^^^ thanks! will be taking my dad along with my new AR, xdm9, and buckmark .22 to the range tomorrow :D my finger has been very itchy....

This is good, this is real good! For all gun lovers!


Montana Firearms Freedom Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Firearms Freedom Act

Unfortunately living in NY we are heavily regulated...But I will be getting my pistol license soon :tup:

Hey, gotta start somewhere

If we are to regain the 2nd as a fundamental right, we must protect it by not using it as a tool against another. The felon in my view has paid his debt to society, if he was too dangerous to allow to be armed, they were too dangerous to release from prison.

Alright guys, I need some help finding bullets. Every local store has been out of stock for the last 7 or 8 months (not exaggerating) and even the online stores I know about are out of stock (CTD and others). I need .45 ACP.

The Sheriff's Dept that my GF works for does bulk buys once or twice a year, so I guess I can wait for that to come around again, but I'd really like to get back to the range! It's been months!

Any idea where I can get some .45 ACP 230 gr FMJ target rounds? Preferrably Winchester...

Tried sportsmansguide.com?

My local gun store always has plenty in stock. But I'm guessing you don't want to drive all the way to Lawrenceville from Augusta.

They have the 100 rd boxes in stock, thankfully, albeit the most expensive I've ever seen them. Thanks!

EDIT:

I notice the price on Wolf ammo is a little cheaper. I've heard good things about Wolf, so perhaps I'll try them out for a bit. DOH! they're on backorder too.

US Marine here. :o)

Supply and demand.

Ariz. House approves concealed weapons bill

Thu Apr 8, 7:52 pm ET

PHOENIX – The Arizona House voted Thursday to make the state the third in the nation to allow people to carry concealed weapons without a permit,

sending the governor a bill that would allow Arizonans to forego background checks and classes that are now required.

The legislation, approved by the House 36-19 without discussion, would make it legal for most U.S. citizens 21 or older to carry a concealed weapon in Arizona without the permit now required. Currently, carrying a hidden firearm without a permit is a misdemeanor punishable by up to six months in jail and a fine of up to $2,500.

Sen. Russell Pearce, a Mesa Republican who sponsored the measure, said last week that he added changes requested by Gov. Jan Brewer's office, an

indication that she is likely to sign it. The governor can sign or veto the measure, or allow it to become law without action.

If the legislation is enacted, Arizona would join Alaska and Vermont in not requiring permits to carry concealed weapons. Forty-five other states require permits for hidden guns, and two states — Illinois and Wisconsin — prohibit them altogether.

Supporters say gun restrictions only affect people who want to follow the rules because criminals will carry hidden guns regardless of the law. Nearly all adults can carry a weapon openly in Arizona, and they shouldn't face additional restrictions when they want to hide the weapon, supporters argue.

"What's dangerous is when they're in criminals' hands, not citizens' hands," said Rep. David Gowan, R-Sierra Vista, a bill sponsor.

Opponents argue legalizing concealed weapons will make it easier for criminals to carry them, endangering police. They also worry the bill would lead to more accidental gun discharges by people not adequately trained in firearm safety.

"We wouldn't give people driver's licenses without requiring training or testing. Why would we give people the ability to carry a concealed weapon anywhere?" said Rep. Steve Farley, D-Tucson.

There are more than 154,000 active concealed weapon permits in Arizona.

Under the measure, Arizonans would still be subject to the background checks federal law requires when buying firearms from a store. People carrying a concealed weapon would be required to tell a police officer if asked, and the officer could temporarily take the weapon while communicating with the gun carrier.

Under the legislation, permits still could be obtained on an optional basis so Arizonans could carry concealed weapons in states with reciprocity agreements. Permits also would be required to carry weapons in bars and restaurants that serve alcohol.

With the elevation of Brewer to the governor's office, Arizona gun-rights advocates have had a wave of success over the past two years.

The state in 2009 loosened its gun laws to lift a ban on guns in establishments that serve alcohol, although gun-bearers still cannot drink alcohol and establishments can ban firearms.

Brewer, a Republican who took office in January 2009, signed that measure into law. Her predecessor, Democrat Janet Napolitano, vetoed several measures pushed by gun-rights supporters before resigning to run the U.S. Homeland Security Department.

On Monday, Brewer signed two bills loosening gun restrictions. One bill broadened the state's current restrictions on local governments' ability to regulate or tax guns and ammunition.

The other bill declares that guns manufactured entirely in Arizona are exempt from federal oversight and are not subject to federal laws restricting the sale of firearms or requiring them to be registered.


Ariz. House approves concealed weapons bill - Yahoo! News

Concealed Weapons Allowed Without Permit
Governor signs new bill

PHOENIX, Ariz. - Republican Gov. Jan Brewer on Friday signed into law a bill making Arizona the third state allowing people without a permit to carry a concealed weapon.

The bill she signed Friday afternoon takes effect 90 days after the current legislative session ends. That likely will put the effective date in July or August.

"I believe this legislation not only protects the Second Amendment rights of Arizona citizens, but restores those rights as well," Brewer said in a statement.

Alaska and Vermont now do not require permits to carry concealed weapons.

By eliminating the permit requirement, the Arizona legislation will allow people 21 or older to forego background checks and classes that are now required.

Supporters say the bill promotes constitutional rights and allows people to protect themselves from criminals, while critics worry it will lead to more shootings as people with less training have fewer restrictions on carrying weapons.

Some police officials are concerned the law will lead to more accidental gun discharges from people untrained in firearm safety, or that shooters in stressful situations will accidentally strike innocent bystanders with stray bullets.

"I know a lot of 21 year olds; the maturity level is gravely concerning sometimes," said El Mirage Police Chief Mike Frazier, an Arizona Association of Chiefs of Police board member. "If you're going to be carrying a weapon you should know what the law is and how to use it."

However, the measure was supported by police unions representing rank-and-file officers, who said their best friend on the streets is a law-abiding citizen equipped to protect themselves or others.

The police chiefs group initially opposed the bill but then took a neutral stance after some provisions were changed at their request. Brewer's office also participated in negotiations on changes to the bill.

Arizona's permissive gun laws gained national attention last year when a man openly carried a semiautomatic rifle to a Phoenix protest outside a speech by President Barack Obama.

Nearly all adults can already carry a weapon openly in Arizona, and supporters of looser laws argue that gun owners shouldn't face additional restrictions just because they want to hide the weapon.

Currently, carrying a hidden firearm without a permit is a misdemeanor punishable by up to six months in jail and a fine of up to $2,500.

Forty-five other states require permits for hidden guns, and two states -- Illinois and Wisconsin -- prohibit them altogether.

Federal law requires anyone buying a gun from a licensed dealer to undergo a background check, but that requirement does not apply to sales by individuals who aren't dealers. Arizona's law won't change that.

Under the Arizona legislation, people carrying a concealed weapon will be required to tell a police officer that if asked, and the officer can temporarily take the weapon while communicating with the person.

More than 154,000 people have permits to carry a concealed weapon in Arizona.

The bill acted on by Brewer was the first attempt to lift the permit requirement to reach an Arizona governor's desk.

Brewer's predecessor, Democrat Janet Napolitano, in 2007 vetoed two related bills. One would have reduced penalties for carrying a concealed weapon without a permit. The other would have allowed a person without a permit to carry a gun largely concealed as long as any part of it or its holster was visible.

Brewer in 2008 signed into law a bill allowing a person with a permit to take a gun into a restaurant or bar serving alcohol as long as the establishment doesn't prohibit it and the person isn't drinking alcohol. Napolitano vetoed a similar bill in 2005.

courtesy of Mr.Frost

I love the statement "However, the measure was supported by police unions representing rank-and-file officers, who said their best friend on the streets is a law-abiding citizen equipped to protect themselves or others."

People defending themselves ftw.

Cliff to the rescue. You going to post that on Tech or am I? lol

Not sure if that's a such a great idea. No permits? WOW! Here comes the wild west.

I have the opposite mind, I think people are more likely to behave knowing anyone may be packing.

:iagree: who would rob a bank not knowing who else in the bank is packing

A comedian did a joke that instead of spending hundreds of millions trying to assure no one gets on a plane without a weapon (which isn't working) let EVERYONE get on the plane with a gun. A couple guys aren't going to stand up to hijack a plane when 30 other people may shoot them right there.
That's just a joke of course, and not as simple as that, but there is some seriousness to it.

What is your take on the DDM4? (Daniel Defense M4) Just wondering found a great deal on Gun Broker



DAN

Done.
What's the difference, permit, no permit, legal carry, illegal carry. "If they want to give their life", "for yours"!

Took my friend to the range today while his fiance was busy with her bridal shower. Wanted to try out a mag dump on my xdm9 and stag. I think I out shot my finger when trying a mag dump on the stag.... Quality is crap, but you just need to hear it.

With the AZ law changing to allow everyone to carry concealed weapons, I am going to need something smaller than my glock .40. Anyone have exceptional experience with a particular pocket pistol they want to share?

I have a kel-tec P3AT .380 that fits in the front pocket quite nicely, feels like a cell phone, i forget its there sometimes. Cost me $250.

How is the reliability and comfort? My glock is actually junk for comfort, I hate shooting it for long periods, but the thing ALWAYS shoots.

I've fired about 300 rounds through it, no hiccups. Not really comfortable to shoot, no pocket gun is. But when it comes to concealability, nothing beats it.

heres a reference to its size:

Wallet, P3, Camera
http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/g...t6/p_00063.jpg

Compared to my hand
http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/g...t6/p_00064.jpg

Awesome, thanks for the pics. It looks like a great size, and the price seems like a pretty good deal.

No problem, yeah the price is great on these things, heres an idea of the comfort, I wear it with gym shorts. Found this one for $272 delivered.

Kel-Tec P-3AT .380 pistol blue for Sale at Buds Gun Shop $272.00

^I have the .32 Kel-Tec, these things are crazy small. Wouldn't recommend the .32 for carry tho - get the .380 for sure.

I read a review that says you really have to get used to the trigger reset on the kel tec, what are thoughts gents?

as with double action only pistols, the reset is always going to be long. The trigger on it actually acts as a safety mechanism, being that there isnt a safety switch. The pull is long so as to not accidentally go off when youre carrying with a round in the tube. This isnt a once a week range gun, its for self defense and self defense alone.

if you want reviews by people that actually own the gun, check their forum out.

KTOG Forum - Index

Will do, off to read. Thanks again mate :tiphat:

no problem good sir.

State plan fines feds $2,000 over gun rules
2 years in jail also possible for agent enforcing U.S. regulations on firearm

Wyoming has joined a growing list of states with self-declared exemptions from federal gun regulation of weapons made, bought and used inside state borders – but lawmakers in the Cowboy State have taken the issue one step further, adopting significant penalties for federal agents attempting to enforce Washington’s rules.

According to a law signed into effect yesterday by Democratic Gov. Dave Freudenthal, any agent of the U.S. who “enforces or attempts to enforce” federal gun rules on a “personal firearm” in Wyoming faces a felony conviction and a penalty of up to two years in prison and up to $2,000 in fines.

WND reported just days ago when Utah became the third state, joining Montana and Tennessee, to adopt an exemption from federal regulations for weapons built, sold and kept within state borders.

A lawsuit is pending over the Montana law, which was the first to go into effect.

But Wyoming’s law goes further, stating, “Any official, agent or employee of the United States government who enforces or attempts to enforce any act, order, law, statute, rule or regulation of the United States government upon a personal firearm, a firearm accessory or ammunition that is manufactured commercially or privately in Wyoming and that remains exclusively within the borders of Wyoming shall be guilty of a felony and, upon conviction, shall be subject to imprisonment for not more than two (2) years, a fine of not more than two thousand dollars ($2,000.00), or both.”

Gary Marbut of the Montana Shooting Sports Association, who has spearheaded the Montana law, now describes himself as a sort of “godfather” to the national campaign.

He said the issue is not only about guns but about states’ rights and the constant overreaching by federal agencies and Washington to impose their requirements on in-state activities.

He said South Dakota, Oklahoma, Alaska and Idaho also appear to be close to adopting similar legislation, and several dozen more states have proposals in the works.

According to an analysis by Michael Boldin at the Tenth Amendment Center, the federal government has used the Commerce Clause, which authorizes the regulation of commerce that crosses state lines, to regulate just about anything.

In the Montana lawsuit, the federal government’s brief argues it can regulate intrastate commerce because of the Commerce Clause.

But the analysis said what the states are doing is simply a nullification.

“Laws of the federal government are to be supreme in all matters pursuant to the delegated powers of U.S. Constitution. When D.C. enacts laws outside those powers, state laws trump. And, as Thomas Jefferson would say, when the federal government assumes powers not delegated to it, those acts are ‘unauthoritative, void, and of no force’ from the outset,” Boldin wrote.

“When a state ‘nullifies’ a federal law, it is proclaiming that the law in question is void and inoperative, or ‘noneffective,’ within the boundaries of that state; or, in other words, not a law as far as the state is concerned. Implied in such legislation is that the state apparatus will enforce the act against all violations – in order to protect the liberty of the state’s citizens,” he continued.

“By signing H.B. 95, Gov. Freudenthal places Wyoming in a position of proper authority while pressing the issue of state supremacy back into the public sphere,” he continued.

On a blog, one commentator noted, “This is a healthy sign. Legislators in several states working to take back sovereignty and restore constitutional government. The next step that has to be taken is to replace representatives and senators who don’t support states rights. Then, the House needs to introduce impeachment proceedings against Supreme Court justices who exhibit bad behavior. Contrary to popular belief, Supreme Court justices do not serve lifetime appointments. They serve for periods of GOOD BEHAVIOR. I contend that erroneous decisions constitute bad behavior.”

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According to the Casper, Wyo., Star-Tribune, the law takes effect in July and consumers could purchase guns immediately under the exemption from the state’s sole firearms manufacturer, Freedom Arms, which makes revolvers in the $2,000 price range.

The newspaper reported authorities already have discussed the possible scenario of a local Wyoming sheriff arresting a U.S. marshal.

“That’s a question we’ve sort of asked ourselves,” John Powell, a spokesman with the U.S. attorney’s office in Cheyenne, told the paper. “We’re not exactly sure how this is going to play out.”

State Rep. Alan Jaggi, R-Lyman, told the newspaper there could be confrontations.

“I think it could be a possibility if we had some overzealous – do I want to say bureaucrat? – that would just say, ‘Hey, we’re going to show these states we have all the authority,’” Jaggi said. “States’ rights – I’m willing to say that’s important enough to us to do it.”

In signing Utah’s law, Gov. Gary Herbert said it was time to act.

“There are times when the state needs to push back against continued encroachment from the federal government. Sending the message that we will stand up for a proper balance between the state and federal government is a good thing,” said Herbert in a statement.

The Montana lawsuit was filed by state officials against U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder and others seeking a court order that the federal government stay out of the way of Montana’s management of its own firearms within state borders.

In a subsequent filing, the federal government demanded dismissal of the action, explaining it can regulate in-state commerce under the Constitution’s Commerce Clause.

As WND reported, the action was filed by the Second Amendment Foundation and the Montana Shooting Sports Association in U.S. District Court in Missoula, Mont., to validate the principles and terms of the Montana Firearms Freedom Act, which took effect Oct. 3.

Marbut argues that the federal government was created by the states to serve the states and the people, and it is time for the states to begin drawing boundaries for the federal government and its agencies.

The government’s filing in the case demands its dismissal, citing a lacking of “standing” for the plaintiffs and the court’s lack of “jurisdiction,” as well as the Constitution’s Commerce Clause. The government filing argues, “The Supreme Court and Ninth Circuit have repeatedly held that even purely intrastate activities, such as those the MFFA purports to exempt from federal law, do affectinterstate commerce and thus are within Congress’ power to regulate. As a result, even if plaintiffs had standing and jurisdiction existed, plaintiffs’ amended complaint fails to state a claim and must be dismissed.”

The Commerce Clause, however, can be interpreted to have been amended by the 10th Amendment, which is part of the Bill of Rights, adopted subsequent to the U.S. Constitution, Marbut explains.

His organization said, “The Commerce Clause was amended – by the 10th Amendment. It is a bedrock principle of jurisprudence that for any conflict between provisions of a coequal body of law, the most recently enacted must be given deference as the most recent expression of the enacting authority. This principle is ancient. Without this principle, laws could not be amended or repealed.”

For example, U.S. courts repeatedly affirmed slavery before it ultimately was rejected.

There’s no question that the components of the Bill of Rights have authority: just look at the First Amendment, Marbut explained.

The federal government had written gun dealers in Montana as well as in Tennessee when it adopted its own version of the same law that warned against following the state laws.

The letters were distributed to holders of federal firearms licenses.

In the Tennessee case, Carson W. Carroll, the assistant director of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, told dealers the adopted Tennessee Firearms Freedom Act “purports to exempt personal firearms, firearms accessories, and ammunition manufactured in the state, and which remain in the state, from most federal firearms laws and regulations.”

The exemption is not right, the federal agency letter contends.

Full story found here at State plan fines feds $2,000 over gun rules

lol @ states trying to flex their muscle.

Glad to see you in here!:tiphat:
All it took was 1, to get the wheel rolling!

Everything starts with one.

If Guns were Treated Like Cars
(C) 2000 Ron Miller

1. You could get a simple license from the State for a nominal fee and only
have to take a test that any idiot could pass. You'd only have to renew it
every 10 years for 40 years and maybe retake the test if you move out of state.
2. You could kill and injure people with your gun while drunk and still have
your lawyer get your gun back because you need it for work.
3. You'd have half the tax burden of the county and State dedicated to
improving the shooting ranges and facilities. The public agrees this is never
good enough to suit them and with all the gunowners from California moving in,
the range capacity will never catch up. Lines at the range are always shown on
TV with the newsies deploring the crowding.
4. You could carry in any State at any time because carry and possession of
your gun is honored nationwide and is considered a basic American civil right.
5. You would see commercials on TV pushing the newest, latest guns which you
could lease for just $25 per month subject to the fine print.
6. You could finance a fancier gun than you can really afford by taking a 5
year loan with approved credit.
7. You would have a gun safe built into every house. In the upscale houses you
would have 3 gun safes. Inexpensive houses and mobile homes would just have a
gunrack by the door.
8. You'd have gun storage lockers at the shopping mall in which to store your
rifle while shopping. This in order to free your arms for packages. The
convenience of the shopper is paramount.
9. You could buy ammunition at the 7-11. Full-service station means they'll
reload your magazines for you.
10 The news would stop reporting gun accidents unless more than 10 children
were killed at one time. Onesy-twosey would only be notable in small towns or
if Princess Di's bodyguard shot her while aiming at paparazzi.
11 If the price of ammunition rose 20% the Federal Government would release war
reserves of ammo to bring the price back down to the consumer's comfort level.
Ammo would carry a 50% tax to finance public shooting ranges. The Teapot Dome
scandal would have been about a lead mine.
12 We'd teach gunsmithing in vocational-education programs.
13 Every 16 year old would be looking forward to the day when he could take the
family revolver to school. The rich kids would get a high capacity semi-auto
pistol on their 16th birthday and endanger everyone when they learn to use it
in public.
14 High schools would have large gun lockers to store student's arms while they
attend classes. Administrators would try to charge for the service to
discourage teen-age gun carrying to school.
15 Schools would have shooter's education classes to make sure the kids could
pass the test. They would show gory films of gunshot wounds. The squeamish
would throw up.
16 Old people who can hardly see would still be permitted to shoot in public
because to disarm them would be to damage their self-esteem. Families would
wring their hands over holes in the walls and ceiling. Occasionally an oldster
would fire into a schoolyard when they mistake the trigger for the safety.
Legislators would refrain from criticizing because of the AARP's influence.
17 Congress would be debating alternative weapons systems for people who can't
afford their own guns.
18 There would be such a thing as "public weapons" for the masses.
19 Congress would be subsidizing weapons for people too limited in means to
afford their own.
20 Congress would be willing to float a loan to Colt's in order to ensure the
survival of an American company against unfair foreign competition. (Think
"Chrysler")
21 We, except for Ralph Nader, would dismiss 40,000 deaths and 500,000 injuries
per year as "the price of freedom."
22 You would have MADS. Mothers Against Drunk Shooters (instead of HCI). MADS
would conduct a campaign of public education instead of trying to use the force
of government to prohibit irresponsible drinking and shooting.
23 You could rent a gun at any airport if you are over 25 and have a credit
card.
24 You would have the fringe-greenies advocating bows and arrows because they
think gunsmoke is damaging the environment. Al Gore would write a book about
the damaging effects of gunsmoke. Al Gore would also claim to have been a
handloader before his sister died in a powder fire.
25 You'd have huge outcry in the Press and Congress over our dependence on
cheap, imported, foreign ammunition.
26 Ted Kennedy would have shot Mary Jo Kopekne instead. Ted would be a few
thousand dollars richer (bullet:$0.25 vs car:$3000) Ted would stop carrying his
own gun and instead, hire bodyguards to carry fully-automatic weapons under
their coats for him.
27 You'd have businesses like "Jiffy Gun-Clean" to make life convenient. But
you'd always worry that they might not have gotten the magazine fully seated
afterwards.
28 You'd have "Classic Gun Events" with parades on public roads as everyone
with such a classic carries it for all the public to see.
29 You'd have huge eyesores where piles of guns are left to rust in the open at
"Gun Junk Yards". They would charge you outrageous prices to go out back and
pick off a hammer or sear which is probably also worn out like the one you want
to replace.
30 There would be a booming business and debate about substituting non-OEM
parts in the gun repair business.
31 You'd have TV news crews going under cover with hidden cameras to ferret out
"unscrupulous gun smiths." This story would be "old reliable" and works every
year.
32 The Japanese would be trying, and succeeding, at taking over the market for
efficient, reliable high-quality guns. The Koreans would be trying to sneak in
at the low end of the market. The Germans would be selling premium brands based
on better workmanship, longer life, and brand cachet. But their guns would
require you to take it to a gunsmith every 3 months for a complete tear-down
and dimensional inspection at outrageous labor rates. The Italians would paint
their guns flaming red and they would have a reputation for being finicky. The
State Department would be applying pressure to get Japan to allow more US-built
guns into their country. The Japanese would resist the US by saying that
Japanese shooters have extra-special safety requirements that only Japanese
manufacturers can meet.
33 You'd have an entire section of the Saturday Coloradoan devoted to ads for
new and used guns.
34 You'd have a pair of fun-loving gunsmiths on Public Radio doing a show on
gun problems. They'd be named "Tap & Rack"
35 There would have been a terrible TV show back in the black & white days
named "My Mother - The Gun". It starred Jerry Van Dyke and ran just one season.

36 Dean Jones would have made a series of stupid movies starring Herbie the
Love-Gun. Herbie was an adorable anthropomorphized cheap German Saturday Night
Special. Dean Jones would never show his face in public again after these
movies.
37 Competition would be carried on TV all day on Saturdays. The Daytona 500
would be round-count instead of miles. There would be speed contests, endurance
contests, and off-range marksmanship events. NASGUN would create big heroes in
the South and extravagant marketing opportunities.
38 High-schools would paint up a gun in the colors of the opposition and charge
$.25 for you to swing a sledge hammer at that gun during pep rallys.
39 John Elway would own half the gunstores in the Denver Metro area.
40 Wellington Webb's wife would be carrying the finest English Double shotgun
money can buy while Wellington has body guards to carry his semi-auto pistols
41 Back in the 1970's during the ammo crisis, Congress would have set a maximum
cyclic rate for autos and semi autos in order to conserve ammo.
42 After Iraq was pushed out of Kuwait, the national cyclic rate was raised to
something all semi-autos can be comfortable with.
43 The Coloradoan would be publishing the locations of range repair work every
week to be sure no one would be inconvenienced.
44 The Beach Boys would have released some songs about guns: "Spring little
Cobray gettin' ready to strike..... Spring little Cobray with all your
might....." "She's real fine my Wonder Nine, she's real fine my Won-der Nine."
"Fun, fun, fun 'til Daddy takes her Kel-Tec away......"
45 Letters to editors would be written decrying that all those Soccer Moms are
lugging .50 cal machine guns around town, wasting ammo and getting in
everybody's way.
46 Letters to editors would be written responding that putting one's beginning
driver son or daughter behind a .50 cal would mean that the writer's offspring
would survive any conflict with lesser armed individuals.
47 Al Gore would claim he invented the .50cal cartridge and say he was sorry.
48 Cities would be experimenting with electric guns but would be surprised to
find that people would step in front of them at the range because they were too
quiet so no one knew the electric gun was there.
49 President Clinton would demand that electric gun manufacturers put a cowbell
on each one to prevent senseless accidents.
50 The National Rifle Association would be reduced to selling travel insurance
for your guns because the rest of society will have seen to it that there would
be no chance that firearms would ever be banned.

x2, that didn't go over very well in 1860 and the seditious traitors were pounded into total submission by the Patriots.

More like :shakes head: at the continuous effort to remove gun rights in the first place.