CoronaVirus

Rusty · 04-21-2020, 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by cossie1600

If they paid their taxes, they get 40-50% pay + $600 a week. For folks making less than $20 an hour, they are going to pretty much get equal pay.

What state you live in?

Unemployment here here is $600 max rate for 26 weeks. Most won't make that. Toss the gov't money on top of that. How is that going to replace the money that some are 6 figure incomes? That's over $10,000 a month. When your standard of living was based on that income. You have bills to match. The house, cars, kids college, etc.

JLarson · 04-21-2020, 07:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Rusty

If you are working and have money coming in and have health insurance. good for you. I'm looking at my neighbors with no income, no health insurance, about ready to lose their homes. If they lose their homes. Can they move in with you guys? You are going to see a massive amount of personal bankruptcies in the coming months. Things go on into June. You will see robberies sky rocket. People torching their cars for insurance money. This will be a repeat of the early 1980''s when the steel mills and coal mines closed up here.

This. I do not doubt for a moment that you are correct. Like I said yesterday, this heralds unprecedented economic collapse. It's madness that it's gone so quickly from normalcy to this state, and shows the fragility of the system to which we belong.

cossie1600 · 04-20-2020, 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by DLSTR

No modern society is close to that reality. Africa yes. Europe, Asia and US not close. 2 more weeks etc of lock down would not and will not end the world. From the things i read most people in major countries respect and support social distancing and closure to gain control of the pandemic.

When your child gains the virus and dies when its preventable than you might think differently. Science is the answer to this situation not politics. Read the history of 1918 pandemic. The answers and techniques used worked and do today. Its science not fear mongering.

Did German go into shelter in place? I believe they did? I think you guys have enough test kits and medical equipment to start opening back up right?

cossie1600 · 04-20-2020, 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Spooler

Better yet, when you get to the point that you can't afford food. Your kids are hungry and crying. The virus won't matter, you will just want to go back to work. That is where we are headed.

I am going to ignore unemployment and other safety net. I am going to ask you this.

How many people who wants to work will have a job to go back to even if we didn't go into shelter in place? Disneyland employees? Film Production Crews? Furniture Stores? Casino workers? NBA games? You don't think guests will stop going at some point after 5% of the population is taken out by the virus? Some thinks the problem is as easy as eliminating grandma, grandpa, healthcare workers and the other sick people, but economics is more complex than that. If you are going to send people to their graves, at least make their death worth while.

Also do you get unemployment if you get reduced hours instead of full furlough?

cv129 · 04-20-2020, 11:01 PM

We are caught between a rock and a hard place

Spooler · 04-20-2020, 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by cv129

We are caught between a rock and a hard place

Yes we are.

cv129 · 04-21-2020, 12:22 AM

I personally have no problem extending this stay-at-home thing, but I also know it’s causing permanent financial damages to many other less fortunate families. A balance has to be achieved no doubt. Where that balance is? Hard to tell...sigh

The quicker we get to everybody wearing face coverings, the faster we can slow this bleeding and gradually opening the economy back up. But we still need to prepare for when covid19 numbers spiking back up after reopening. Hopefully it doesn’t tick up so much that we need another round of stay-at-home.

When the order is lifted, I imagine it’ll still be a very long time before retail and some service industries will get back to normal. Smaller fishes are getting killed much faster than bigger fishes.

For some, the tipping point is a 2 weeks ago, while others are just enjoying the vacation.

We may need to monitor numbers of home invasion or burglary type of crimes.

cv129 · 04-21-2020, 12:38 AM

Saw a thread about track day reopening. Don’t want turn that into covid opinion so I’ll do it here.

I actually think it’s crucial for some of these activities to open back up sooner than later.

For track days, maybe limit only to advanced run group, so no baby sitting is required, no classroom instructions needed....nobody needs close contacts with others.

May even help with oil price (tongue and cheek).

Help money flow from the ones that can spare, to those that really need it.

cossie1600 · 04-21-2020, 01:05 AM

You might want to check, CARES act specifically says that contract workers are included

https://ogletree.com/insights/the-ca...d-gig-workers/

If in an emergency, you can borrow or loan from your 401K without penalty as the last resort.

Spooler · 04-21-2020, 07:26 AM

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Originally Posted by cossie1600

You might want to check, CARES act specifically says that contract workers are included

https://ogletree.com/insights/the-ca...d-gig-workers/

If in an emergency, you can borrow or loan from your 401K without penalty as the last resort.

LOL, do you think for one minute that folks who struggle from paycheck to paycheck have a 401k? If you can't file for unemployment, how are you going to collect the Cares act money?

Everybody looks back at the Spanish Flue outbreak for comparison in 1917. Do you remember what came next in the 1920's? It was the Great Depression.

Zoren 370 · 04-21-2020, 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Spooler

LOL, do you think for one minute that folks who struggle from paycheck to paycheck have a 401k? If you can't file for unemployment, how are you going to collect the Cares act money?

Everybody looks back at the Spanish Flue outbreak for comparison in 1917. Do you remember what came next in the 1920's? It was the Great Depression.

Yup after that World War 1 and 2.

If indeed the Chinese created this virus out of a laboratory somewhere in the US.
Do you think you would still need your guns?

Its gonna be a war of push buttons starts!! Let the race begins in the skyies

Bam!!! Fell off the chair!

Thank goodness It was all a bad dream and woke up..While I had a sudden snoozee with eyes open while my boss is preaching!

DaveZ03 · 04-21-2020, 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Zoren 370

If indeed the Chinese created this virus out of a laboratory somewhere in the US.....

Not sure if you were serious with your assumption on this being lab created, but...

https://www.npr.org/2020/04/14/83410...-clues-in-bats

Zoren 370 · 04-21-2020, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by DaveZ03

Not sure if you were serious with your assumption on this being lab created, but...

https://www.npr.org/2020/04/14/83410...-clues-in-bats

No Im not serious and honestly when someone shared me a video of a documentary that speaks about it...btw it was immediately shut down at social media.

I didn’t believe it at all...very hard to verify validity and reliability of all information at this point about covid19.

I don’t even believe the article you posted either..everything is being fabricated.

I just live my life everyday and speak thanksgiving for seeing the sun again.

asht · 04-21-2020, 05:12 AM

A number of us have started questioning the official figures being published by individual countries and I have to agree somewhat.

Believe it or not the US has probably published the most accurate if a 4.5% mortality rate is to be believed. They are currently hovering around 5%

Sweden who a lot are banging on in Europe about having no lockdown is over 10% mortality

UK is around 13%

Italy around 20%

So what is actually right? We know the tests aren’t that accurate and having too many false positives and false negatives. Are they just attributing deaths to Covid-19 without testing them, because patients have shown some symptoms that could be attributed to something else?

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JARblue · 04-21-2020, 05:17 AM

Mortality rates are exaggerated due to the unknown number of infected persons. There are no accurate mortality rates yet, and there won't be any until we start testing people that are asymptomatic en masse.

04-20-2020, 11:01 PM	#5 (permalink)
cv129 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 3,271 Drives: 09 Nismo, 16 Nismo Rep Power: 163996	We are caught between a rock and a hard place __________________ Setrab \| RE-71 \| SPL \| JRZ \| Nismo \| ARK \| Whiteline \| RacingBrake \| CJM Oil Pan \| Ti shield

04-21-2020, 12:22 AM	#7 (permalink)
cv129 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 3,271 Drives: 09 Nismo, 16 Nismo Rep Power: 163996	I personally have no problem extending this stay-at-home thing, but I also know it’s causing permanent financial damages to many other less fortunate families. A balance has to be achieved no doubt. Where that balance is? Hard to tell...sigh The quicker we get to everybody wearing face coverings, the faster we can slow this bleeding and gradually opening the economy back up. But we still need to prepare for when covid19 numbers spiking back up after reopening. Hopefully it doesn’t tick up so much that we need another round of stay-at-home. When the order is lifted, I imagine it’ll still be a very long time before retail and some service industries will get back to normal. Smaller fishes are getting killed much faster than bigger fishes. For some, the tipping point is a 2 weeks ago, while others are just enjoying the vacation. We may need to monitor numbers of home invasion or burglary type of crimes. __________________ Setrab \| RE-71 \| SPL \| JRZ \| Nismo \| ARK \| Whiteline \| RacingBrake \| CJM Oil Pan \| Ti shield

04-21-2020, 12:38 AM	#8 (permalink)
cv129 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 3,271 Drives: 09 Nismo, 16 Nismo Rep Power: 163996	Saw a thread about track day reopening. Don’t want turn that into covid opinion so I’ll do it here. I actually think it’s crucial for some of these activities to open back up sooner than later. For track days, maybe limit only to advanced run group, so no baby sitting is required, no classroom instructions needed....nobody needs close contacts with others. May even help with oil price (tongue and cheek). Help money flow from the ones that can spare, to those that really need it. __________________ Setrab \| RE-71 \| SPL \| JRZ \| Nismo \| ARK \| Whiteline \| RacingBrake \| CJM Oil Pan \| Ti shield

04-21-2020, 05:17 AM	#15 (permalink)
JARblue A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Austin, TX Age: 44 Posts: 36,450 Drives: 11 Z34, 98 E36 M3 Rep Power: 2684441	Mortality rates are exaggerated due to the unknown number of infected persons. There are no accurate mortality rates yet, and there won't be any until we start testing people that are asymptomatic en masse. __________________ 2011 370Z 6MT Sport Gun Metallic \| ARC \| CJM \| Ecutek \| FI \| Fujimura \| R2C \| SPL \| Stillen \| TWM \| Z1 \| ZSpeed \|

04-21-2020, 01:05 AM	#9 (permalink)
cossie1600 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: californee way Posts: 5,380 Drives: 370, Leaf Rep Power: 31	You might want to check, CARES act specifically says that contract workers are included https://ogletree.com/insights/the-ca...d-gig-workers/ If in an emergency, you can borrow or loan from your 401K without penalty as the last resort.

04-21-2020, 05:12 AM	#14 (permalink)
asht Enthusiast Member Join Date: Jul 2017 Location: Essex, UK Posts: 494 Drives: 2010 370z Roadster Rep Power: 117450	A number of us have started questioning the official figures being published by individual countries and I have to agree somewhat. Believe it or not the US has probably published the most accurate if a 4.5% mortality rate is to be believed. They are currently hovering around 5% Sweden who a lot are banging on in Europe about having no lockdown is over 10% mortality UK is around 13% Italy around 20% So what is actually right? We know the tests aren’t that accurate and having too many false positives and false negatives. Are they just attributing deaths to Covid-19 without testing them, because patients have shown some symptoms that could be attributed to something else? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk