Anyone here into firearms?

BlackZeda · 01-12-2012, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by MacCool

I have a shooting buddy that markets his own company's brand of gas piston AR's....the Huldra (Fleet Farm) is an upscale gas piston AR15 using Adams Arms gas system. It's a nice rifle, accurate and reliable, but about 30% more than a similar DI version and I just don't see the advantage.

I checked out that site and wandered into the uppers section and noticed they have a full upper for $545. My first thought was "that's a pretty good deal". Then I checked out other gas-piston complete upper offerings from other manufacturers; a Bushmaster goes for around $1100 and a LWRC is almost $2000...Just for the upper! I have read the this about 5 times now thinking "what's the catch"?:

Huldra » Uppers » Huldra 5.56x45 Mid-Length Complete Upper

If that is indeed a full gas-piston upper, it is cheap enough just to give it a try at some point!

As far as the advantage of a gas-piston AR system, I recalled some study the military performed comparing the M4 to newer gas-piston rifles:

Newer carbines outperform M4 in dust test - Army News | News from Afghanistan & Iraq - Army Times

I tend to agree with you...big whoop. There really isn't a chance that I will be getting rid of my Bushmasters even though some people want to convince me that they are going to blow up and take out anyone withing a 50ft. radius the next shot I take with them. To me it is all about maintenance and what gun you have in your hands. All my ARs have FailZero BCGs and even before that I don't recall a single stoppage.

On the other hand I love my H&K pistols, so that MR556 is something I might consider if I have an extra 6 grand to blow (I would have to buy two...one for shooting and the other one for parts). But since I have this thing called a Z guns have taken a passenger seat to guns for the near future.

Speaking of gas-piston ARs....I watch this goofy show "Sons of Guns" where the last episode they were designing a revolutionary AR that was as dependable as an AK for the DOE. Yes they milled out their own receivers, but it looks like they just ordered a gas-piston from another manufacturer. It's like they don't expect gun-nuts to know that the H&K 416 or ACR or SCAR have been out for awhile now.

With that being said, I am anxiously anticipating an email from Rainier Arms letting me know that my Noveske matched upper and lower are ready for me to buy!

MacCool · 01-12-2012, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackZeda

Speaking of gas-piston ARs....I watch this goofy show "Sons of Guns" where the last episode they were designing a revolutionary AR that was as dependable as an AK for the DOE. Yes they milled out their own receivers, but it looks like they just ordered a gas-piston from another manufacturer. It's like they don't expect gun-nuts to know that the H&K 416 or ACR or SCAR have been out for awhile now.

To call "Sons of Guns" a "goofy show" is being excessively kind, IMHO.

tvfreakazoid · 01-13-2012, 02:46 AM

They should of thrown in the AK as well. It would of been nice to know how it would of done against the AR's.

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Originally Posted by BlackZeda

I checked out that site and wandered into the uppers section and noticed they have a full upper for $545. My first thought was "that's a pretty good deal". Then I checked out other gas-piston complete upper offerings from other manufacturers; a Bushmaster goes for around $1100 and a LWRC is almost $2000...Just for the upper! I have read the this about 5 times now thinking "what's the catch"?:

Huldra » Uppers » Huldra 5.56x45 Mid-Length Complete Upper

If that is indeed a full gas-piston upper, it is cheap enough just to give it a try at some point!

As far as the advantage of a gas-piston AR system, I recalled some study the military performed comparing the M4 to newer gas-piston rifles:

Newer carbines outperform M4 in dust test - Army News | News from Afghanistan & Iraq - Army Times

I tend to agree with you...big whoop. There really isn't a chance that I will be getting rid of my Bushmasters even though some people want to convince me that they are going to blow up and take out anyone withing a 50ft. radius the next shot I take with them. To me it is all about maintenance and what gun you have in your hands. All my ARs have FailZero BCGs and even before that I don't recall a single stoppage.

On the other hand I love my H&K pistols, so that MR556 is something I might consider if I have an extra 6 grand to blow (I would have to buy two...one for shooting and the other one for parts). But since I have this thing called a Z guns have taken a passenger seat to guns for the near future.

Speaking of gas-piston ARs....I watch this goofy show "Sons of Guns" where the last episode they were designing a revolutionary AR that was as dependable as an AK for the DOE. Yes they milled out their own receivers, but it looks like they just ordered a gas-piston from another manufacturer. It's like they don't expect gun-nuts to know that the H&K 416 or ACR or SCAR have been out for awhile now.

With that being said, I am anxiously anticipating an email from Rainier Arms letting me know that my Noveske matched upper and lower are ready for me to buy!

tvfreakazoid · 01-13-2012, 02:58 AM

Ok here is my small collections of guns. The sks i had since i was about 18yrs old and the AR is new and the AR style .22LR is about 5 months old and the pistols are about 3 months old. I had a browning Hi-power, but it was stolen about 3 or 4yrs ago. I got that when i was about 21yrs old. I miss it.

I really want an AK for my next rifle. But the arsenal AK's are way over priced, the century is crap or unless you get lucky and get a decent one. Building my own i can't cause well i don't have tools and wouldn't know how to begin. Getting parts would be a mish mash of god knows what and quality you would get. And i wouldn't know how well it would stack up against an Arsenal build. Well that's my dilemma on my Ak issue. =(

I also noticed that the barrel thickness between my XDm and the glock. I wonder if that makes any difference in durability. The little crap on the side of the barrel of my XDm is probably froglube.

MacCool · 01-13-2012, 07:45 AM

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Originally Posted by tvfreakazoid

I also noticed that the barrel thickness between my XDm and the glock. I wonder if that makes any difference in durability. The little crap on the side of the barrel of my XDm is probably froglube.

Wow! That's a telling picture. I would think that a heavier barrel would be more robust. I can't say whether the Glock is overly strong or the XDm is overly weak, but I haven't heard of any significant number of XDm barrel failures, so in practical terms I'm guessing that it probably doesn't matter much.

Glocks are known to be pretty well built. I know a lot of bomb squad deputies that have run hundreds of rounds of the surplus POF 9mm submachine gun ammo through their Glocks. No barrel problems, no slide cracking.

wstar · 01-13-2012, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by MacCool

Glocks are known to be pretty well built.

Understatement of the year

Glock 21 Torture Test - Theprepared.com

BlackZeda · 01-13-2012, 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by tvfreakazoid

They should of thrown in the AK as well. It would of been nice to know how it would of done against the AR's.

I would think the AK would fare pretty well actually. Too bad they didn't include it in the testing.

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tvfreakazoid A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: kommie kali Posts: 1,238 Drives: 2015 Audi S5; 6spd. Rep Power: 10325	The family! Ok here is my small collections of guns. The sks i had since i was about 18yrs old and the AR is new and the AR style .22LR is about 5 months old and the pistols are about 3 months old. I had a browning Hi-power, but it was stolen about 3 or 4yrs ago. I got that when i was about 21yrs old. I miss it. I really want an AK for my next rifle. But the arsenal AK's are way over priced, the century is crap or unless you get lucky and get a decent one. Building my own i can't cause well i don't have tools and wouldn't know how to begin. Getting parts would be a mish mash of god knows what and quality you would get. And i wouldn't know how well it would stack up against an Arsenal build. Well that's my dilemma on my Ak issue. =( I also noticed that the barrel thickness between my XDm and the glock. I wonder if that makes any difference in durability. The little crap on the side of the barrel of my XDm is probably froglube. __________________ Mudders milk Last edited by tvfreakazoid; 01-13-2012 at 03:05 AM.