Custom ported and CNC throttle bodies, upper and lower manifolds by Synergy Composite

synolimit · 11-27-2014, 09:15 AM

Shawn wants to offer gold reflective tape on the lower and upper, anyone think it's worth it?

Jordo! · 11-27-2014, 11:58 PM

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Originally Posted by synolimit

Shawn wants to offer gold reflective tape on the lower and upper, anyone think it's worth it?

It couldn't hurt and it's probably cheaper than adding a heat dispersant coating. It could certainly be added as an option for a few extra bucks.

When I got involved in a team effort put towards the development of a high output, bang-for-the-buck LTH for the 7th gen Celica, developed in collaboration with a talented tuner, a few very willing and patient test subjects, and the fine folks at PPE, the primary goal was to achieve max power and quality at the most reasonable price point for everyone to be happy.

No header like this had existed for the 7th gen Celica 2ZZ motor before this project. The few headers even available were mostly untested very pricey imports... no one wanted to tackle it, and those who did wanted to make something absurdly expensive, shiny, and lovely to show off -- because you can sell that at a premium price point whether or not it performs as hoped. Not acceptable.

So, I said, screw that -- lets all team up and try to make this happen and see where it goes. And, remarkably, we did it -- suddenly everyone went from having no good option to a seriously great one, and one that was also pretty darn inexpensive for the gains.

From there a consumer could request various insulation coatings (although you'd want one designed for dispersing rather than retaining heat, of course), SS rather than cast iron, different high end merge collectors vs a more standard one, etc.

These were all options to be added on for a little extra performance if you wanted, but the plain as-is header made solid, reliable power, verified on several dynos, at a very affordable price point.

FWIW, I say, try to incorporate that idea -- the bang-for-buck with a few options. This way the average Joe can afford it and be genuinely pleased with the results, the folks behind the scenes are happy with their return on the R&D, and there are optional upgrades for the hard core power junkies that have the extra coin and want to try and squeeze every last fraction of whp out of it.

If you can pull that off, everybody wins.

It's not easy -- there's theory, design, testing, tuning, re-testing, re-tuning, etc. -- but clearly you have the will and the know-how, and are open to collaborating with others/shops who can help make it happen.

And there's obviously interest. If you can do it, I'm sure it can be worked out so everybody is happy with the price and the results.

No harm in trying -- go for it!

P.S.
If you guys run it on a dynojet, I would be happy to make detailed graphs and offer some 3rd party objective commentary if you can send me the drf files. We can chat about it via PM if that's something that would help make this come together -- just let me know.

1slow370 · 11-28-2014, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by synolimit

Shawn wants to offer gold reflective tape on the lower and upper, anyone think it's worth it?

It isn't going to do anything without an isolating gasket at the head. the runners will still heat soak.

synolimit · 11-28-2014, 05:40 PM

Just a reminder!! PLEASE when you guys ship back your cores protect the parts and apply insurance on the item for the amount I'm giving you back! Does no good to only take the free $50 insurance when I'm giving back $190 or $200 or $250 and the parts destroyed. I just received this TB and there's no way I can resell this! Again I state in the FS thread it's your responsibility to package correctly and put insurance on the returns.

Thanks

FPenvy · 12-01-2014, 01:55 PM

it's 12-1...............

where's these dyno sheets?

DR_ · 12-01-2014, 06:46 PM

After installing the ported TB I got a MIL P0507 Idle Air Control System RPM Higher Than Expected. It did idle higher than before so I performed the idle air volume learning per the manual and that seems to have done the trick.

NeverBoneStck · 12-02-2014, 12:16 AM

So no go? Or just to much to type? Give us something. I have money to blow..

FPenvy · 12-02-2014, 07:48 AM

it's 12-2...............

where's these dyno sheets?

conquistador · 12-02-2014, 09:12 AM

in for dyno results from Syno and other risk-taking members!

Btw, Syno's 370 sounds BEAST.

synolimit · 12-02-2014, 09:34 AM

I'm hunting right now and left ASAP after the tune. I have almost zero signal here. I'll post a sheet soon. Car made 6hp and 5tq at peak with ALL the parts (anyone wonder why Z1 doesn't show a before and after?) and 11hp down low. The car made zero between 4500-6500. The consensus is we improved the intake but his cats were holding us back for the exhaust. The owner is buying motordyne test pipes and coming back next week. We will pop off the mani and TB's and do it again. But like I said from the get go, 10 or hp is what we expected at this level of NA and for sub $1000. Over all the owner picked up 20/20 from tune and parts. For a NA in SAE this isn't bad!!! Went from 299hp to 319hp and 240tq to 260tq.

mishuko · 12-02-2014, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by synolimit

I'm hunting right now and left ASAP after the tune. I have almost zero signal here. I'll post a sheet soon. Car made 6hp and 5tq at peak with ALL the parts (anyone wonder why Z1 doesn't show a before and after?) and 11hp down low. The car made zero between 4500-6500. The consensus is we improved the intake but his cats were holding us back for the exhaust. The owner is buying motordyne test pipes and coming back next week. We will pop off the mani and TB's and do it again. But like I said from the get go, 10 or hp is what we expected at this level of NA and for sub $1000. Over all the owner picked up 20/20 from tune and parts. For a NA in SAE this isn't bad!!! Went from 299hp to 319hp and 240tq to 260tq.

so the best gains were from the low bandsu nder 4500 and mediocre gains above 6500?

any reason why the 4500-6500 range was flat? i'm a bit confused on your 20/20 gains part... was this strictly from the ported or was this inculding a tune?

exsanity · 12-02-2014, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by synolimit

I'm hunting right now and left ASAP after the tune. I have almost zero signal here. I'll post a sheet soon. Car made 6hp and 5tq at peak with ALL the parts (anyone wonder why Z1 doesn't show a before and after?) and 11hp down low. The car made zero between 4500-6500. The consensus is we improved the intake but his cats were holding us back for the exhaust. The owner is buying motordyne test pipes and coming back next week. We will pop off the mani and TB's and do it again. But like I said from the get go, 10 or hp is what we expected at this level of NA and for sub $1000. Over all the owner picked up 20/20 from tune and parts. For a NA in SAE this isn't bad!!! Went from 299hp to 319hp and 240tq to 260tq.

What are "ALL the parts" that you're referring to? Do we have a baseline dyno? With the fore mentioned parts and then after the parts with nothing else changed? What are we testing here?

FPenvy · 12-02-2014, 11:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by synolimit

I'm hunting right now and left ASAP after the tune. I have almost zero signal here. I'll post a sheet soon. Car made 6hp and 5tq at peak with ALL the parts (anyone wonder why Z1 doesn't show a before and after?) and 11hp down low. The car made zero between 4500-6500. The consensus is we improved the intake but his cats were holding us back for the exhaust. The owner is buying motordyne test pipes and coming back next week. We will pop off the mani and TB's and do it again. But like I said from the get go, 10 or hp is what we expected at this level of NA and for sub $1000. Over all the owner picked up 20/20 from tune and parts. For a NA in SAE this isn't bad!!! Went from 299hp to 319hp and 240tq to 260tq.

i guess this isnt a before and after posted by Z1?

here's the thread too. just in case.

VQ37VHR 400HP Package BF

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FPenvy · 12-02-2014, 03:09 PM

*crickets*

mishuko · 12-02-2014, 03:14 PM

=( all the rumble and grumble.

so we can all talk the talk but when we need to walk the walk it appears only a few will be standing

12-02-2014, 12:16 AM	#457 (permalink)
NeverBoneStck A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Beaverton, Or Posts: 1,110 Drives: 2008 G37 S Rep Power: 17	So no go? Or just to much to type? Give us something. I have money to blow.. __________________ Juiced! That is all you need to know !!

12-02-2014, 09:34 AM	#460 (permalink)
synolimit A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2013 Location: Columbus, OH Posts: 5,051 Drives: 2013 Silver 370z Rep Power: 3388	I'm hunting right now and left ASAP after the tune. I have almost zero signal here. I'll post a sheet soon. Car made 6hp and 5tq at peak with ALL the parts (anyone wonder why Z1 doesn't show a before and after?) and 11hp down low. The car made zero between 4500-6500. The consensus is we improved the intake but his cats were holding us back for the exhaust. The owner is buying motordyne test pipes and coming back next week. We will pop off the mani and TB's and do it again. But like I said from the get go, 10 or hp is what we expected at this level of NA and for sub $1000. Over all the owner picked up 20/20 from tune and parts. For a NA in SAE this isn't bad!!! Went from 299hp to 319hp and 240tq to 260tq. __________________ 13 370z- Last edited by synolimit; 12-02-2014 at 09:46 AM.

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