CoronaVirus

Ghostvette

Probably...

I think the next problem is that certain governors will have a hard time letting go of their personal 'kingdom'. As long as they think that there is even one person out there with the CCP virus, they'll use that as an excuse to keep people 'confined to quarters'. We, the people, aren't going to stand for that very long.

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bunk

MSM is already spinning the Michigan protest as a protest against shelter in place. No... it was a protest against Gretchens iron fist trying to control EVERYTHING including what people can and can not buy.
The left is using the current events as a way to slowly get sheeple used to socialism. The gf can already see this coming from a mile away, since she knows what real socialism looks like.

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Ghostvette

There is a "shutdown" protest in Missouri scheduled for next Tuesday & one in Kansas next Thursday. We've already started a recall petition against Gov. Kelly. I'm hoping my chitbox will make it to Topeka.... No way I'm takin' the Z, not with a personalized plate on it..... and all the firepower inside.....

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Rusty

It will take forever to pay this off. Believe it took the UK to 2007 to pay off their WW2 dept.

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ZCanadian

Do what you want, but with the realization that coming out 2 weeks too early means more deaths and shutting down the economy a second time, for longer, with more stimulus spending. Also means (if the above happens) that the US will be behind the rest of the world in terms of economic recovery and the ability to travel freely again. And that many businesses/individuals who are badly hurting now will be lost.

You've (mostly) done a great job it knocking this virus back in the last 2-3 weeks. But it means that for places like NYC the curve is flattening - not going away, but you're getting to the top of the crest of the wave. You need it to go down the other side, or 2,500 deaths a day will be the norm for months to come. Other places are just beginning to see the surge in cases and hospitalizations. Without proper testing (you're at about 1% of the population so far, which is great, but some of those tests are now 5 weeks old and irrelevant anymore) you don't have a good picture as to when it is safe to start moving around again. Even when it is, "free" movement will be impossilbe. There will be a new normal for another 12 to 18 months at least, until a vaccine or cure is found, or there is significant herd immunity from those who have had mild cases.

To do so would mean that every life lost, every penny spent to date, would be in vain.
Maybe to put it in more relevant terms, this is like the first Gulf War. Leaving Saddam Hussein in charge only lead to a second, much worse one. Repeating this folly here, with the mistaken impression that you know more than the experts advising your leaders, will have the same results.

Ghostvette

I'm not claiming to know more than the experts, I'm just saying that some governors are using this as carte blanche to trample the rights of the people. I'll make it real simple; A quarantine is for sick people, imprisonment is for healthy people. What we have going on now is imprisonment. There is ample proof that this is not overwhelming the hospitals where I live and several other states. 85%+ of the state of Kansas is rural, and 'social distance' as a matter of course, yet they have maybe 1 case per county. Is that justification to make them stay home? No. In the county where I live, 90% of the cases are in 2 zip codes or one city, Olathe. (Google it.) The demographics of that city are such that the large portion of the population are Hispanic, with about 30% of the Hispanic population being illegals. The illegals probably have a high incident of this because they won't seek health care because they might be asked about their immigration status.

We have a tinpot dictator that pretends she is a governor. She has already stated that she will not comply with the President's recommendations to reopen the state. She wants to see ZERO cases before she will ALLOW the state to conduct business. THAT CANNOT STAND. Nothing in our Constitution says that our rights are vacated in the event of a pandemic. The rights codified in the Constitution are rights granted by our Creator, not the government, a concept I'm not sure you fully grasp. Freedom is dangerous, that is the nature of the beast.

In practical reality, the CCP virus has been around since late November. With the symptoms given; fever, chest congestion, unproductive cough, I've already had this virus. I had it between Christmas & New Year when I was on vacation. There is not this level of hysteria over the annual flu, which kills more people. I question the number of people dying from this, considering NYC said everyone that died had the CCP virus, even though they didn't test them. That's controlling the narrative.....

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JARblue

You have the right to move to another state with mandates in place that you do agree with

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NeverBoneStck

You already had this virus? If I missed it can you post your test kit showing that you did? Or any proof you did??

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JARblue

There are no curves flattening yet. If you actually look at the statistics. Except for China

Island nations like Iceland, New Zealand, and Australia are the closest to even seeing the beginnings of a flattening curve. It will take a month or more to see noticeable changes in the statistics if they are indeed flattening.

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-ZS-Carpenter

If it's ok for me to work, building crap that could wait a month or two, they should be playing baseball Not every single project is truly essential, 75% or more could wait hurting nothing but bank accounts If I have to trudge out there they can go play in empty stadiums.

I was talking to a guy during the pour yesterday. He was at a college testing concrete the day before for air conditioner pads on a building that will open in 2024. Anyone care to explain how that is essential?

Bring back baseball

geeteezee

lol, you cannot compare deaths from the flu with covid, that's ridiculous. Mortality rates of covid are estimated to be between 2 and 4% while seasonal influenza is below 0.1%.
In addition, the ease of transmission (R0) is higher with covid (2-3) as compared to the flu (1.3). (Yes I realize I'm comparing the flu to covid, lul)

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Ghostvette

You are looking at the wrong numbers. You are comparing deaths with known cases, that will always give an inaccurate number. Even the 'experts' are saying they don't know how many have had this and had either no symptoms/mild symptoms and recovered quickly. Until there is an anti-body test developed, saying that the CCP virus will kill 2-4% of those it infects is ludicrous.

Let's throw some things out, just for chits & giggles.

Average age of person that dies from CCP virus: 75
Average age of people at death during normal times: 75

What can be deduced from those statements? In reality, not a damn thing. People die when the body and spirit gives up, nothing is going to change that. We don't suspend life because people die. I didn't quit living when I lost my grandparents and I'm not going to quit living when my parents pass. If I did that, my dad when come back from the dead and kick my azz.... guaranteed.

I'm not a hard-hearted bastard, (regardless of what others may say)... all I'm saying is that we have allowed a bunch of people that claim to be experts wipe out our lives for no real good reason. I was raised that when you were sick, you stayed home until you were better. You didn't go dragging your sick azz all over the countryside, you didn't drag your sick kids all over creation to cough and sneeze all over everything, you stayed your azz home. How is this different? I'm not sick, I'm not staying home. PERIOD.

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DaveZ03

This. If people take away anything from this towards a positive change, this could have a HUGE impact on how we deal with other pandemics (because there will be others). Sadly, it's highly improbable that enough people will change their behaviors in the future to make any noticeable dent in future outcomes.

JARblue

Best case scenario is a bunch of them die off so we can try to make that dent noticeable in future outcomes

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NecioVato

I'm hoping we learn - from a 'common sense' to also from the way we do business as a whole. To have such a high percentage of our goods made in one place just seems like a disaster waiting to happen. While I know outsourcing is the way of the world, I believe if we are smart, we will look to have multiple countries involved or we will look to make some of these goods here to not deal with shortages etc.

Here was a story in the Dallas Morning News which was interesting but definitely speaks volume of $ > Everything.

https://www.dallasnews.com/news/watc...7-guess-again/