Senate Bill 1813 (known as MAP-21)

WhiskeyHotel · 04-19-2012, 01:37 PM

Senate Bill 1813 (known as MAP-21)

In a "Big Brother" move , section 31406 of the bill makes it mandatory for "black box" event recorders to be installed in every new passenger vehicle starting with model year 2015.

Section 31504 requires the development of special alarm systems designed to remind drivers that there are other passengers in the vehicle.

Duh.

Somebody look this up and tell me I've mis-interpreted this sh$t. I must have be...surely.

ZMan8 · 04-19-2012, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by WhiskeyHotel

Senate Bill 1813 (known as MAP-21)

In a "Big Brother" move , section 31406 of the bill makes it mandatory for "black box" event recorders to be installed in every new passenger vehicle starting with model year 2015.

Section 31504 requires the development of special alarm systems designed to remind drivers that there are other passengers in the vehicle.

Duh.

Somebody look this up and tell me I've mis-interpreted this sh$t. I must have be...surely.

if it's true, used vehicle resale value ^^^

theDreamer · 04-19-2012, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by ZMan8

if it's true, used vehicle resale value ^^^

Not necessarily, there are already black boxes on a lot of cars, but even today they are only used by the car manufacturer/dealerships to get info.
To use it in court or other things, they have to go to the car manufacture and get them to access the data, most will not for legal reasons.

ZMan8 · 04-19-2012, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by theDreamer

Not necessarily, there are already black boxes on a lot of cars, but even today they are only used by the car manufacturer/dealerships to get info.
To use it in court or other things, they have to go to the car manufacture and get them to access the data, most will not for legal reasons.

hmm really, which cars already come with them?

theDreamer · 04-19-2012, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by ZMan8

hmm really, which cars already come with them?

GT-R, some Porsches, I believe Ford or maybe GM said they have been putting them in but do not give access to the data to anyone ever.
So far the challenges have been with insurance claims, an insurance company wants the data to challenge someone in court so they can not pay out, but the car manufactures do not want to get involved since they have the access key. Unless this new Government bill requires them to hand over the key or make a universal key then requiring black boxes will do nothing to hurt us initially.

ZMan8 · 04-19-2012, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by theDreamer

GT-R, some Porsches, I believe Ford or maybe GM said they have been putting them in but do not give access to the data to anyone ever.
So far the challenges have been with insurance claims, an insurance company wants the data to challenge someone in court so they can not pay out, but the car manufactures do not want to get involved since they have the access key. Unless this new Government bill requires them to hand over the key or make a universal key then requiring black boxes will do nothing to hurt us initially.

my insurance wanted to monitor my driving habits for $10/month savings ....i told them

theDreamer · 04-19-2012, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by ZMan8

my insurance wanted to monitor my driving habits for $10/month savings ....i told them

Progressive?
Yeah that is the new "in" thing for insurance companies to help reduce your rates, but at the same time track you more. I would hate to see someone pull up my data....

ZMan8 · 04-19-2012, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by theDreamer

Progressive?
Yeah that is the new "in" thing for insurance companies to help reduce your rates, but at the same time track you more. I would hate to see someone pull up my data....

state farm.

1. I dont feel comfortable with someone tracking me
2. I don't want them seeing how I drive.

christian370z · 04-19-2012, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by theDreamer

Progressive?
Yeah that is the new "in" thing for insurance companies to help reduce your rates, but at the same time track you more. I would hate to see someone pull up my data....

Haha, yep same here. I would be uninsurable so fast my head would spin, canyon runs and hwy WOT pulls would do me in.

Sibze · 04-19-2012, 03:24 PM

Ya, I remember when the GTR first came out the black box would record if you ever turned the launch control on, so they could void your warranty

XwChriswX · 04-19-2012, 10:06 PM

Also, Progressives new 'Snapshot' program plugs into your OBD-II port. I can imagine all it's doing is storing your driving habits and such. I bet if you do a couple 100+mph runs on a freeway onramp, they'll see that and ^^^ your rates.

ZMan8 · 04-20-2012, 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Sibze

Ya, I remember when the GTR first came out the black box would record if you ever turned the launch control on, so they could void your warranty

that's right i remember something like that...
"hey we put a cool feature in your car, but you can't use it. Otherwise, we will void your warranty...."

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Sibze A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2009 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 16,202 Drives: In your way Rep Power: 62	Ya, I remember when the GTR first came out the black box would record if you ever turned the launch control on, so they could void your warranty