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Originally Posted by cossie1600 It's the CCP government, it wouldn't surprise me. The lab would use the animals, the company or person that is supposed to dispose of them decided

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Old 04-21-2020, 09:57 PM   #1576 (permalink)
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It's the CCP government, it wouldn't surprise me. The lab would use the animals, the company or person that is supposed to dispose of them decided it would be a good idea to make a few bucks at the wet market.
That's one of the things I read about back in Feb. The lab techs after they get done with the animals. And the animals are useless to them. Take the bats to the wet market and sell them for some extra cash. The other thing I read. After they get done with the animals. They throw the animals into the trash. The trash is outside outside of the lab in the open air. They sit there until the trash gets picked up.
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No one knows what the true rate is, but forget about the mortality rate. If we talk about the infected rate, say even 2% or 3%, that's already a lot of people, especially in the span of two months.



I already told you unemployment is available for contract workers. The only ones that can't are under the table people or illegal immigrants. You still haven't answer my question. Even if we didn't go into lockdown and at the rate of the infection, how many people will lose their job anyway and possibly get sick. I already told you most companies are not going to keep their doors open when employees drop like flies. They don't have big enough pockets to pay for their sick leave or the deductible for STD or LTD. STD and LTD are not full pay either.



I filed unemployment in CT. There are programs to avoid immediate problem. Tons of people already elected rent/mortgage deferrals. The whole idea is to ride this out and hope to go back to work once everything is more controlled.



The study got tore down by many experts. There were many holes in that article, but I will give you one that irks me the most. The test kit used was marketed by a Minnesota company, but it was manufactured and sold by a Chinese company. It had one of the least accurate result of any test on the market. There was also problem with the population not random and people behind it had agendas to push.

https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/04/...ll-an-apology/
That Stanford Study is getting a lot more traction now.
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This talks more about it. Not a random population, not peered review, not accurate test kits (I am not trusting any biotech from China sorry). It's been 20 years since I did statistics, I think there are red flags all over it. Regardless, let's watch GA open up the bowling alleys bars and restaurants Monday. They will test it out for us. I wish we could just shut the Delta flights coming out of Atlanta


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I’m in NY (upstate, not NYC). NYC has a dangerous situation: massive population density, incompetent leadership, failure to aggressively quarantine early on. My county is largely unaffected. I have been furloughed indefinitely since 3/23. I have called NY department of labor over 200 times a day for 3 weeks now - still can’t get through to complete an unemployment application. Our system is totally overwhelmed.
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This talks more about it. Not a random population, not peered review, not accurate test kits (I am not trusting any biotech from China sorry). It's been 20 years since I did statistics, I think there are red flags all over it. Regardless, let's watch GA open up the bowling alleys bars and restaurants Monday. They will test it out for us. I wish we could just shut the Delta flights coming out of Atlanta


https://www.wired.com/story/new-covi...re-they-right/
There is a law suit against Delta for not refunding money to people that have cancelled their flights. American Airlines won't refund your money too. We have/had an Alaskan cruise scheduled in Sept. AA won't refund our money for the flight.
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Also read tonight that there is 30 different strains of the virus now. I know before there was 9. The more strains. The harder to make a vaccine.

What gets me. They tell us, no need for a mask until about 2 weeks ago. Now you can't go out without one. I've been working my normal schedule of 5 days a week. I work part time at Home Depot. I'm out in the public. No one at the store is sick or tested positive for the virus. Most us feel that if we was going to get it. We would have had it by now. Our sales numbers are up, and foot traffic has stayed about the same. Starting last Sunday. We limit the number of people into the store to 75 at a time. My county has 67 cases, and 3 dead. 90% of the cases are at a couple of nursing homes. A few are outside of them.
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Also read tonight that there is 30 different strains of the virus now. I know before there was 9. The more strains. The harder to make a vaccine.

What gets me. They tell us, no need for a mask until about 2 weeks ago. Now you can't go out without one. I've been working my normal schedule of 5 days a week. I work part time at Home Depot. I'm out in the public. No one at the store is sick or tested positive for the virus. Most us feel that if we was going to get it. We would have had it by now. Our sales numbers are up, and foot traffic has stayed about the same. Starting last Sunday. We limit the number of people into the store to 75 at a time. My county has 67 cases, and 3 dead. 90% of the cases are at a couple of nursing homes. A few are outside of them.

Whats the total population of your county?
If all can be tested then we can actually see how bad the situation is.
Possibly millions are positive but no symptoms.

Should that be caused for alarm?

Our hospital has 11 positive 8 deaths in the county.

One nursing home alone has 87 cases patients and employees.

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Whats the total population of your county?
If all can be tested then we can actually see how bad the situation is.
Possibly millions are positive but no symptoms.

Should that be caused for alarm?

Our hospital has 11 positive 8 deaths in the county.

One nursing home alone has 87 cases patients and employees.

Im tired of being shotgun target! I want my life back..,,car meets...races...strippers.
There is about 150,000 in my county.
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150,000 strippers?! Damn man. How have you not had a heart attack already?
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Well he used to be one of the strippers in his hay days in life!

Very sad story...but look at him now with all the single $ he collected he got himself a million dollar motorhome! I wonder how many years/centuries he did that?

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It won't surprise me when we find out the covid mortality rate isn't that bad (closer to 1% like influenza) but that something like 90% of the world's population contracted it.
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Would be nice if the government made decisions to halt required payments on mortgages, vehicle and credit card loans, water and utilities, with payments added to the end of a loan or added pro-rata over future payments.

Begin the conversation for programs for those that won't be able to get back in their jobs prior to the pandemic to address the above in the future.
The financial destruction caused by this virus is going to echo longer than the health crisis for the country and the world as a whole.

For better or for worse, there are most likely going to be very serious discussions about he policy directions we as a country want to go in. And what we expect from our elected leaders who are supposed to represent all of our interests are.

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It won't surprise me when we find out the covid mortality rate isn't that bad (closer to 1% like influenza) but that something like 90% of the world's population contracted it.
Negative, Italy had already proven how bad this really can be, and our mortality rate as well, remember, even if the numbers of survivors goes up, so do the deaths, our accuracy of tracking this virus is similar to seasonal flu stats, we miss shitloads of those cases too, but the sampling gives a decent estimate.

Don’t forget it’s not just about deaths either, it’s about possible permanent health complications for the recovered as well.
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Italy ...

... the sampling gives a decent estimate.

Don’t forget it’s not just about deaths either, it’s about possible permanent health complications for the recovered as well.
First, Italy is not an analogy for any other country in the world. The high numbers of smokers and elderly population make their statistics essentially useless to the rest of the world.

Secondly, the sampling is still mostly useless when it comes to determining statistics. We need to sample a hell of a lot more people. At this point we are still pretty much flying blind and making guesses as to how things are going to go.

Your last statement is going to be the determining factor of how bad this thing really is IMO. There's got to be dozens variations of the virus based on the varied human responses we are seeing. We still have a lot to learn
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First, Italy is not an analogy for any other country in the world. The high numbers of smokers and elderly population make their statistics essentially useless to the rest of the world.

Secondly, the sampling is still mostly useless when it comes to determining statistics. We need to sample a hell of a lot more people. At this point we are still pretty much flying blind and making guesses as to how things are going to go.

Your last statement is going to be the determining factor of how bad this thing really is IMO. There's got to be dozens variations of the virus based on the varied human responses we are seeing. We still have a lot to learn
Fair point about Italy, kinda of was a perfect storm with their population.

I still think we’re going to be looking at around 1% - 2% mortality rate when we finally get good numbers at some point. It’s bad, but it’s still not Ebola bad, if it were, half of us here would be dead by now.

Nevertheless, it’s serious and it’s social disruption factor is off the charts. That aspect may not calm down until there’s a vaccine or everyone just gets used to it, fear of the unknown has def played a big role in this as well.
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Fair point about Italy, kinda of was a perfect storm with their population.

I still think we’re going to be looking at around 1% - 2% mortality rate when we finally get good numbers at some point. It’s bad, but it’s still not Ebola bad, if it were, half of us here would be dead by now.

Nevertheless, it’s serious and it’s social disruption factor is off the charts. That aspect may not calm down until there’s a vaccine or everyone just gets used to it, fear of the unknown has def played a big role in this as well.
To be fair, other locations are quickly approaching Italy's rates, which isn't a good sign. Look at Spain and UK and France now. New York is right there, too. I'm not suggesting it won't get that bad. It is early. Who knows where we go from here. That was my main point - we don't really have enough information to make any solid judgments yet. Next summer, I expect we'll have a pretty good understanding of what the virus was doing right now lol.

I was just saying I won't be surprised if the mortality rates are inflated because so many people get infected that aren't ever tested. Testing as many people as possible and research for treatment are the critical things right now. No point in even talking about statistics, frankly. We know they are bad and that's all we need to know right now.
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