Anyone here into firearms?

Rusty · 11-29-2021, 05:53 PM

I don't know anything about the case. But talking with some state troopers years ago. In something like you descripted. Your size matters. You're a little guy with the gun, and he's a big guy charging you. It's easier for you to claim self-defense. Reverse that and it becomes somewhat more muddle. But if he has something in his hand and ready to strike you. It becomes a lot easier.

VABAM · 11-29-2021, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Rusty

I don't know anything about the case. But talking with some state troopers years ago. In something like you descripted. Your size matters. You're a little guy with the gun, and he's a big guy charging you. It's easier for you to claim self-defense. Reverse that and it becomes somewhat more muddle. But if he has something in his hand and ready to strike you. It becomes a lot easier.

Video of the shooting:
https://twitter.com/WarPath2pt0/stat...09493512077312

Rusty · 11-29-2021, 06:12 PM

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Video of the shooting:
https://twitter.com/WarPath2pt0/stat...09493512077312

I don't know the exact law is there. But my guess he's going to jail. Just chest bumping, no contact with fists, feet or objects in hand.

VABAM · 11-29-2021, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Rusty

I don't know anything about the case. But talking with some state troopers years ago. In something like you descripted. Your size matters. You're a little guy with the gun, and he's a big guy charging you. It's easier for you to claim self-defense. Reverse that and it becomes somewhat more muddle. But if he has something in his hand and ready to strike you. It becomes a lot easier.

Texas has some looser laws when it comes to self defense on one’s property and more importantly in one’s house. That’s why I brought up the porch and that it is considered part of the house in Texas law. Legally, Read entered Carruth’s house when he approached Carruth on the porch. When Read flung Carruth off the porch he was basically kicking Carruth out of his house, legally. If you read Texas law Carruth was legal with in the letter of the law. Doesn’t mean I like it and question Carruth motives in this situation. I feel there is more to this that the public doesn’t know but the impression I’m getting is Carruth probably will not get charged and even if he does no jury in that part of Texas will convict him.

redondoaveb · 11-29-2021, 06:41 PM

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Texas has some looser laws when it comes to self defense on one’s property and more importantly in one’s house. That’s why I brought up the porch and that it is considered part of the house in Texas law. Legally, Read entered Carruth’s house when he approached Carruth on the porch. When Read flung Carruth off the porch he was basically kicking Carruth out of his house, legally. If you read Texas law Carruth was legal with in the letter of the law. Doesn’t mean I like it and question Carruth motives in this situation. I feel there is more to this that the public doesn’t know but the impression I’m getting is Carruth probably will not get charged and even if he does no jury in that part of Texas will convict him.

I watched the video. I agree with the self defense part of it. The only iffy part is that Carruth didn't turn and shoot in one motion after being thrown off the porch and Read didn't come after him after he threw him. Carruth actually hesitated and took aim before pulling the trigger. But I'm sure I would have done the same thing. Heat of the moment.

VABAM · 11-29-2021, 06:58 PM

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I watched the video. I agree with the self defense part of it. The only iffy part is that Carruth didn't turn and shoot in one motion after being thrown off the porch and Read didn't come after him after he threw him. Carruth actually hesitated and took aim before pulling the trigger. But I'm sure I would have done the same thing. Heat of the moment.

Supposedly Read was taking a step towards Carruth when he shot him. Carruth hesitating, the “warning” shot, him getting a gun when Read wasn’t being violent, them standing casually after the shooting, while legal makes the situation feel slimy.

redondoaveb · 11-29-2021, 07:20 PM

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Supposedly Read was taking a step towards Carruth when he shot him. Carruth hesitating, the “warning” shot, him getting a gun when Read wasn’t being violent, them standing casually after the shooting, while legal makes the situation feel slimy.

They were probably 8 to10' apart when Carruth took the shot. I agree, all of what you say is exactly how it played out in the video making it look real slimy.

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