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Originally Posted by MacCool No. Actually it depends very little on the ammo. It depends mostly on the ability of the shooter to consistently get rounds on target. Many people

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Old 12-12-2012, 12:42 PM   #1 (permalink)
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No. Actually it depends very little on the ammo. It depends mostly on the ability of the shooter to consistently get rounds on target.

Many people like to obsess over their ammo choice, yet pay little attention to their training and practice. I would much rather put my life in the hands of a well-trained shooter shooting M193 than a casual weekend plinker shooting the most magical self-defense bullet on the market.

I see a lot of people on this forum with some really great hardware. They describe it well and lovingly post pictures of it here for all of us to drool over. I rarely see anyone here post their experience at their recent defensive carbine training course.

The hardware, ammo included is important. The ability to use that hardware effectively is infinitely more important. Before spending much mental effort on which ammo you're going to use in your defensive carbine, I think it's most wise to realistically evaluate your ability to shoot effectively in those scenarios that go beyond punching paper or plinking at tin cans. Go buy 5,000 rounds of .223 and shoot it over the next year. Take at least one defensive carbine course. THEN let's have the discussion about which ammo will kill a human best. Until then, save your money. You're going to be far more likely to just put a lot of expensive ammo past your attacker's 10-ring.
I agree, except when it comes to barriers. In 5.56, you really REALLY need bonded ammo if you plan to encounter them.

As for me, VTAC Carbine 1.5 this November, scheduled for Streetfighter this coming April, not sure what's after that. As always, put them where it matters as quick as possible!
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Thinking about trading in my ruger m77 in 300 win mag for a tikka t3 in .308

Those tikkas are amazing rifles!
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My first rifle! Just picked it up yesterday.

Smith & Wesson M&P 15-22 MOE model

I already have a M&P9c and Shield 9mm, so I guess this makes me a S&W wh0re?

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I think I'm going to stock up on some more 9mm and 5.56.
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I think I'm going to stock up on some more 9mm and 5.56.
same here but .45 and .308

mines a lot more expensive
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I think I'm going to stock up on some more 9mm and 5.56.
Bought 5K rounds of PMC XTAC M193 a few days ago. It's going up in price and hard to find. I need 2K of that for a course this coming April, and 1K of that is a gift for two of my friends this christmas to go along with the PSA 16" midlength uppers I bought them (contingent upon them buying properly assembled lowers, which they did.)

The other 2K are for keeping along with 1K rounds of MK318 SOST and about 1K rounds of 64gr Gold Dot. Finally got someone to put a few 64g Gold Dots into some deer for me. It's very nasty stuff.

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amen to that.

the gun show saturday was more crowded than usual. I wonder why?
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PITA trying to find ammo right now.
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I switched my NRA membership to a lifetime membership & Dec 26th I will order my M4 rifle. I was holding out for spring to get a specific 6.8 AR but i will probably have to settle for 5.56 and convert it later, if parts arent banned???
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Exactly why I ordered mine as well. Was going to wait till tax return but had to order today. Guess car part will come from tax return now.
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I'm glad I already got my BCM. I am good on mags I could just use some extra ammunition to store.
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This will be my new b*tch, lucky number 12 I will buy the 6.8 barrel and bolt when they be come available. Hopefully I will also find a.300 blkout barrel that will fit this platform????

Will be ordering mags, ammo and such in advance. ALL future car mods on hold till next year. Arsenal must be fed.

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