're immobilized from falling to the side, and in a rollover without a rollbar your head will take the weight of the car and your spine/neck gets compressed/crushed. Combining that with what I said above, it seems like the only combined options that don't seriously compromise safety in some situation are: 1) Stock everything 2) 4-pt rollbar + harnesses: still streetable w/o a helmet, can choose harness-vs-seatbelt usage regardless of helmet status (or completely remove seatbelts and go full-time harness). 3) >4-pt cage: not streetable, always requires a helmet + harness. __________________ 7AT Track Car! Journal thread / Car setup details Last edited by wstar; 01-31-2012 at 01:02 PM.

01-31-2012, 01:22 PM	#414 (permalink)
sig11 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Detroit Posts: 1,294 Drives: 09 370Z Red Sport-MT Rep Power: 18	I realize this but it's a matter of gambling over the likelyhood of a rollover and how much one extra hoop will protect you in that rollover. :P I've gone back and forth on it and it mostly comes down to how serious I want to get in this car!

01-31-2012, 01:29 PM	#415 (permalink)
Unique_Z A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Brunei Posts: 1,515 Drives: 370Z, 180SX Rep Power: 17	wow 4 point __________________ My Z Build UniqueZ

02-05-2012, 08:17 AM	#416 (permalink)
SPOHN A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Covington, GA Age: 45 Posts: 14,844 Drives: Waiting on next Z Rep Power: 221	Great Shot Courtesy Of Chad from Forged Performance Here's a pic taken at Forged last week. I know some of you guys are awaitng pics of my roll cage. They will be posted tomorrow after I pick up the car. __________________ Last edited by SPOHN; 02-05-2012 at 08:25 AM.

02-05-2012, 08:21 AM	#417 (permalink)
onzedge A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Battle Lake MN Age: 63 Posts: 183,964 Drives: 370Z 240Z Rep Power: 2684736	Nice shot. ^^^ __________________ Koni\|Swift\|Michelin\|Motordyne\|Berk\|RJM Performance\|Gates\|SPL\|Motul\|Technafit\|Ate Super Blue\|Hawk Tommy Kaira\|Momo\|Optima\|Hella\|Hotchkis\|Red Line\|ZSpeed\|Stillen\|B&M\|H&R

02-05-2012, 08:44 AM	#418 (permalink)
Baer383 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Lawrenceville,Ga Posts: 4,293 Drives: My foot up your azz Rep Power: 29	Looks good stig!!! Can't wait to see those seats,cage in person __________________ 2013 ZL1 754 rwhp 747 rwtq

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