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Hotrodz · 05-12-2020, 03:56 PM

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She thought it was a good idea to stand watch at the park at 130am to make sure cats dont commit any crimes.

LMAO, she has grown up!

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onzedge · 06-02-2020, 05:57 AM

Gracie always flies in first class...

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Fuzzzy · 06-02-2020, 10:36 AM

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Gracie always flies in first class...

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Stowaway!

onzedge · 06-02-2020, 11:41 AM

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Stowaway!

I pay $125.00 each way for her to fly in the cabin and I have Diamond Medallion status on Delta (an am a 2 million miler). I am not one of those cheaters who claim she is a "support animal". Those people disgust me.

Hotrodz · 06-02-2020, 12:26 PM

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I pay $125.00 each way for her to fly in the cabin and I have Diamond Medallion status on Delta (an am a 2 million miler). I am not one of those cheaters who claim she is a "support animal". Those people disgust me.

LMAO, off all pets are emotional support animals. That is why have them. I work for a behavioral health company and we don't allow them in our clinics.

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Spooler · 06-02-2020, 12:55 PM

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I pay $125.00 each way for her to fly in the cabin and I have Diamond Medallion status on Delta (an am a 2 million miler). I am not one of those cheaters who claim she is a "support animal". Those people disgust me.

How can you tell the ones that really need the dog (support animal) with them and the ones that don't? They may be trained for a special purpose. I may not look disabled but I am. I just don't talk about it. Most folks don't.

JARblue · 06-02-2020, 01:57 PM

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How can you tell the ones that really need the dog (support animal) with them and the ones that don't? They may be trained for a special purpose. I may not look disabled but I am. I just don't talk about it. Most folks don't.

Why do you need to be able to tell them apart to dislike the so-called "cheaters"?

I dislike the fact that companies sell and people buy $50 kits with fake service animal certificates and badges. I don't need to know which individuals are participating in it to dislike them.

If someone is calling them out in person at the airport, that's one thing. But no one's doing that

FL 4Motion · 06-02-2020, 03:05 PM

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Why do you need to be able to tell them apart to dislike the so-called "cheaters"?

I dislike the fact that companies sell and people buy $50 kits with fake service animal certificates and badges. I don't need to know which individuals are participating in it to dislike them.

If someone is calling them out in person at the airport, that's one thing. But no one's doing that

Jar, I think you’re missing spoolers point. We all dislike cheaters, but if you see someone with a support dog you usually can’t just tell who’s legit and whose a cheater so you Nd up hating on both the good and the bad.

There ought to be a way to be able to at least cut down on the cheaters but I honestly don’t have any ideas off the top of my head.

Spooler · 06-02-2020, 04:11 PM

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Jar, I think you’re missing spoolers point. We all dislike cheaters, but if you see someone with a support dog you usually can’t just tell who’s legit and whose a cheater so you Nd up hating on both the good and the bad.

There ought to be a way to be able to at least cut down on the cheaters but I honestly don’t have any ideas off the top of my head.

Yeap, that is the point.

Hotrodz · 06-02-2020, 04:53 PM

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Jar, I think you’re missing spoolers point. We all dislike cheaters, but if you see someone with a support dog you usually can’t just tell who’s legit and whose a cheater so you Nd up hating on both the good and the bad.

There ought to be a way to be able to at least cut down on the cheaters but I honestly don’t have any ideas off the top of my head.

There is no law that gives support animals special status. On the other hand people who own service do get special dispensation because a dog or Sheldon pony are the only animals classified as service animals by law. The are certified and preform a qualifying service such as a seeing eye or hearing dog. The law protects service animal owners and a business owner can only ask two questions...is that a service dog and what service does it provide you? The issue is as Jar points out anyone can get a vest for their dog the reads service dog and if the person is familiar with the law when asked the questions they will say yes and she alerts me if I'm about to have a seizure.

So what can a business owner do under the law? Well the law requires the dog to be under control of its owner at all times. It should not approach other people and jump up on them. They are not to be disruptive other than to alert their handler and they should not relieve themselves or cause any other damage to the business. So that is how you tell the difference...they don't behave! The issue is most businesses don't ask the questions and are afraid to take action. For my staff if the don't ask the questions and take appropriate action when necessary it will result in disciplinary action.

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JARblue · 06-02-2020, 05:16 PM

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Jar, I think you’re missing spoolers point. We all dislike cheaters, but if you see someone with a support dog you usually can’t just tell who’s legit and whose a cheater so you Nd up hating on both the good and the bad.

I'm not missing the point. I'm just pointing out that I don't have to identify the person to dislike their actions. I don't look at people in the airport and get pissed because I think they are lying about their service animal. In truth, IDGAF what they do if it doesn't disturb me or others. But I can still be against the idea of being disingenuous to make money off someone trying to deceive a business.

Hotrodz is spot on. My primary issue with these people is their animals are often ill-behaved. At that point, IDGAF if your dog is a service animal or not - if it's being disruptive in public, I'm going to think you're a disrespectful jerkass, and even more so if you lied about your service animal.

madwi · 06-02-2020, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by FL 4Motion

Jar, I think you’re missing spoolers point. We all dislike cheaters, but if you see someone with a support dog you usually can’t just tell who’s legit and whose a cheater so you Nd up hating on both the good and the bad.

There ought to be a way to be able to at least cut down on the cheaters but I honestly don’t have any ideas off the top of my head.

When they claim the damn emu is a support animal I just dont buy it!

FL 4Motion · 06-02-2020, 05:22 PM

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There is no law that gives support animals special status. On the other hand people who own service do get special dispensation because a dog or Sheldon pony are the only animals classified as service animals by law. The are certified and preform a qualifying service such as a seeing eye or hearing dog. The law protects service animal owners and a business owner can only ask two questions...is that a service dog and what service does it provide you? The issue is as Jar points out anyone can get a vest for their dog the reads service dog and if the person is familiar with the law when asked the questions they will say yes and she alerts me if I'm about to have a seizure.

So what can a business owner do under the law? Well the law requires the dog to be under control of its owner at all times. It should not approach other people and jump up on them. They are not to be disruptive other than to alert their handler and they should not relieve themselves or cause any other damage to the business. So that is how you tell the difference...they don't behave! The issue is most businesses don't ask the questions and are afraid to take action. For my staff if the don't ask the questions and take appropriate action when necessary it will result in disciplinary action.

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One of the problems is that service animals are classified too narrowly and support animals bc they are unregulated, the designation gets misused too often. An emotional support dog for someone with tbi and ptsd gets no special status as you pointed out yet serves just as important a role in that persons life as an officially designated service dog that alerts someone of an impending seizure.

The problem is in the above scenario, the disabled person with the critically important support animal has no legal support for their animal, the people around them can’t just tell why that person needs a support animal, and too many people fake needing a support animal so no one can tell what’s what anymore.

FL 4Motion · 06-02-2020, 05:33 PM

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I'm not missing the point. I'm just pointing out that I don't have to identify the person to dislike their actions. I don't look at people in the airport and get pissed because I think they are lying about their service animal. In truth, IDGAF what they do if it doesn't disturb me or others. But I can still be against the idea of being disingenuous to make money off someone trying to deceive a business.

Hotrodz is spot on. My primary issue with these people is their animals are often ill-behaved. At that point, IDGAF if your dog is a service animal or not - if it's being disruptive in public, I'm going to think you're a disrespectful jerkass, and even more so if you lied about your service animal.

We are all against profiting off lies and cheating, at least I hope so. But while you are not bothered by someone who is disabled but “looks able”, there are many many folks who are and that leads to quite a bit of discrimination.

No ones service or Support animal should or is allowed to be disruptive in public or a business. Treat them like a human patron/citizen, you disrupt a restaurant, you get told to leave, if your animal does same, same outcome. Real service and support animals are trained and are very rarely disruptive. And on the rare occasion it happens, the person almost always is super embarrassed and voluntarily leaves.

You can tell the fakers not just bc the animals are poorly behaved but also bc the humans act rude and entitled.

JARblue · 06-02-2020, 05:39 PM

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But while you are not bothered by someone who is disabled but “looks able”, there are many many folks who are and that leads to quite a bit of discrimination.

People like to judge others. I don't understand why being discriminatory and negative is better than trying to understand from their perspective.

I deal with accessibility building codes for a living. It's amazing how often I tell someone a code requirement and they say it's the most ridiculous thing they've ever heard of. Then I explain how the requirement actually removes the architectural barrier and makes the element accessible to people with certain disabilities they hadn't thought of. All of a sudden it's ok.

Why does something have to be ridiculous just because you don't understand it?

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