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Luminar, a maker of sensor tech for self-driving cars, went public today. The founder, Austin Russell, who started the company when he dropped out of Stanford at 17, is now a billionaire.

In light of the relentless push towards autonomous cars and trucks, I have a few questions/thoughts, which I'm hoping you all can answer and/or add to; as these inventions will seriously affect our driving habits.

1. Will computer-operated cars (COCs) be designed to drive at the speed of traffic, or obey posted limits, whatever they may be?

2. Will COCs only roll in the right lane(s)? Or will they clog the left?

3. Will COCs respond like humans and get out of the way when a vehicle is approaching their rear at a high closing rate, or will they plod along in the lane they're already in?

4. How will COCs handle inclement weather, such as heavy fog, rain, or snow, which has a measurable effect on Lidar and camera imaging?

5. In an accident involving a COC, how will insurance companies handle the blame? Will the COC insurers insist that because their COCs aren't capable of error, that the human driver of the other car must be 100% at fault?

6. How will laser jamming parking assist systems affect Lidar-guided COCs?

Hoping for answers and more questions.

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Luminar, a maker of sensor tech for self-driving cars, went public today. The founder, Austin Russell, who started the company when he dropped out of Stanford at 17, is now a billionaire.

In light of the relentless push towards autonomous cars and trucks, I have a few questions/thoughts, which I'm hoping you all can answer and/or add to; as these inventions will seriously affect our driving habits.

1. Will computer-operated cars (COCs) be designed to drive at the speed of traffic, or obey posted limits, whatever they may be?

2. Will COCs only roll in the right lane(s)? Or will they clog the left?

3. Will COCs respond like humans and get out of the way when a vehicle is approaching their rear at a high closing rate, or will they plod along in the lane they're already in?

4. How will COCs handle inclement weather, such as heavy fog, rain, or snow, which has a measurable effect on Lidar and camera imaging?

5. In an accident involving a COC, how will insurance companies handle the blame? Will the COC insurers insist that because their COCs aren't capable of error, that the human driver of the other car must be 100% at fault?

6. How will laser jamming parking assist systems affect Lidar-guided COCs?

Hoping for answers and more questions.

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One of the ways I heard traffic was to be controlled is that the cars talk amongst themselves or they are all on a network and can alter speeds and lanes depending on what is coming up on them or in front of them ect.

Snow had been an issue but there is new tech that is helping to mitigate it. Please dont ask me for specifics as I am remember articles I had read and who knows how true the sources are.
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One of the ways I heard traffic was to be controlled is that the cars talk amongst themselves or they are all on a network and can alter speeds and lanes depending on what is coming up on them or in front of them ect.

Snow had been an issue but there is new tech that is helping to mitigate it. Please dont ask me for specifics as I am remember articles I had read and who knows how true the sources are.
The 'interoperability' or 'all on a network' is what I read in a Popular Mechanics article (It was either that or Popular Science... let's just call it a magazine in the doctor's office).

There would have to be way better security on an inter-car network than what is currently on most IT systems. We've all read the articles about the C-level 'wonder-child' that clicked on a phishing link in an email and crashed the entire company network.

Might be fun to take a hand-held laser and see if you can jack with the lidar sensor.....
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One of the ways I heard traffic was to be controlled is that the cars talk amongst themselves or they are all on a network and can alter speeds and lanes depending on what is coming up on them or in front of them ect.

Snow had been an issue but there is new tech that is helping to mitigate it. Please dont ask me for specifics as I am remember articles I had read and who knows how true the sources are.
This is a very complicated subject and it ultimately comes down to: It really depends on how much control that information has on the car's ability to operate, however you must know everything MUST be fact-checked by lidar regardless. It would NEVER rely on or trust other cars. We're no longer talking about worst case scenario your account information gets leaked (which happens WAY more often than you'd think, remember people never use the same password for different services), but rather several ton death machines.

As a software developer who specializes in networking, let's just say I will never own a car that is on a network.
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This is a very complicated subject and it ultimately comes down to: It really depends on how much control that information has on the car's ability to operate, however you must know everything MUST be fact-checked by lidar regardless. It would NEVER rely on or trust other cars. We're no longer talking about worst case scenario your account information gets leaked (which happens WAY more often than you'd think, remember people never use the same password for different services), but rather several ton death machines.

As a software developer who specializes in networking, let's just say I will never own a car that is on a network.
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This is a very complicated subject and it ultimately comes down to: It really depends on how much control that information has on the car's ability to operate, however you must know everything MUST be fact-checked by lidar regardless. It would NEVER rely on or trust other cars. We're no longer talking about worst case scenario your account information gets leaked (which happens WAY more often than you'd think, remember people never use the same password for different services), but rather several ton death machines.

As a software developer who specializes in networking, let's just say I will never own a car that is on a network.
The only way I could remotely see this working is if computer piloted vehicles operated on highways that were completely independent of human piloted vehicles. Othewise, the fools and idiots attempting to drive their cars will do what fools and idiots do... crash.
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What happens if I slow down until the autonomous car moves over to pass me and then I speed up until it gets back behind me and then do that repeatedly?
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What happens if I match the speed of the autonomous car exactly while moving over slowly towards it?
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Back in the day when I was drinking HEAVY. I swear my car knew the way home after leaving the bar. Because there was times I woke up in the driveway and don't remember how I got there.

Glad those days are over with.
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Back in the day when I was drinking HEAVY. I swear my car knew the way home after leaving the bar. Because there was times I woke up in the driveway and don't remember how I got there.

Glad those days are over with.

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How you like to wake up around noon. Hear a motor running. You know that motor sound. Get dress, go down the stairs. Go out to the driveway to your car. It's your car that is running. Plus it's a 4 speed. Go back inside and ask mom and dad why they didn't shut it off. Dad replies that it's not his car. Mom said that it's been running since I came home around 5am. Dad said he figures it will shut off when it runs out of gas.
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Luminar, a maker of sensor tech for self-driving cars, went public today. The founder, Austin Russell, who started the company when he dropped out of Stanford at 17, is now a billionaire.

In light of the relentless push towards autonomous cars and trucks, I have a few questions/thoughts, which I'm hoping you all can answer and/or add to; as these inventions will seriously affect our driving habits.

1. Will computer-operated cars (COCs) be designed to drive at the speed of traffic, or obey posted limits, whatever they may be?


Yes, but they’re looking at making a train of them running close to each other on the highway at very high speeds in a special dedicated lane. The cars on secondary roads can see/read the posted speed limit signs and programmed to obey.



2. Will COCs only roll in the right lane(s)? Or will they clog the left?


We’ll be stuck in the right, left lane will be dedicated to the COCs (see previous answer as to why). Also, the goal is clearly to make POV more and more “inconvenient” to own so we lose our constitutional right of freedom of movement and are at the mercy of big government and big tech which are in cohoots on this issue (as well as the surveillance state issue, which is tied to this issue as well).



3. Will COCs respond like humans and get out of the way when a vehicle is approaching their rear at a high closing rate, or will they plod along in the lane they're already in?


They will obey the speed limit most likely, that means they won’t yield to faster traffic most likely.


4. How will COCs handle inclement weather, such as heavy fog, rain, or snow, which has a measurable effect on Lidar and camera imaging?


Tech is improving constantly, within 10 years or so, probably won’t be an issue.



5. In an accident involving a COC, how will insurance companies handle the blame? Will the COC insurers insist that because their COCs aren't capable of error, that the human driver of the other car must be 100% at fault?


No, the rules of the road and how fault is determined now don’t need to change, so whichever car, or percentage of each car deeed at fault can still be assessed like normal. However, with a COC, no points or penalty would go to owner/operator bc no steering wheel/not actually driving. There’s talk that w/o a steering wheel or gas and brake, no more need for DLs anymore, just sheep to be shuttled to and fro.

A better question to ask is how will POVs be insured in this environment if insurance companies determine that COCs are way lower risk and being human (driver) is too risky to insure...


6. How will laser jamming parking assist systems affect Lidar-guided COCs?


I got nothing.


Hoping for answers and more questions.

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See above for my take.

I will add though that the full level 5 autonomous COC car with no wheel or pedals no driver input at all is farther away than 10 years simply bc of liability issues, insurance issues, and mass adoption, scrapping of all the old cars, were looking at 20 plus years most likely at least here in the USA. In Europe or China though, they can pass laws that immediately ban non COC cars at any time to force/speed up adoption just l8ke they’ve banned ice cars as of 2030. The problem then becomes all auto manufacturers will quit making POVs bc they want to keep market share and USA is smaller market than China and especially when combined with Europe.
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You get Fvcked up the azz and a train of COCs runs a train on you.

Or, in other words for you: “best $15 I ever spent!”
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