The New "What did you do with your Z today" (with off topic replies) III

JARblue · 02-02-2013, 09:54 AM

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GaleForce · 02-02-2013, 10:44 AM

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onzedge · 02-02-2013, 10:51 AM

Davey · 02-02-2013, 09:40 AM

Well, I'm at the end of week 2 of no bathroom, and my patience is wearing thin with these guys.

This is the first time I've ever hired a contractor to do a big job like this and it just seems like everything they do is half-assed or wrong and then I have to tell them to fix it.

He didn't order my window so my shower area is still not tiled, in fact there are still open studs.

I'm actually considering telling them to **** off and having someone else come and do it at this point.

blackcherry20 · 02-02-2013, 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Davey

Well, I'm at the end of week 2 of no bathroom, and my patience is wearing thin with these guys.

This is the first time I've ever hired a contractor to do a big job like this and it just seems like everything they do is half-assed or wrong and then I have to tell them to fix it.

He didn't order my window so my shower area is still not tiled, in fact there are still open studs.

I'm actually considering telling them to **** off and having someone else come and do it at this point.

mr. Bc acted as our general contractor when we built our home.... O. M. G. constant attention and urging and watching and redirecting required. And you seem to be a lot like him....nothing less than perfect or its your azz.....unfortunately contractors have their own ideas.

Sorry you're having such a difficult time

Davey · 02-02-2013, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by blackcherry20

mr. Bc acted as our general contractor when we built our home.... O. M. G. constant attention and urging and watching and redirecting required. And you seem to be a lot like him....nothing less than perfect or its your azz.....unfortunately contractors have their own ideas.

Sorry you're having such a difficult time

I'm not expecting perfection... But the light switches are installed upside-down, so they say "NO" and "FFO". Is that too much to ask? I mean for crying out loud I replaced a light switch last weekend and I had the foresight to look at the switch and think "Hey, when the lever is 'up' that's "ON". It's like this guy has never wired a damned light switch or something.

They also did a crappy job of framing the recessed medicine cabinet and then shoved it into the wall and bent/broke it making it fit the not-square framing and pushed on the lathe on the other side of the wall and made a 10" crack in the plaster in my dining room.

They also didn't order the new window until the 2nd week and found out it was a special order that will take 14 days.

So yeah, I'm not expecting perfection at all, I'd just like something better than what I'm getting, which is pretty bad.

JARblue · 02-02-2013, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Davey

I'm not expecting perfection... But the light switches are installed upside-down, so they say "NO" and "FFO". Is that too much to ask? I mean for crying out loud I replaced a light switch last weekend and I had the foresight to look at the switch and think "Hey, when the lever is 'up' that's "ON". It's like this guy has never wired a damned light switch or something.

They also did a crappy job of framing the recessed medicine cabinet and then shoved it into the wall and bent/broke it making it fit the not-square framing and pushed on the lathe on the other side of the wall and made a 10" crack in the plaster in my dining room.

They also didn't order the new window until the 2nd week and found out it was a special order that will take 14 days.

So yeah, I'm not expecting perfection at all, I'd just like something better than what I'm getting, which is pretty bad.

That's pretty unacceptable. But having dealt with plenty of contractors like this one, it is in your best interest, assuming you are having them complete the work, to not be argumentative or accusatory when discussing the problems you have with their work. Try not to be passive aggressive, either; contractors get defensive very easily when you start questioning their work. But definitely don't be afraid to point out anything you aren't happy with. It really is all about the approach. Some guys want to be the smartest guy in the room, so I let them think I don't have a clue even though I know exactly what they should have done to get it right the first time - but other guys don't even want to talk with you if they think you're too stupid to know what's going on (these guys are often more reasonable in their discussions and will actually listen to you if you know what you're talking about).

The last thing you want is a pissed off contractor finishing up your renovations...

A couple of other notes, a lot of contractors want payment in full before they're done with the work - it allows them to leave the job a lot easier. You should always have a retainer (10-20% of the total is good in most cases but more is not uncommon) that is not paid until the end of the job. If they say they need more than 50% (20-30% is more likely the actual amount) for materials, call bull$hit unless you are getting major equipment like water heaters, condensing unit, furnace, or extremely expensive finishes.

blackcherry20 · 02-02-2013, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by JARblue

That's pretty unacceptable. But having dealt with plenty of contractors like this one, it is in your best interest, assuming you are having them complete the work, to not be argumentative or accusatory when discussing the problems you have with their work. Try not to be passive aggressive, either; contractors get defensive very easily when you start questioning their work. But definitely don't be afraid to point out anything you aren't happy with. It really is all about the approach. Some guys want to be the smartest guy in the room, so I let them think I don't have a clue even though I know exactly what they should have done to get it right the first time - but other guys don't even want to talk with you if they think you're too stupid to know what's going on (these guys are often more reasonable in their discussions and will actually listen to you if you know what you're talking about).

The last thing you want is a pissed off contractor finishing up your renovations...

A couple of other notes, a lot of contractors want payment in full before they're done with the work - it allows them to leave the job a lot easier. You should always have a retainer (10-20% of the total is good in most cases but more is not uncommon) that is not paid until the end of the job. If they say they need more than 50% (20-30% is more likely the actual amount) for materials, call bull$hit unless you are getting major equipment like water heaters, condensing unit, furnace, or extremely expensive finishes.

well said Jar

blackcherry20 · 02-02-2013, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Davey

I'm not expecting perfection... But the light switches are installed upside-down, so they say "NO" and "FFO". Is that too much to ask? I mean for crying out loud I replaced a light switch last weekend and I had the foresight to look at the switch and think "Hey, when the lever is 'up' that's "ON". It's like this guy has never wired a damned light switch or something.

They also did a crappy job of framing the recessed medicine cabinet and then shoved it into the wall and bent/broke it making it fit the not-square framing and pushed on the lathe on the other side of the wall and made a 10" crack in the plaster in my dining room.

They also didn't order the new window until the 2nd week and found out it was a special order that will take 14 days.

So yeah, I'm not expecting perfection at all, I'd just like something better than what I'm getting, which is pretty bad.

it sucks.

happytheman · 02-02-2013, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Davey

I'm not expecting perfection... But the light switches are installed upside-down, so they say "NO" and "FFO". Is that too much to ask? I mean for crying out loud I replaced a light switch last weekend and I had the foresight to look at the switch and think "Hey, when the lever is 'up' that's "ON". It's like this guy has never wired a damned light switch or something.

They also did a crappy job of framing the recessed medicine cabinet and then shoved it into the wall and bent/broke it making it fit the not-square framing and pushed on the lathe on the other side of the wall and made a 10" crack in the plaster in my dining room.

They also didn't order the new window until the 2nd week and found out it was a special order that will take 14 days.

So yeah, I'm not expecting perfection at all, I'd just like something better than what I'm getting, which is pretty bad.

Damn dude.

Sorry to hear of the crapstorm you're going through.

JARblue · 02-02-2013, 09:46 AM

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So how about them (insert your favorite sports team here)? Think they're going to do it this season?

Texas Longhorns? Their football and basketball teams suck! Though we did win the NC in Women's Volleyball

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Originally Posted by Davey

Well, I'm at the end of week 2 of no bathroom, and my patience is wearing thin with these guys.

This is the first time I've ever hired a contractor to do a big job like this and it just seems like everything they do is half-assed or wrong and then I have to tell them to fix it.

He didn't order my window so my shower area is still not tiled, in fact there are still open studs.

I'm actually considering telling them to **** off and having someone else come and do it at this point.

So sorry to hear, Davey! I hate contractors like that

and I really hope you get everything done to your satisfaction. Once it's over you can forget the whole mess, until you need to hire a contractor for another project

I consider myself lucky that I have a go to guy when I get in over my head in renovations. He's actually going to do some exterior siding and trim work for me (main reason is I don't have a vehicle to transport materials

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Fire · 02-02-2013, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Davey

Well, I'm at the end of week 2 of no bathroom, and my patience is wearing thin with these guys.

This is the first time I've ever hired a contractor to do a big job like this and it just seems like everything they do is half-assed or wrong and then I have to tell them to fix it.

He didn't order my window so my shower area is still not tiled, in fact there are still open studs.

I'm actually considering telling them to **** off and having someone else come and do it at this point.

That sux Davey. Seems like it is the norm rather than the exception though

Fire · 02-02-2013, 09:50 AM

Nope no brothers vs brother, father vs son as coaches in a super bowl.

Nismo89 · 02-02-2013, 11:23 AM

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Nope no brothers vs brother, father vs son as coaches in a super bowl.

yup, this is THE 1st time in ANY sports I believe where its 2 brothers ... facing off as Head Coaches

Isamu · 02-02-2013, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Davey

Well, I'm at the end of week 2 of no bathroom, and my patience is wearing thin with these guys.

This is the first time I've ever hired a contractor to do a big job like this and it just seems like everything they do is half-assed or wrong and then I have to tell them to fix it.

He didn't order my window so my shower area is still not tiled, in fact there are still open studs.

I'm actually considering telling them to **** off and having someone else come and do it at this point.

angie's list..
its sucky man.. hopefully they finish it up, and give you a break for the crappy labor they did

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Davey A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Indiana Posts: 3,766 Drives: '15 NISMO 6MT Rep Power: 117172	Well, I'm at the end of week 2 of no bathroom, and my patience is wearing thin with these guys. This is the first time I've ever hired a contractor to do a big job like this and it just seems like everything they do is half-assed or wrong and then I have to tell them to fix it. He didn't order my window so my shower area is still not tiled, in fact there are still open studs. I'm actually considering telling them to **** off and having someone else come and do it at this point.