Nice setup you have! I dunno, man, I simply do everything with a "divorce is likely if marriage occurs" mindset, both in little and small things, and it all adds up to a life that is pretty secure and well thought out.

If you get a suppressor, you will get an SBR. All it will take is wielding a 21" carbine (length to 16.1" with suppressor added) to make you buy a 10.5-11.5" SBR.

I'd be using them on pistols. I don't really get to use my AR much.

Yes to the first question, no to the second.

I believe you described this issue with the HK45C earlier in the thread, so I scoured the interwebs for other reports of it, which I came up with nothing. So when you described it again I came up with the theory that it could be a faulty dec0cker or something in the safety assembly. After looking into it the HK45C has the same dec0cker as the USP so I searched again and indeed a 1911 shooter described the same problem as you experienced. But if you don't ride the safety lever then it isn't the cause. Maybe H&K had some faulty dec0ckers or had improperly assembled them...

Anyhow I can't imagine the SEALs would adopt the pistol if that were a common problem, so I still will go ahead and purchase it here soon and let you all know if I run into any issues. Thanks for the information Semtex!

I like how the forum works together. :tup:

Anywho, buying my mother a cheap AR for her bday and pretty much set on the M&P 15 Sport for her.

Where do you guys shoot AR! What size ammo? The large one (? Cant remember rond size) sounds like a cannon going off. To me anyway!

I'm in wisconsin, brother. the whole state is a range.

::tup::happydance:
:Will your mom be shooting the big rounds? I have only shot the 22, gun is way heavy for me ....just shoot my fav 22 long gun. Leave the AR shooting to hubby, preferably when i am not home.

It really is, almost! :tiphat:

Funny Story to just give everyone a taste

I remember driving up to one guys house for a private shoot outside of Beaver Dam, WI and he is sitting in a chair in front of his Bentley as I walk up :eek:

So, i'm like "where are we gonna be shooting?" He points and I turn around and abou2 25 yds off of his driveway is this bullet catcher behind a target he had built. :ughdance:

Yes, I should mention that I bought mine when it first came out. As in, I bought the first one my gun shop sold. They told me they just got it in 3 days before I bought it. So it's definitely possible that there were some early production issues. I hope so anyway. It's very uncharacteristic for HKs to have issues like this, and overall my esteem for HK hasn't been diminished in the least. Your question was a fair one. Thing is, I've had other HK pistols with decocking safeties and haven't run into this. If I were accidentally decocking you'd think it'd happen on other HK models too right? *shrug* Anyway, assuming you don't experience the same issue, I think you're going to absolutely love the 45C. It is an incredibly smooth pistol, a real gem of a gun!

I wish I had land to shoot on. All I'd do is shoot and reload.

+1
i want to be like hickok45 on youtube when i get old haha

I want to be like FPS Russia on YouTube.

I feel your pain. Moving to Fayetteville, AR to remedy that, myself. Pretty roads to drive, lower crime by far from where I am, and better gun laws, and $1500/acre land that is very nice to build on.

Agreed. He's awesome

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Another story that won't land on the front page:

Armed bystander stops stabbing outside school|WOAI: San Antonio News

Kinda like that shooting at the Family Research Council. Did you notice there were no calls for more gun control or calling it a hate crime in the media when the shooting victims were conservatives?

:facepalm::shakes head:

I guess we all have different assessments of the risks in our lives. Regarding divorce, we've been married for 30 years, and even if divorce were to become likely, the personalities involved are such that vicious contention over the firearms is pretty far down the scale of things I'd worry about. YMMV.

Again... I'm not in here often but, anyone else using Winchester's newest PDX-1 Defender ammo? I've used, and keep in my Benelli M4 their 12-gauge Slug/00 Buck. Looking to order their new Segmenting 1 oz. Slug. Curious how there other calibers fair.

Winchester PDX-1 Defender Personal Defense Ammunition.m4v - YouTube

I trust relationship partners about as much as I trust a cheap gas-station condom. Women lie, cheat, and steal. The less risk you can allow them to present, the better.

I have some of their slugs, never shot them, though. I figure I will just stick with buckshot, or Brenneke's. A cheap Foster slug at high velocity fragments, anyway (Winchester 1700fps Power Point, in specific, frags when I shoot anything with it at <25 yards).

My M1014 LOVES! Winchester Ranger buckshot.

Gag? Link to story? Any more data?

Our respective experiences and views on the subject appear to be quite different.

Apparently so. I work around women all the time (critical care nurse), and I get to see the crap they pull. Why should I have a wife of my own when I can borrow yours, so to speak? You can get the bitching and do the buying and I'll take care of the bangin'!

I don't screw around with my married co-workers, but I've gotten plenty of open invitations to do so.

I know how they think and how that works and how naive their husbands are to think otherwise (or are they just cool with it and turn a blind eye?)

Personally, I am NOT naive (I used to be), and I am not going to turn a blind eye on someone who could hurt me with their actions (STD's, kids that aren't mine, etc.)

YMMV.

FWIW, I have yet to meet a man that says "Yeah, she's screwing around on me."
Nope. It's always "My wife wouldn't do that/isn't doing that."
There are no guilty people in prison, so to speak. If everyone's spouse were as faithful as they thought, I wouldn't have any offers, lol.

Lets keep this on topic. ;)

Grip-pod? or dedicated foregrip and dedicated bipod? Yay, back on topic :)

personal preference. You can tac out your AR all you want but then some dude with a stock 6920 will come and own you.

honestly, i think a combo of an AFG and a dedicated bipod is my personal preference. i just love the AFG and of course I love a bipod for when i do a crap ton of prone shooting.

As to being owned, the shooter is more important and I'm confident in my abilities, but most competition shooters will outshoot me monday to friday. I plink and hunt.:tiphat:

Yep, need to fix the software issue, too.
That's what I'm working on, now, myself.

I think the grip-pod is a pretty heavy piece of kit. Just get a bipod. The chicken-choker hold is out-dated.


It came about because of 7" carbine rails + PEQ + a light + a BUIS = not much room for a hand.

It was a darn good solution to making space!

The problem is that it is below the bore axis, and this makes your movement of the weapon much slower, using it.

I still use a VFG, but it's a LaRue QD VFG and gets used more as a "hand-stop" than an actual VFG. It's small, and the contour of it near the rail, I like. I tried others and they didn't feel as nice when used this way. This is not me, but this is how I use mine:
http://images44.fotki.com/v1467/phot...MG_3155-vi.jpg


This is what the "Chicken Choker" deal is all about, and you can see why it used to be the way it was done:

The light/PEQ2 need to be in front of the hand so that they can be used, and they take up rail space. There is no-longer a place for this man to grip the weapon near the front, or on the rail at all. The alternative is the VFG, or mag-well grip.
http://d1.static.dvidshub.net/media/...524858_q75.jpg

So what do we now see civilians doing?
http://i.ytimg.com/vi/A4g5IGwHGAQ/0.jpg

He has no light. He has no PEQ. He just saw someone doing that on Fox News or the internet and figured he would mount his VFG as close to himself as possible and hold it like a broom-handle. Never mind that this kills his leverage to move the muzzle of the carbine in a rapid and controlled manner. Never mind that it places his hand far below the central axis of the weapon which gives up even MORE leverage---HE SAW A SEAL DO IT, AND HE CAN BE A BADASS, TOO!

And then we got mag-well grips and all sorts of stupid crap that separates people from their money and hurts their multiple target engagement times, etc.

But if we look at how people like Kyle Defoor and Mike Pannone are doing it...
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_1SUWtQ-SXv...1600/kd-04.jpg
http://i846.photobucket.com/albums/a.../Coldiron2.jpg

But maybe you're not all about "being tacticool". You just want to win some 3-gun matches or improve on the range, and could care less about a light, PEQ, etc. Well...here is what the "gamers" are doing...

http://ts2.mm.bing.net/images/thumbn...3a6b39c0ee284f
http://www.jprifles.com/document_images/88.jpg


A trend emerges...hand as close to the muzzle as possible, thumb over bore.

This gives a LOT! more control than...hand as close to shooter as possible and as far below bore as possible. Try it. You might throw your VFG up for sale...unless you have a light and a PEQ and...

...or like me, you enjoy using it as a hand-stop, to support the weapon when it's not being aimed/fired, or for other viable reasons.

Either way, the grip-pod is a POS in my opinion. There are much better bipods, and there are much more useful VFG's.


My .02...

I cannot stop being butthurt over how many stupid purchases I made in the past because "I saw a SEAL do it" and "It looks cool" and other nonsense. Now that I have some intelligent, mission-driven knowledge being sent my way, I am trying to help prevent others from a similar butthurt experience when they bring their "Tac'ed out" carbine to a course and discover that their lay-out is slow, stupid, and works only for pictures in their mother's basement. I still have not completely figured out how I am going to end up setting my stuff up, but I have changed a lot of things. I suspect (and hope that) my personal evolution will continue.

My evolution went something like this:

Big, heavy incan light = bad. LED = good.

ACOG = crappy CQ optic, survivalist-nut obsession over lack of batteries is stupid, stada lines matched only to M855 are usable only for range estimation. Aimpoint/Eotech = all you need for a defense weapon, and general use out to 200 yards, easily!

More rail = more leverage!

This is similar to how I was planning to start off years ago, although I never completed the build, so this picture is not mine, but what I planned:
http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:A...Gx_4b_9tEw&t=1
It would have been horrible for almost everything I would actually need a firearm for regarding self-defense.

This is a picture of a setup VERY SIMILAR to the one I am waiting on the ATF to approve for me currently:
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y158/m249saw/sbr1.jpg
Not as much rail as I would prefer, but my setup has the Switchblock, which limits that a little bit, to the benefit of a smoother cycling weapon with a lot less fouling. The trade-off was worth it, as I LOVE! the SB on my 14.5" carbine. It makes suppressed fire much nicer. It will be much better for use at contact-200 yards, won't blow my ears out, and will only feel like a 14-15" barrel even with my suppressor attached. Will keep muzzle-flash from blinding me in my house at night, will keep my inner ears from getting all messed up if I fire it in a hall, etc. It's just an infinitely useful accessory, and the setup is so much better than the A4 clone I had planned, which would have only come into its own as a range-toy. Everything else, the SBR setup will do better at. I don't need the optic to live for decades if it sucks every day. I would rather run an RDS that is better every day, and change the battery every year on my birthday (Battery life for the T1 is something like 5-6 years on a nominal setting of 8, and batteries last 10+ years just sitting on a shelf...it's really a non-issue. If society melts down and you "can never buy them again", you've still got over a decade of premium self-defense optic. Who cares if your ACOG will be around and glowing in 15-20 if you couldn't use it inside your house to defend yourself effectively during the first few MONTHS of the crisis, or even a simple B&E if no "crisis" occurs, which is the thing most people use to leverage their opinions of a "battery-free optic", since they have given up trying to claim that Aimpoints, etc. are "fragile".)

Maybe they r just misinformed :happydance:.

So the VG is suppose to be further out???

If so, I didn't know it myself.

The way these guys hold their rifles (Kyle Defoor and Mike Pannone) works well for them, but for a south paw like me, i don't want brass hitting my arm.

The further toward the muzzle you are with your hand, the more control you will have over the weapon.

:iagree:

I remember when I tried it for the first time. I had never really thought to grip that far out but saw some discussion on it and figured I'd give it a try. There's just no comparison to the level of control you get from gripping farther forward, especially when moving from target to target quickly.

If you want to go all minimalist the Mount-N-Slot Weapon Control Mount is a great option:

http://www.the370z.com/members/black...trol-mount.jpg

With the combination of the 11" Troy/VTAC Battlerail you get a really comfortable forward grip on the weapon which in turn gives you a lot of control. The Weapon Control Mount does come in a version where you can attach it to a picatinny rail forarm:

Impact Weapons Components

It's cheap too!

When Noveske gets their monolithic Key-Mod setup completed with Vltor, I will likely be a customer...

I like monolithic uppers because they enhance bolt-life, increase accuracy, reduce zero-shift with a suppressor, etc.

The down-side is that if you damage the rail, the upper is trash.

I have the AFG2 on mine right now, but I feel like I can't mount it far enough forward to my liking (mid-length MOE handguard w/ rail). I have to play around with it some more.

magpul AFGs are amazing. Its honestly the most comfortable for me.

Thanks for the great post IC. Repped.