Whats great about the .40 is that the frame is the same size as the .357 and they use the same mags, I bought a Storm Lake .357 barrel for it, two guns in one, for the cost of one, cant beat that!

Yeah that's cool, but the ammo is more expensive and that adds up if you shoot often.

True, but for awhile there, .357 was always readily available on the shelf, .40, 9, .380, .45, couldnt find any for MONTHS!! I also use the .357 sig for carry, its the most powerful round you can get in the M&P, I want my rounds to count!

This guy's into firearms AND guitars apparently...

http://i326.photobucket.com/albums/k...t_guy_ever.jpg

My kinda guy, looks like he uses Magtech rounds, great for plinkin on the cheap!

That's hilarious and disturbing at the same time. Where did you dig up that gem? :ugh2:

Where else? haha... google

^Haha that picture IS disturbing... wow.

So I added a grip pod (grip with a pop-out bipod) and a flashlight to my AR :D:D:D

http://www.the370z.com/members/schru...treamlight.jpg

And no that's not me with the girle-hand. That's my wife :D

By the way that dood is sporting something rare...... the skullet, bald on top, mullet in the back.

Dude, if you noticed that detail, you spent way too much time staring at that pic. :wtf2:

(j/k with ya) ;)

:iagree:
haha totally agreed!
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No way, mullets are awesome.

Buzz and bullets: Gun fans cheer Starbucks' policy


Dale Welch recently walked into a Starbucks in Virginia, handgun strapped to his waist, and ordered a banana Frappuccino with a cinnamon bun. He says the firearm drew a double-take from at least one customer, but not a peep from the baristas.

Welch's foray into the coffeehouse was part of an effort by some gun owners to exercise and advertise their rights in states that allow people to openly carry firearms.

Even in some "open carry" states, businesses are allowed to ban guns in their stores. And some have, creating political confrontations with gun owners. But Starbucks, the largest chain targeted, has refused to take the bait, saying in a statement this month that it follows state and local laws and has its own safety measures in its stores.

"Starbucks is a special target because it's from the hippie West Coast, and a lot of dedicated consumers who pay $4 for coffee have expectations that Starbucks would ban guns. And here they aren't," said John Bruce, a political science professor at the University of Mississippi who is an expert in gun policy.

Welch, a 71-year-old retired property manager who lives in Richmond, Va., doesn't see any reason why he shouldn't bear arms while he gets caffeinated.

"I don't know of anybody who would provide me with defense other than myself, so I routinely as a way of life carry a weapon — and that extends to my coffee shops," he said.

The fight for retailers heated up in early January when gun enthusiasts in northern California began walking into Starbucks and other businesses to test state laws that allow gun owners to carry weapons openly in public places. As it spread to other states, gun control groups quickly complained about the parade of firearms in local stores.

Some were spontaneous, with just one or two gun owners walking into a store. Others were organized parades of dozens of gun owners walking into restaurants with their firearms proudly at their sides.

In one case, about 100 activists bearing arms had planned to go to a California Pizza Kitchen in Walnut Creek, Calif., but after it became clear they weren't welcome they went to another restaurant. That chain and Peet's Coffee & Tea are among the businesses that have banned customers with guns.

Just as shops can deny service to barefoot customers, restaurants and stores in some states can declare their premises gun-free zones.

The advocacy group OpenCarry.org, a leading group encouraging the demonstrations, applauded Starbucks in a statement for "deciding not to discriminate against lawful gun carriers."

"Starbucks is seen as a responsible corporation and they're seen as a very progressive corporation, and this policy is very much in keeping with that," said John Pierce, co-founder of OpenCarry.org. "If you're going to support individual rights, you have to support them all. I applaud them, and I've gone out of my way personally to let every manager of every Starbucks I pass know that."

The Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence has responded by circulating a petition that soon attracted 26,000 signatures demanding that Starbucks "offer espresso shots, not gunshots" and declare its coffeehouses "gun-free zones."

Gun control advocates hope the coffeehouse firearms displays end up aggravating more people than they inspire.

"If you want to dress up and go out and make a little political theater by frightening children in the local Starbucks, if that's what you want to spend your energy on, go right ahead," said Peter Hamm, a spokesman for the Brady campaign. "But going out and wearing a gun on your belt to show the world you're allowed to is a little juvenile."

The coffeehouse debate has been particularly poignant for gun-control advocates in Washington state, where four uniformed police officers were shot and killed while working on their laptops at a suburban coffeehouse. The shooter later died in a gun battle with police.

Ralph Fascitelli of Washington Ceasefire, an advocacy group that seeks to reduce gun violence, said allowing guns in coffeehouses robs residents of "societal sanctuaries."

"People go to Starbucks for an escape, just so they can get peace," Fascitelli said. "But people walk in with open-carry guns and it destroys the tranquility."

Gun control advocates have been on the defensive. Their opponents have trumpeted fears that gun rights would erode under a Democrat-led White House and Congress, but President Barack Obama and his top allies have largely been silent on issues such as reviving an assault weapons ban or strengthening background checks at gun shows.

Gun rights groups are looking to build on a 2008 U.S. Supreme Court ruling that struck down Washington, D.C.'s handgun ban, and cheered legislation that took effect Monday allowing licensed gun owners to bring firearms into national parks. Obama signed that legislation as part of a broader bill.

Legislators in Montana and Tennessee, meanwhile, have passed measures seeking to exempt guns made and kept in-state from national gun control laws. And state lawmakers elsewhere are considering legislation that would give residents more leeway to carry concealed weapons without permits.

Observers say the gun rights movement is using the Starbucks campaign to add momentum and energize its supporters.

"They're trying to change the culture with this broader notion of gun rights," said Clyde Wilcox, a Georgetown University government professor who has written a book on the politics of gun control. "I think they are pressing the notion that they've got a rout going, so why not just get what they can while they're ahead?"

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Buzz and bullets: Gun fans cheer Starbucks' policy - Yahoo! News

^Good read! +rep for digging that up. I also like this site.

The Armed Citizen

Justices may extend gun owner rights nationwide


WASHINGTON – The Supreme Court suggested Tuesday it will strike down U.S. cities' outright bans on handguns, a ruling that could establish a nationwide ownership right fervently sought by gun advocates. But the justices indicated less severe limits could survive, continuing disputes over the "right to keep and bear arms."

Chicago area residents who want handguns for protection in their homes are asking the court to extend its 2008 decision in support of gun rights in Washington, D.C., to state and local laws.

Such a ruling would firmly establish a right that has been the subject of politically charged and often fierce debate for decades. But it also would ensure years of legal challenges to sort out exactly which restrictions may stand and which must fall.

Indeed, the outcome of the Washington lawsuit in 2008 already has spawned hundreds of court challenges, including one in Massachusetts over a state law requiring gun owners to lock weapons in their homes.

Two years ago, the court announced that the Constitution's Second Amendment protects an individual's right to possess guns, at least for self-defense in the home.

That ruling applied only to federal laws and struck down a ban on handguns and trigger lock requirement for other guns in Washington, a city with unique federal status. At the same time, the court was careful not to cast doubt on other regulations of firearms.

The court already has said that most of the guarantees in the Bill of Rights serve as a check on state and local laws. Still, "states have substantial latitude and ample authority to impose reasonable regulations," said Justice Anthony Kennedy, who was among the majority in the 2008 decision.

"Why can't we do the same thing with firearms?" he asked.

Alan Gura, the lawyer who represents the Chicago challengers, also has filed a new suit against Washington over the city's prohibition on carrying loaded weapons outside the home.

The justices themselves acknowledged that only through future lawsuits would the precise contours of the constitutional gun right be established. "We haven't said anything about what the content of the Second Amendment is beyond what was said in Heller," Chief Justice John Roberts said, using the name of the Washington resident who challenged the city's ban.

Roberts and the four other justices who made up the majority in the Washington case remain on the court, so it would not be a surprise to see them extend the Second Amendment's reach to the states.

Still, James Feldman, a Washington-based lawyer representing the city of Chicago, urged the court to reject the challenges to the gun laws in that city and its suburb of Oak Park, Ill. Handguns have been banned in those two places for nearly 30 years, although they appear to be the last two remaining jurisdictions with outright bans, according to the Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence.

Feldman ran into difficulty with several justices who formed the majority in 2008 — the ruling's author Antonin Scalia, Samuel Alito, Clarence Thomas, Kennedy and Roberts. Only Thomas asked no questions, as is his custom during argument.

Even those who were not in the 2008 majority appeared to recognize that some extension, or incorporation as it is called, of the Second Amendment is likely. "Would you be happy if we incorporated it and said reasonable regulation is part of the incorporation?" asked Justice Sonia Sotomayor, who only joined the court last year.

As in earlier cases applying parts of the Bill of Rights to the states, the justices suggested they use the due process clause of the 14th Amendment, which was passed in the wake of the Civil War to ensure the rights of newly freed slaves.

The court has relied on that same clause — "no state shall deprive any person of life, liberty or property without due process of law" — in cases that established a woman's right to an abortion and knocked down state laws against interracial marriage and gay sex.

This is the approach the National Rifle Association favors.

For years, Scalia has complained about the use of the due process clause. But Tuesday he said, "As much as I think it's wrong, even I have acquiesced in it."

Gura urged the court to employ another part of the 14th amendment, forbidding a state to make or enforce any law "which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States."

Breathing new life into the "privileges or immunities" clause might allow for new arguments to shore up other rights, including abortion and property rights, liberal and conservative legal scholars have said.

But why use that approach, calling for overturning 140 years of law, Scalia said, "unless you're bucking for a place on some law school faculty?"

Gura assured the court he was not in search of a job.

A decision is expected by the end of June.

The case is McDonald v. Chicago, 08-1521.

When guns are outlawed, only the outlaws will have guns.

I was looking at getting a pair of tactical type pants, any recommendations? I'd like them to accomodate my IWB holster for a compact 9.

Cliff comes through with another good gun post/quote.

511's seem to be really popular. That company is always coming up with something new. They have soom great gear.

Yeah they came up in my searches. Seem pretty good. I'm not sure whether I should order a larger waist size or not. If the pants are made to accomodate a holster should I get my normal size? :confused:

Hard to say. My wife jokes that I have no hips or a$$, so if I'm wearing a lot of gear on my waist or belt, it tends to pull just a little bit. I usually get the same size as I normally wear and just use the belt to cinch it up.

+rep for the good information. I'll wait til Semtex and a few others chime in with their thoughts too. :tup:

Thanks! I have a pair of 511's that come in handy, but I switched to a thigh rig and don't have that problem on my waist.

Now that I think about it, getting a pair of pants 1 size bigger might be a good idea. You don't want it too tight. At least I don't.

You might also want to look at EOTAC. EOTAC ? Tactical Clothing and Accessories
I can't personally recommend one brand over any other though, because I don't own any tactical pants.

Sort of OT, but interesting anyway.
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13 Things Your Burglar Won't Tell You


1. Of course I look familiar. I was here just last week cleaning your carpets, painting your shutters, or delivering your new refrigerator.

2. Hey, thanks for letting me use the bathroom when I was working in your yard last week. While I was in there, I unlatched the back window to make my return a little easier.

3. Love those flowers. That tells me you have taste ... and taste means there are nice things inside. Those yard toys your kids leave out always make me wonder what type of gaming system they have.

4. Yes, I really do look for newspapers piled up on the driveway. And I might leave a pizza flyer in your front door to see how long it takes you to remove it.

5. If it snows while you're out of town, get a neighbor to create car and foot tracks into the house. Virgin drifts in the driveway are a dead giveaway.

6. If decorative glass is part of your front entrance, don't let your alarm company install the control pad where I can see if it's set. That makes it too easy.

7. A good security company alarms the window over the sink. And the windows on the second floor, which often access the master bedroom-and your jewelry. It's not a bad idea to put motion detectors up there too.

8. It's raining, you're fumbling with your umbrella, and you forget to lock your door-understandable. But understand this: I don't take a day off because of bad weather.

9. I always knock first. If you answer, I'll ask for directions somewhere or offer to clean your gutters. (Don't take me up on it.)

10. Do you really think I won't look in your sock drawer? I always check dresser drawers, the bedside table, and the medicine cabinet.

11. Helpful hint: I almost never go into kids' rooms.

12. You're right: I won't have enough time to break into that safe where you keep your valuables. But if it's not bolted down, I'll take it with me.

13. A loud TV or radio can be a better deterrent than the best alarm system. If you're reluctant to leave your TV on while you're out of town, you can buy a $35 device that works on a timer and simulates the flickering glow of a real television. (Find it at faketv.com..)

8 MORE THINGS A BURGLAR WON'T TELL YOU:

1. Sometimes, I carry a clipboard. Sometimes, I dress like a lawn guy and carry a rake. I do my best to never, ever look like a crook.

2. The two things I hate most: loud dogs and nosy neighbors.

3. I'll break a window to get in, even if it makes a little noise. If your neighbor hears one loud sound, he'll stop what he's doing and wait to hear it again. If he doesn't hear it again, he'll just go back to what he was doing. It's human nature.

4. I'm not complaining, but why would you pay all that money for a fancy alarm system and leave your house without setting it?

5. I love looking in your windows. I'm looking for signs that you're home, and for flat screen TVs or gaming systems I'd like. I'll drive or walk through your neighborhood at night, before you close the blinds, just to pick my targets.

6. Avoid announcing your vacation on your Facebook page. It's easier than you think to look up your address.

7. To you, leaving that window open just a crack during the day is a way to let in a little fresh air. To me, it's an invitation.

8. If you don't answer when I knock, I try the door. Occasionally, I hit the jackpot and walk right in.
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Here's another:

If you injure me or I somehow get injured in the process of breaking and entering, I'll sue the hell out of you.

Mr Badguy. You break into my place & you won't be able to sue.

Bought myself this today (my idea of a pocket pistol).
http://i618.photobucket.com/albums/t...0/P1010339.jpg

very nice man, I like the Kahrs, but they are Waaaaay overpriced.

I had a PM9, nice little pistol but I didn't care for the trigger so I traded it off. How much was it? $500ish?

Excuse the crappy cell phone pics, but she came in on tuesday. Got to hold her, then they took her away from me until I paid off her ransom of $714 :shakes head:.
http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p...1987/002-3.jpg
http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p...1987/001-3.jpg
Along with Magpul front/rear MBUS
http://sgcusa.com/images/Rookie_Reviews_Magpul_MBUS.jpg

Also on the way via UPS are:
YHM light specter handguard which is a little over 9" so it covers the GB
http://www.specopstactical.com/image...631_screws.jpg
and YHM lo-pro GB
http://blackrifleworks.com/images/YHM-9383.jpg

Also a box of these little guys
http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p...1987/001-2.jpg

I think I've come down with the horrible BRD.....:tup: cause I already have a long list of stuff after i get her like:
Magpul CTR stock and MIAD grip
http://westernsportonline.com/images...rk%20Earth.jpg
Magpul pmags
http://sgcusa.com/images/large/MagPu...ack_Gen2_A.jpg
Magpul AFG
http://www.alliedarmory.com/images/p...s/MPIAG411.jpg
Magpul XTM rail cover
http://www.bowerstactical.com/store/images/MAG410.jpg
....and I'm kinda deciding between an eotech 512 or trijicon 1x42 4.5 MOA reflex 2
http://www.norcalblackriflegear.com/...EOTech_512.jpg
http://www.trijicon.com/whats_new/RX30-23-whatsnew.jpg

thats all for now

Picked this up yesterday. Walther PPS in .40 cal. First new pistol purchase in a few years. Cant wait to run a few hundred rounds though it.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...d/IMG_3149.jpg

Yes and no. On one hand, I agree that they can be a little pricey (for polymer-framed pistols). I used to wonder how they can get away with their higher than average prices, but then it dawned on me. They get away with it because people continue to buy their pistols. In fact, Kahr's PM series pistols are in very high demand right now. So much so that I haven't seen a PM9 in a good 3-4 months. Heck, I've been searching for this PM45 that I bought for about 2 months. So why are Kahrs in such high demand? Because you will be hard pressed to find major caliber pistols in such light and compact packages anywhere else. And for many people, that's worth paying a few extra bucks. Take my PM45, for example. I can't think of lighter, more compact way to carry 6 rounds of .45 ACP. Even the smallest Glock .45 ACP (the G36) is bulkier. Same goes for 9mm. Compare the PM9 to the G26 side by side and you'll see a big difference. Even the new Walther PPS is big compared to a PM9.

I'm a 1911 guy. I love my 1911s. But there are some times, esp. in the summer, when even my most compact 1911 is a bit of a pain to carry (a Kimber Ultra Covert). I thought about getting a small pocket .380. In fact, I had one -- I bought the new Sig P238. But in the end I got rid of it because, right or wrong, I just can't take that round seriously. I kept referring to it as my 'better than nothing' gun. And 90% of the time I just wound up packing a 1911 when I really didn't feel like it on account of my desire to carry more than 'better than nothing'. Then I woke up and realized that I don't really have to compromise caliber for compactness if I pony up the premium to get a Kahr. Why carry 6 rounds of .380 when I can carry 6 rounds of .45 in a package that is only marginally bigger? Plus, the Kahr actually came in $10 cheaper than the P238! (I got it for $589.)

One nice bonus about the PM45 that not many people know about -- it'll accept 1911 magazines! So I don't even have to buy spare mags for the PM45. I'll just continue to carry my Wilson 8-rd mags on the weak side. Granted, a 1911 mag will stick out. But if I ever find myself in a situation where I've actually shot all 6 rounds and need more, I doubt aesthetics will be much of a concern for me.

That's what I always thought. It's pretty messed up, no? I mean, obviously they can't get out of being prosecuted for the crime itself, but yea they can indeed sue you as a separate case.

Kahr
 

I bought an MK40 about 5 years ago for $530 bucks out the door. Its fit, finish, and quality are second to none. I really like it but not for target practice.

Alright, my purchase of that Kahr PM45 was a complete, boneheaded fail on my part. It never dawned on me to do a layover comparison of the PM45 against my Kimber Ultra until yesterday morning. Guess what? It's for all intents and purposes the same size! The Kimber is maybe a quarter-inch longer on the slide, but the slide is actually thinner, and the grip height is the same. So the PM45 is completely redundant with what I already have! The Kahr is lighter due to its polymer frame, but the Kimber holds 2 more rounds! Ugh. FAIL!

Don't get me wrong though. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with the Kahr PM45 or Kahrs in general. The only thing that makes this a fail for me is that I bought it to fill a particular gap I thought I had in my collection, only to discover that it's redundant with a piece that I already have. It looks like I may have to go the .380 route to fill the gap after all (I don't have a pocket-gun in my collection). If someone is in the market for a compact .45 ACP, I will still suggest that they look at the Kahr PM45. I prefer my 1911 in the same size, but there's a $650-$700 price difference between them! (Quality 1911s are not cheap, that's for sure.) Anyway, I went and sold the PM45 yesterday, at a loss of course. I suck.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3653/...f86c82cb95.jpg

Well at least you had a new gun for a few days.

Semtex, i predict a kel-tec P3AT in your future.

Ha. You might be right. I'm going to a gun show this weekend. I might have to pick up one. Do you by chance know how much they typically run?

Edit: Actually, if I were to go .380, I'd probably just get the Sig P238. The Kel Tec PF9 looks like it might be a contender though.

I'll jump in here and show mine. I took a quick shot with a broken crappy camera, it has no aiming ability with a broken lcd screen! But you get the idea! Top left Sig P250 in .40. Top right Sig P239 in 9mm. And the newest addition for pocket carry the Kel-Tec PF9 in 9mm on the bottom. The Kel-Tec has a nice little kick to it but expected in a 9 of that size. The P250 really does cause of the polymer grip, but its fun to shoot! P239 was my first, really great gun.

You should be able to pick up a P3 for $250. BTW, I owned a PF9 and its a wrist breaker, as im sure you know, you need to practice a bit with your carry gun and carry loads and i'll tell ya, 15 rounds and you're ready to put it down. My P3 literally feels like my cell phone in my pocket, i've even had it in my basketball shorts, it doesnt print at all. BTW, the CorBon DPX .380 loads penetrate 12"+ in denim covered gelatin, thats 9mm territory, just food for thought!