Help! Cai dry filter vs regular

TerribleONE · 01-15-2015, 12:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wsarver

I never researched the topic to be honest. I have just always used K&n because that's what was always most available to me. Any reason you say that?

Keeps your MAFs oil free, and just so much easier to deal with. Pull the filters hose them out, let them dry in the sun for a little and your good to go. I am not saying that K&N filters are bad, I just prefer a dry setup. Run them in my DD and the Z with no issues.

Joker_J · 01-15-2015, 12:41 PM

Would the decision help if I live in a wet state? hahaha xD

Japanjay · 01-15-2015, 05:46 PM

AFE custom ProDry. You can get them custom made to the spec and size you want, so you can actually get a longer and bigger around filter in that cavity if you so choose. I am planning on going this route later this year. More filter surface area.

SwissCheese · 01-15-2015, 08:49 PM

I've been debating between the wet and dry filters for the Stillen Gen 3 for almost a week now!

It looks like the dry filters on the Stillen kit are AEM. How do these compare to the AFE filters?

Also, how well do the dry filters handle water? Do you need a hydro-shield (or whatever it's called)?

Also also, is there any kind of performance difference between dry and wet filters?

So many questions!

Tadpole · 01-15-2015, 09:49 PM

Yea I have the Takeda/AFE dry filters on mine. I have had K&N's in the past and haven't really noticed much of a difference between the two. I prefer the dry filters because all you need to do is wash them then let them dry. No oiling to mess with. I clean mine every six months

MicntaeG35 · 01-15-2015, 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Joker_J

I would like to know as well lol
Also, say I wanted to change to Dry Filter and I have the wet one. I can always change right?

Yea. You could change from dry to oiled or oiled to dry at any time

MicntaeG35 · 01-15-2015, 11:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SwissCheese

I've been debating between the wet and dry filters for the Stillen Gen 3 for almost a week now!

It looks like the dry filters on the Stillen kit are AEM. How do these compare to the AFE filters?

Also, how well do the dry filters handle water? Do you need a hydro-shield (or whatever it's called)?

Also also, is there any kind of performance difference between dry and wet filters?

So many questions!

No air filter handles water well, whether it's oiled or dry. As far as performance difference, not really. The only thing is, a clean filter performs better than a dirty filter. And difference between afe and aem, I couldn't tell you. The only dry filter I've ever used is the r2c filter and it's outstanding!

mishuko · 01-16-2015, 06:59 AM

i thought the gen 3's came with k&n... and at the stillen website you have the option or oiled or dry...

Joker_J · 01-16-2015, 08:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MicntaeG35

Yea. You could change from dry to oiled or oiled to dry at any time

NICE!
I think I may try the Wet filter for about a year and see how I like it lol

Jordo! · 01-16-2015, 08:25 AM

This is a hotly debated topic -- to cut to the chase, both perform about equally well, and you will be hard pressed to find evidence of superiority without a manometer.

I find the oiled filters a bit happier in wet weather (oil is hydrophobic), but really, either kind will do.

Now, what I find really interesting is this little graph that AEM used to display on their website, trying to hype up their dryflow filters.

You will note that the dryflow media appears to offer superior flow when saturated with dirt -- assuming these data aren't fabricated, and they probably are not (for reasons that will become obvious in a moment).

But... that's a LOT of dirt. Like over a cup of it (110 g = 1 cup!). Like the filter would have to be CAKED in fucking dirt.

In reality, you'll clean it or toss it before that happens, unless you are rally racing through a swamp or something.

When you look at flow in no to moderate dirt conditions, the K&N outperforms them all by a mile!

AEM took that graph off their site, probably because I am not the only person who noticed what the data were really suggesting...

No idea what to make of the AFE dry intakes... if those findings aren't just made up, they are definitely not the best choice for filtering (although, again, the difference on a dyno is going to be less than 1 whp...)

Joker_J · 01-16-2015, 08:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jordo!

This is a hotly debated topic -- to cut to the chase, both perform about equally well, and you will be hard pressed to find evidence of superiority without a manometer.

I find the oiled filters a bit happier in wet weather (oil is hydrophobic), but really, either kind will do.

Now, what I find really interesting is this little graph that AEM used to display on their website, trying to hype up their dryflow filters.

You will note that the dryflow media appears to offer superior flow when saturated with dirt -- assuming these data aren't fabricated, and they probably are not (for reasons that will become obvious in a moment).

But... that's a LOT of dirt. Like over a cup of it (110 g = 1 cup!). Like the filter would have to be CAKED in fucking dirt.

In reality, you'll clean it or toss it before that happens, unless you are rally racing through a swamp or something.

When you look at flow in no to moderate dirt conditions, the K&N outperforms them all by a mile!

AEM took that graph off their site, probably because I am not the only person who noticed what the data were really suggesting...

No idea what to make of the AFE dry intakes... if those findings aren't just made up, they are definitely not the best choice for filtering (although, again, the difference on a dyno is going to be less than 1 whp...)

Nice...you have helped me make a decision haha I live in louisville, ky where we can get all 4 seasons in 1 week haha I'll have to give the wet one a try for about a year then try the dry filter.

Now another question is (This may be a stupid question), With the wet filter, say I'm at the car wash I can just drive-off but with the dry filter, I would have to wait?

mishuko · 01-16-2015, 08:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joker_J

Nice...you have helped me make a decision haha I live in louisville, ky where we can get all 4 seasons in 1 week haha I'll have to give the wet one a try for about a year then try the dry filter.

Now another question is (This may be a stupid question), With the wet filter, say I'm at the car wash I can just drive-off but with the dry filter, I would have to wait?

well if you look at where the filters are located relative to the grill you dont have to worry. unless you wash by yourself and you take a hose nozzle stick it into the grill point it up and spray the filters.... then no you can't drive off...

in fact a lot of people like to wash then drive to a speed to air dry. i usually dry as much as i can. do a rip around and then QD the water spots (friken side mirrors seem to soak up water and pee it out after grrr)

tldr; conventional washing will not hamper you from driving right away

wsarver · 01-16-2015, 09:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joker_J

Nice...you have helped me make a decision haha I live in louisville, ky where we can get all 4 seasons in 1 week haha I'll have to give the wet one a try for about a year then try the dry filter.

Now another question is (This may be a stupid question), With the wet filter, say I'm at the car wash I can just drive-off but with the dry filter, I would have to wait?

Nah you wouldn't be hosing down your filters at the car wash haha. Drive in, do your wash, and drive out. These are all behind the bumper or under the hood and should remain dry.

..... Mishuko you beat me to it haha

mishuko · 01-16-2015, 09:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wsarver

Nah you wouldn't be hosing down your filters at the car wash haha. Drive in, do your wash, and drive out. These are all behind the bumper or under the hood and should remain dry.

..... Mishuko you beat me to it haha

lol it's all good!

i have even tossed a bucket of light soap water and sponged the underside of the hood and sprayed it down inside at the end of the driving season and drove off with no issues either.

the intakes are placed in a location thats relatively shielded from the elements!

Joker_J · 01-16-2015, 09:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mishuko

well if you look at where the filters are located relative to the grill you dont have to worry. unless you wash by yourself and you take a hose nozzle stick it into the grill point it up and spray the filters.... then no you can't drive off...

in fact a lot of people like to wash then drive to a speed to air dry. i usually dry as much as i can. do a rip around and then QD the water spots (friken side mirrors seem to soak up water and pee it out after grrr)

tldr; conventional washing will not hamper you from driving right away

Quote:

Originally Posted by wsarver

Nah you wouldn't be hosing down your filters at the car wash haha. Drive in, do your wash, and drive out. These are all behind the bumper or under the hood and should remain dry.

..... Mishuko you beat me to it haha

Quote:

Originally Posted by mishuko

lol it's all good!

i have even tossed a bucket of light soap water and sponged the underside of the hood and sprayed it down inside at the end of the driving season and drove off with no issues either.

the intakes are placed in a location thats relatively shielded from the elements!

There should be a link where everyone can search and this pops up for their answer haha

01-15-2015, 08:49 PM	#19 (permalink)
SwissCheese Track Member Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: Iowa Posts: 785 Drives: 2012 370Z NISMO Rep Power: 66	I've been debating between the wet and dry filters for the Stillen Gen 3 for almost a week now! It looks like the dry filters on the Stillen kit are AEM. How do these compare to the AFE filters? Also, how well do the dry filters handle water? Do you need a hydro-shield (or whatever it's called)? Also also, is there any kind of performance difference between dry and wet filters? So many questions! Joker_J likes this. __________________ Current Ride: 2012 Nissan 370Z NISMO #0389 Mods: Fast Intentions Resonated Test Pipes and TDX Exhaust with 18" Resonators (#1054), K&N Drop-Ins, GTR Start Button

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Tadpole A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Lockhart, TX Posts: 1,082 Drives: 13 Nissan 370Z A7 Rep Power: 17	Yea I have the Takeda/AFE dry filters on mine. I have had K&N's in the past and haven't really noticed much of a difference between the two. I prefer the dry filters because all you need to do is wash them then let them dry. No oiling to mess with. I clean mine every six months MicntaeG35 likes this. __________________ Takeda TR3009P Short Ram Intakes, Custom Dual Exhaust, X-Piped with 18" Resonators & TopSpeed Axle Backs. EVO-R Led Third Foglight,

01-16-2015, 08:25 AM	#25 (permalink)
Jordo! A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2010 Location: nirvana Posts: 6,394 Drives: 2023 NATM Rep Power: 417	This is a hotly debated topic -- to cut to the chase, both perform about equally well, and you will be hard pressed to find evidence of superiority without a manometer. I find the oiled filters a bit happier in wet weather (oil is hydrophobic), but really, either kind will do. Now, what I find really interesting is this little graph that AEM used to display on their website, trying to hype up their dryflow filters. You will note that the dryflow media appears to offer superior flow when saturated with dirt -- assuming these data aren't fabricated, and they probably are not (for reasons that will become obvious in a moment). But... that's a LOT of dirt. Like over a cup of it (110 g = 1 cup!). Like the filter would have to be CAKED in fucking dirt. In reality, you'll clean it or toss it before that happens, unless you are rally racing through a swamp or something. When you look at flow in no to moderate dirt conditions, the K&N outperforms them all by a mile! AEM took that graph off their site, probably because I am not the only person who noticed what the data were really suggesting... No idea what to make of the AFE dry intakes... if those findings aren't just made up, they are definitely not the best choice for filtering (although, again, the difference on a dyno is going to be less than 1 whp...) Joker_J likes this. __________________ Enjoy it. Destroy it. Last edited by Jordo!; 01-16-2015 at 08:34 AM.

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mishuko A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: bouncin on tigga Posts: 8,062 Drives: '12 Z Rep Power: 9434	i thought the gen 3's came with k&n... and at the stillen website you have the option or oiled or dry...