Anyone here into firearms?

ImportConvert · 01-01-2012, 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by nuTinmuch

Higher stakes than 3-ton automobiles being tossed at each other?

Mentally, yes. People fear being shot more than having their car rammed.

MacCool · 12-29-2011, 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by wstar

Correlation != Causation regardless. Just about any time you see a statistical correlation used in an argument (especially in the news), there's no proof of causal link. It could as easily be that lower crime rates paradoxically cause an increase in the sales of guns by some social/psychological effect nobody's thought of. Or it could be that the average temperature rose 0.03 degrees during that timeframe, and rising temperatures cause both a drop in crime and an independent increase in gun sales. Or it could be random chance.

There are many more sound arguments for gun ownership than dubious crime stats correlations.

It's true that there's no proof of causation. The 47% decrease in violent crime rate since 1991 might be related to other factors than the 90 million increase in guns owned during that same period. No way to know.

OTOH, what we have NOT seen in an increase in violent crime associated with increased gun ownership, including over the last 8 years for so as states have had massive increases in handgun carry permits issued.

tvfreakazoid · 01-01-2012, 05:17 AM

I read in the paper today that police officers killed with guns increased compared to last year. Not by much. I thought i throw that out there.

SgtGoldy · 01-01-2012, 07:11 AM

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Originally Posted by tvfreakazoid

I read in the paper today that police officers killed with guns increased compared to last year. Not by much. I thought i throw that out there.

*sigh* sad thing to hear...

MacCool · 01-01-2012, 07:25 AM

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Originally Posted by tvfreakazoid

I read in the paper today that police officers killed with guns increased compared to last year. Not by much. I thought i throw that out there.

Yes. Would gun control have prevented that increase? Does that increase have anything to do with the increase in the number of concealed/carry permits across the US?

m4a1mustang · 01-01-2012, 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by MacCool

Yes. Would gun control have prevented that increase? Does that increase have anything to do with the increase in the number of concealed/carry permits across the US?

Whether gun control has anything to do with that at all the media will likely spin it against us... there's no one to stop them from doing so.

Do you remember that story ABC News did years ago to discredit concealed carry? They argued it was dangerous because it put guns in the hands of inexperienced people. To prove it, they took a sample of college students and set them up to fail. Tried to teach them to shoot in less than a day, then gave them a holster and a blank firing pistol and had them sit in class. They then would send a "gunman" into the classroom and watch as the kids 1) took forever to figure out what was going on and 2) fumbled around all of their crap to draw their pistol.

It was laughable to people like us that actually have a clue... but unfortunately they can pull those stunts off because the majority of the uninformed public is... well... uninformed and gullible.

BlackZeda · 01-01-2012, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by tvfreakazoid

I read in the paper today that police officers killed with guns increased compared to last year. Not by much. I thought i throw that out there.

It is important to keep in mind that the main customer of the police is the public, and to be specific the subset of the public that would tend to be more willing to use their weapon against them.

m4a1mustang · 01-02-2012, 12:04 PM

Hey BZ, I replied to your PM. I don't own the P2000SK but I have some experience with it and really like it. If I didn't like my Glock 26 so much I might have bought one of those. Unfortunately I don't have any experience with the P30 so I can't compare.

m4a1mustang · 01-03-2012, 07:40 PM

Very nice! Congrats.

semtex · 01-04-2012, 10:34 AM

FWIW I've had other HKs and they all performed flawlessly. One of my favorites was a .40 cal P2000 SK (LEM). Great little gun.

m4a1mustang · 01-04-2012, 10:35 AM

You guys are making me want one now.

semtex · 01-04-2012, 10:49 AM

I miss my Kimber.

BlackZeda · 01-04-2012, 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by semtex

I miss my Kimber.

What caliber is that? I was looking at Colt and Kimber 1911s...how does one choose?

semtex · 01-04-2012, 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackZeda

What caliber is that? I was looking at Colt and Kimber 1911s...how does one choose?

.45 How to choose? Depends on your intended use. If you intend to use it for carry, I'd recommend Kimber as most of their models have frames machined from aluminum, which means less weight. I've been through a lot of Kimbers. The one I have pictured was my all-time favorite. It's the Ultra Covert II.

BlackZeda · 02-04-2012, 02:20 PM

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I miss my Kimber.

Semtex had a nice 1911. I am not sure if this was a 9mm or .45, but I know they make these in both.

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semtex A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Behind enemy lines Age: 54 Posts: 5,995 Drives: People to drink Rep Power: 33	FWIW I've had other HKs and they all performed flawlessly. One of my favorites was a .40 cal P2000 SK (LEM). Great little gun. __________________ "There are no small accidents on this circuit." -- Ayrton Senna 316.8whp & 248 ft/lbs (Dyno Dynamics) \| 319whp & 256 ft/lbs (DynoJet) (04/23/10) Stillen G3 CAI, CBE, Pulley / F.I. LTH / GTSpec Ladder Brace / Setrab Oil Cooler / UpRev-tuned by Forged Perf.

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01-04-2012, 10:49 AM	#12 (permalink)
semtex A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Behind enemy lines Age: 54 Posts: 5,995 Drives: People to drink Rep Power: 33	I miss my Kimber. __________________ "There are no small accidents on this circuit." -- Ayrton Senna 316.8whp & 248 ft/lbs (Dyno Dynamics) \| 319whp & 256 ft/lbs (DynoJet) (04/23/10) Stillen G3 CAI, CBE, Pulley / F.I. LTH / GTSpec Ladder Brace / Setrab Oil Cooler / UpRev-tuned by Forged Perf.