Anyone here into firearms?

Red__Zed · 12-21-2012, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

NRA would have been better off outright discussing gun control, why it doesn't work, and why it won't work. Present facts and statistics to support their argument. State that they will defend 2nd amendment rights. Then maybe they could go into some school security discussion.

Instead it's just going to seem like crazy white guys saying, "moar gunz!"

The NRA has been lazy for a long time, but it seems to have worked OK.

ZMan8 · 12-21-2012, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

The problem is there's no way to call it like it is without looking like a nut in sound bytes, unfortunately.
In my mind, this recent shooting was 100% a parental failure. There are no implementable "gun control" laws that would have prevented this recent tragedy.
The guns were purchased far in advance, likely by his parents. The better mental health controls everyone clamored for after the VT incident likely wouldn't have helped, since he wasn't even procuring the weapons himself (to my knowledge).

What sort of control law do you plan to enact that comes into everyone's house and takes away every 40 year old woman's handgun? Better care for folks that are emotionally imbalanced is critical in order to prevent these attacks, but that's difficult to do without infringing on rights. While it might help in some cases to actually screen the purchaser, I think it is more important to tack on liability (criminal and civil) to those who provides weapons to the mentally unstable....similar to how we treat providing weapons to felons.

Yep thats sums up my thoughts. Well said.

To add to that. Gun laws dont really apply to those looking to commit a crime. Further regulation will only hurt honest citizens. Drugs are illegal yet people find a way to get them anyway.

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m4a1mustang · 12-21-2012, 04:46 PM

The more I think about it the more I feel like the press conference today was a complete failure and more than likely weakens any future NRA effort to combat gun control legislation.

At the core of the press conference the NRA did two things:

1) They completely ignored the debate over gun control which is swallowing the nation whole at the moment

2) They attempted to deflect to and place the blame on a lack of school security using the incredibly unrealistic idea of having qualified, armed guards in schools.

Given the number of schools in the US (something on the order of 130k+) there is no way every locality will be able to afford qualified, armed security personnel for schools. I think this is an idea that will broadly be laughed at and torn apart by most. It's unfeasible.

The real issue at hand is gun control. Specifically, that gun control DOES NOT work.

The NRA should have taken this time to address the debate at hand and lay out the facts. Gun control doesn't work. It hasn't worked. And it will never work.

And explain WHY.

Explain that the vast majority (99.9999%) of gun owners are LAW ABIDING CITIZENS that only want to be able to 1) enjoy a Constitutional right, 2) engage in lawful sporting activity, and 3) have a means to defend themselves and their families.

Explain that only a small percentage (less than 5%) of firearms used in crimes were purchased legally.

Explain that a semi-automatic AR-15 "assault rifle" is no more dangerous than a standard hunting rifle or handgun, and that those that choose to inflict mass damage on soft targets would be able to do so with ANY weapon.

Explain that the Sandy Hook shooting likely would not have occurred had Nancy Lanza secured her weapons in safes so that her son could not access them.

The NRA should have urged Federal lawmakers to ensure that our EXISTING gun laws are properly enforced.

The NRA should have spent a little more time discussing mental health, and that if our mental health system was not broken (And properly integrated with background check databases) that firearms likely would not have been sold to Cho or the Aurora shooter among others.

This was a prime time for the NRA to lay out the unarguable fact that, statistically, legally purchased guns are safe and law-abiding gun owners are no threat to society.

Instead, they blew it by wasting a lot of time on a useless plan. They would have been better off staying quiet.

Red__Zed · 12-21-2012, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

The more I think about it the more I feel like the press conference today was a complete failure and more than likely weakens any future NRA effort to combat gun control legislation.

At the core of the press conference the NRA did two things:

1) They completely ignored the debate over gun control which is swallowing the nation whole at the moment

2) They attempted to deflect to and place the blame on a lack of school security using the incredibly unrealistic idea of having qualified, armed guards in schools.

Given the number of schools in the US (something on the order of 130k+) there is no way every locality will be able to afford qualified, armed security personnel for schools. I think this is an idea that will broadly be laughed at and torn apart by most. It's unfeasible.

The real issue at hand is gun control. Specifically, that gun control DOES NOT work.

The NRA should have taken this time to address the debate at hand and lay out the facts. Gun control doesn't work. It hasn't worked. And it will never work.

And explain WHY.

Explain that the vast majority (99.9999%) of gun owners are LAW ABIDING CITIZENS that only want to be able to 1) enjoy a Constitutional right, 2) engage in lawful sporting activity, and 3) have a means to defend themselves and their families.

Explain that only a small percentage (less than 5%) of firearms used in crimes were purchased legally.

Explain that a semi-automatic AR-15 "assault rifle" is no more dangerous than a standard hunting rifle or handgun, and that those that choose to inflict mass damage on soft targets would be able to do so with ANY weapon.

Explain that the Sandy Hook shooting likely would not have occurred had Nancy Lanza secured her weapons in safes so that her son could not access them.

The NRA should have urged Federal lawmakers to ensure that our EXISTING gun laws are properly enforced.

The NRA should have spent a little more time discussing mental health, and that if our mental health system was not broken (And properly integrated with background check databases) that firearms likely would not have been sold to Cho or the Aurora shooter among others.

This was a prime time for the NRA to lay out the unarguable fact that, statistically, legally purchased guns are safe and law-abiding gun owners are no threat to society.

Instead, they blew it by wasting a lot of time on a useless plan. They would have been better off staying quiet.

It is important to remember that the NRA isn't actually a gun rights group.

Rooster89 · 12-21-2012, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

It is important to remember that the NRA isn't actually a gun rights group.

Someone want to explain this?

djkyky · 12-22-2012, 09:37 AM

AR15's may be scarce in Cal but are as common in Kentucky as missing front teeth. Fun range rifle. The bullet will drill a hole through 1/4" plate steel. Also used as a hunting rifle. Deadly accurate.

phelan · 12-21-2012, 05:10 PM

Yeah. What Stevie said. Like I argued with some, the government is addressing the immediate, without actually solving the cote problem.

Trying to find an AR in California right now is worse than a needle in a haystack. Everybody snapped one up when they could.

Red__Zed · 12-21-2012, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by phelan

Yeah. What Stevie said. Like I argued with some, the government is addressing the immediate, without actually solving the cote problem.

Trying to find an AR in California right now is worse than a needle in a haystack. Everybody snapped one up when they could.

If I wasn't in the middle of buying a house i would be lined up for one right now.

m4a1mustang · 12-21-2012, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

It is important to remember that the NRA isn't actually a gun rights group.

True. GOA is a gun rights group.

cdoxp800 · 12-21-2012, 05:37 PM

Pick me up a Sig 1911 traditional. Cannot wait to fire some rounds with it.

1911 Traditional Reverse Two-Tone

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///PureSwank · 12-24-2012, 09:14 PM

This is ******* ridiculous. I have gone to EVERY SINGLE gun store in my city and not ONE of them has a SINGLE rifle in stock!! What is this? Its like something out of a movie! Bullet prices are retarded!!! Something IS going down. And its above our pay grade to figure what the ultimate outcome will be.

OMGiGOTaZ · 12-25-2012, 12:14 AM

I've searched high and low for magazines! The local store would only sell me one with an AR

MacCool · 12-25-2012, 11:00 AM

AR15's, components and accessories have been in short supply for months. Now, they are simply unavailable. Right now, magazines are going to be impossible, and even if you do find some, expect to pay $30 and up. Ammo...likewise impossible.

Baer383 · 12-25-2012, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by OMGiGOTaZ

I've searched high and low for magazines! The local store would only sell me one with an AR

I have 30 brand new C products mags in bags never opened.

12-21-2012, 04:46 PM	#3 (permalink)
m4a1mustang A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Northern VA Posts: 55,385 Drives: on two wheels Rep Power: 6964	The more I think about it the more I feel like the press conference today was a complete failure and more than likely weakens any future NRA effort to combat gun control legislation. At the core of the press conference the NRA did two things: 1) They completely ignored the debate over gun control which is swallowing the nation whole at the moment 2) They attempted to deflect to and place the blame on a lack of school security using the incredibly unrealistic idea of having qualified, armed guards in schools. Given the number of schools in the US (something on the order of 130k+) there is no way every locality will be able to afford qualified, armed security personnel for schools. I think this is an idea that will broadly be laughed at and torn apart by most. It's unfeasible. The real issue at hand is gun control. Specifically, that gun control DOES NOT work. The NRA should have taken this time to address the debate at hand and lay out the facts. Gun control doesn't work. It hasn't worked. And it will never work. And explain WHY. Explain that the vast majority (99.9999%) of gun owners are LAW ABIDING CITIZENS that only want to be able to 1) enjoy a Constitutional right, 2) engage in lawful sporting activity, and 3) have a means to defend themselves and their families. Explain that only a small percentage (less than 5%) of firearms used in crimes were purchased legally. Explain that a semi-automatic AR-15 "assault rifle" is no more dangerous than a standard hunting rifle or handgun, and that those that choose to inflict mass damage on soft targets would be able to do so with ANY weapon. Explain that the Sandy Hook shooting likely would not have occurred had Nancy Lanza secured her weapons in safes so that her son could not access them. The NRA should have urged Federal lawmakers to ensure that our EXISTING gun laws are properly enforced. The NRA should have spent a little more time discussing mental health, and that if our mental health system was not broken (And properly integrated with background check databases) that firearms likely would not have been sold to Cho or the Aurora shooter among others. This was a prime time for the NRA to lay out the unarguable fact that, statistically, legally purchased guns are safe and law-abiding gun owners are no threat to society. Instead, they blew it by wasting a lot of time on a useless plan. They would have been better off staying quiet. __________________ - Steve Zs & Coffee - Saturdays at 10AM in Fairfax, VA and Columbia, MD (Click the banner!) LIKE us on Facebook!

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phelan A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: CA Age: 40 Posts: 9,513 Drives: Scoobaroo Rep Power: 3408	Yeah. What Stevie said. Like I argued with some, the government is addressing the immediate, without actually solving the cote problem. Trying to find an AR in California right now is worse than a needle in a haystack. Everybody snapped one up when they could. __________________ 凛 ('Rin') - 2009 Nissan 370Z With silence comes peace. With peace comes freedom. With freedom comes silence.

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OMGiGOTaZ Enthusiast Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Florida Posts: 316 Drives: 12 370Z Auto Sport Rep Power: 14	I've searched high and low for magazines! The local store would only sell me one with an AR __________________ all you gotta do is...

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djkyky Base Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Lexington, KY Posts: 17 Drives: 12 Nissan 370Z Rep Power: 15	AR15's may be scarce in Cal but are as common in Kentucky as missing front teeth. Fun range rifle. The bullet will drill a hole through 1/4" plate steel. Also used as a hunting rifle. Deadly accurate.

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///PureSwank Track Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Earth Posts: 954 Drives: 2009 370z Rep Power: 16	This is ******* ridiculous. I have gone to EVERY SINGLE gun store in my city and not ONE of them has a SINGLE rifle in stock!! What is this? Its like something out of a movie! Bullet prices are retarded!!! Something IS going down. And its above our pay grade to figure what the ultimate outcome will be.

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MacCool A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Midwest Posts: 1,349 Drives: 370Z PW 2014 Rep Power: 18	AR15's, components and accessories have been in short supply for months. Now, they are simply unavailable. Right now, magazines are going to be impossible, and even if you do find some, expect to pay $30 and up. Ammo...likewise impossible.

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