Anyone here into firearms?

MacCool · 10-25-2014, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Meulen

Getting closer to buying a new piece to conceal. Having a hard time deciding between Springfield XDs, Kahr P9, and M&P shield. I've got a guy that built my AR leaning me toward the M&P and doing a trigger job on it. Kinda worried about doing that for a concealed piece though, given the legal issues.

Trigger jobs on carry guns are fine. From a safety standpoint, it might be a good idea to not get the trigger pull too light, but a 6 lb trigger with a nice crisp break make for a nice shooting pistol that is completely safe. The "legality" issues are a non-factor according to my buddy, who is the county attorney. On an M&P, an Apex ultimate striker block and machined sear will really clean up that trigger. Doesn't necessarily change the trigger pull unless you leave the original return spring.

If you're looking for a full size pistol with a great trigger out of the box, clearly the leaders in that pack are the Walther PPQ and the HK VP9. My preference is the VP9, but it's about a horse apiece comparing it to the PPQ. Both are truly exceptional pistols and IMHO both have better triggers than even an M&P with trigger upgrade (although the FSS does come close). Somewhere along the way, I developed a substantially negative attitude toward the Xd's. I've seen too many reliability issues and ammo "finnickyness". I had a Glock 19, but it was a piece of crap (unreliable ejection and super-creepy trigger). I fixed it with an Apex FRE and newer ejector, then dumped it. I'll never fall for the Glock trap again.

My personal preference for carry is a Walther PPS. Small and slim, shoots like a full-size. I looked hard at the M&P Shield, but at the time they only made it with a manual safety, which I absolutely did not want. Now, they have a Shield version without the safety and that might be worth a look. Apex makes trigger improvement kits for the Shield too, although I've never shot one with an upgraded trigger. I did look at Kahr and put several boxes through my buddy's PM9, but it was expensive for what it is, and I didn't want to have to go through what he went through to get it to be reliable.

If you're going to carry a gun, don't be one of those guys that takes your state's permit-to-carry course and stops there thinking that you're now qualified to use a pistol to defend your life. Please keep moving on and take some defensive pistol classes as well.

Zoren 370 · 10-25-2014, 09:34 AM

^ same with taking defensive/evasive driving course. It will save your life.

RBfastback · 10-25-2014, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by MacCool

If you're going to carry a gun, don't be one of those guys that takes your state's permit-to-carry course and stops there thinking that you're now qualified to use a pistol to defend your life. Please keep moving on and take some defensive pistol classes as well.

this for sure^^^whatever u get just practice a lot an take classes

UNKNOWN_370 · 10-25-2014, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by MacCool

Trigger jobs on carry guns are fine. From a safety standpoint, it might be a good idea to not get the trigger pull too light, but a 6 lb trigger with a nice crisp break make for a nice shooting pistol that is completely safe. The "legality" issues are a non-factor according to my buddy, who is the county attorney. On an M&P, an Apex ultimate striker block and machined sear will really clean up that trigger. Doesn't necessarily change the trigger pull unless you leave the original return spring.

If you're looking for a full size pistol with a great trigger out of the box, clearly the leaders in that pack are the Walther PPQ and the HK VP9. My preference is the VP9, but it's about a horse apiece comparing it to the PPQ. Both are truly exceptional pistols and IMHO both have better triggers than even an M&P with trigger upgrade (although the FSS does come close). Somewhere along the way, I developed a substantially negative attitude toward the Xd's. I've seen too many reliability issues and ammo "finnickyness". I had a Glock 19, but it was a piece of crap (unreliable ejection and super-creepy trigger). I fixed it with an Apex FRE and newer ejector, then dumped it. I'll never fall for the Glock trap again.

My personal preference for carry is a Walther PPS. Small and slim, shoots like a full-size. I looked hard at the M&P Shield, but at the time they only made it with a manual safety, which I absolutely did not want. Now, they have a Shield version without the safety and that might be worth a look. Apex makes trigger improvement kits for the Shield too, although I've never shot one with an upgraded trigger. I did look at Kahr and put several boxes through my buddy's PM9, but it was expensive for what it is, and I didn't want to have to go through what he went through to get it to be reliable.

If you're going to carry a gun, don't be one of those guys that takes your state's permit-to-carry course and stops there thinking that you're now qualified to use a pistol to defend your life. Please keep moving on and take some defensive pistol classes as well.

I'm actually buying both these pistols for x mas. Addingbthem to my collection of 9mm. I never liked the Glocks or any of it's imitators till these two. Since I can't choose. I'm getting both.

travisjb · 10-26-2014, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by MacCool

If you're looking for a full size pistol with a great trigger out of the box, clearly the leaders in that pack are the Walther PPQ and the HK VP9. My preference is the VP9...

Just got back from the range - trying to finalize my decision... didn't like the glock so much, really liked the PPQ. For whatever reason I was just a lot more accurate with it. Then the guy working at the range let me borrow his new VP9! Sweet! That's the one for me. Trigger was as you described and I was able to fire it accurately, just behind the PPQ. Next stop, NC permit, then I'm going to try and pick one up on holiday special.

MacCool · 10-26-2014, 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by travisjb

Just got back from the range - trying to finalize my decision... didn't like the glock so much, really liked the PPQ. For whatever reason I was just a lot more accurate with it. Then the guy working at the range let me borrow his new VP9! Sweet! That's the one for me. Trigger was as you described and I was able to fire it accurately, just behind the PPQ. Next stop, NC permit, then I'm going to try and pick one up on holiday special.

Next to the PPQ and the VP9, the Glock G19/17 is a pretty sad puppy.

10-25-2014, 09:34 AM	#2 (permalink)
Zoren 370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: FL Posts: 11,018 Drives: 11 Nissan 370 M6 Rep Power: 1913654	^ same with taking defensive/evasive driving course. It will save your life.