Custom ported and CNC throttle bodies, upper and lower manifolds by Synergy Composite

Dave s · 12-02-2014, 05:47 PM

Not really sure why everyone is so negative regarding this test, you could put the best throttles and manifold in the world on that car and the gains would be small while still running factory cats.
If the exhaust is restricted the gains in the manifolds will not be seen.
Really the only proper test is on a car with proper headers, no cats and intakes that are larger than the throttles.

synolimit · 12-03-2014, 07:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Dave s

Not really sure why everyone is so negative regarding this test, you could put the best throttles and manifold in the world on that car and the gains would be small while still running factory cats.
If the exhaust is restricted the gains in the manifolds will not be seen.
Really the only proper test is on a car with proper headers, no cats and intakes that are larger than the throttles.

Thank you. Glad not just me and the tuner see it this way. Next week we'll prove this.

secondnissan · 12-03-2014, 01:05 AM

These gains seem right on to me. The z1 manifold picked up about 11 hp peak over the m370. The m370 loses about 7 hp over the stock manifold on a full bolt on car. So lets say z1 picks up 4 over stock, and syn picked up 6 on a hfc car, which is great considering the z1 car had headers. Its just a ported intake, don't expect miracles , if you want the last little bit out of these cars this is a no brained. People spend more for an m370 to loose peak power. Oh I forgot m370 makes more under the curve, which doesn't matter after 1st gear.

Chuck33079 · 12-03-2014, 07:22 AM

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Originally Posted by secondnissan

Oh I forgot m370 makes more under the curve, which doesn't matter after 1st gear.

How does power under the curve only matter in first gear?

jwick · 12-03-2014, 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079

How does power under the curve only matter in first gear?

For drifting yo!!!

secondnissan · 12-04-2014, 12:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079

How does power under the curve only matter in first gear?

After the full throttle shift to second you'll never fall below 4500 rpm.

SgtGoldy · 12-03-2014, 01:12 AM

GTM Groupbuy...

exsanity · 12-03-2014, 07:36 AM

By the way, the moment you change anything other than the parts you're testing your results are invalid.

synolimit · 12-03-2014, 07:44 AM

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By the way, the moment you change anything other than the parts you're testing your results are invalid.

Interesting. So if I add a turbo and 100 shot of nos the base will be invalid? I can't post my final numbers because they won't count?

The car knocked, we pulled timing. There was no other way and the car still made power!

exsanity · 12-03-2014, 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by synolimit

So if I add a turbo and 100 shot of nos the base will be invalid?

If you added a turbo and a 100HP shot of nitrous then you couldn't definitively say how much power the turbo gave you. That is a fact.

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I can't post my final numbers because they won't count?

If you baselined, then installed parts, then tuned, then changed fuel ratios, and now you're going to add test pipes, then no.. you can't tell me your "gains" were from your parts.

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The car knocked, we pulled timing. There was no other way and the car still made power!

I understand there was an issue with the install, there always is. I'm just saying that you have to use a method that would show your potential customers definitive gain numbers for your product and your product alone.

synolimit · 12-03-2014, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by exsanity

If you added a turbo and a 100HP shot of nitrous then you couldn't definitively say how much power the turbo gave you. That is a fact.

If you baselined, then installed parts, then tuned, then changed fuel ratios, and now you're going to add test pipes, then no.. you can't tell me your "gains" were from your parts.

I understand there was an issue with the install, there always is. I'm just saying that you have to use a method that would show your potential customers definitive gain numbers for your product and your product alone.

Omg you don't read. We base lined, tuned! Installed parts and ran that base line. The car knocked so we pulled timing without a run for just the parts! No different then installing a turbo kit and not running it without a shelf map! You can't drive to the tuner on 1000cc injectors without doing something to the tune! All the parts knocked or his cats knocked or whatever but we had to change the timing. In the end we have a base for the day, tuned stock, and tuned with parts. It's no different than showing a TT kit make 500hp at the end of the day when everything's set.

And as I said before! In a week we'll do it ALL over again!

mishuko · 12-03-2014, 07:45 AM

so... are we getting a graph or what?

your 'magical' gains are as legitimate as GTM's group buy until you provide proof. I like to give a benefit of the doubt but doubt is all you have proved.

You realize that most CBEcost around 1200 upwards to 3-4k for titanium versions and as others have mentioned more gains for the buck so to say.

Pictures of the dyno's or this thread is useless.

FPenvy · 12-03-2014, 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by mishuko

so... are we getting a graph or what?

your 'magical' gains are as legitimate as GTM's group buy until you provide proof. I like to give a benefit of the doubt but doubt is all you have proved.

You realize that most CBEcost around 1200 upwards to 3-4k for titanium versions and as others have mentioned more gains for the buck so to say.

Pictures of the dyno's or this thread is useless.

and they typically post dyno sheets.....

mishuko · 12-03-2014, 07:59 AM

my sticker adds +5hp... it can't be the gen 3's i tossed on though... no... can't be... definitely the sticker.

FPenvy · 12-03-2014, 08:02 AM

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my sticker adds +5hp... it can't be the gen 3's i tossed on though... no... can't be... definitely the sticker.

that sticker trumps all $1800 CBE mods too......

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12-02-2014, 05:47 PM	#1 (permalink)
Dave s Base Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Australis Posts: 36 Drives: 10 370z red at7 Rep Power: 14	Not really sure why everyone is so negative regarding this test, you could put the best throttles and manifold in the world on that car and the gains would be small while still running factory cats. If the exhaust is restricted the gains in the manifolds will not be seen. Really the only proper test is on a car with proper headers, no cats and intakes that are larger than the throttles.

12-03-2014, 01:05 AM	#3 (permalink)
secondnissan Base Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: chicago burbs Posts: 70 Drives: 10 370z 7at Rep Power: 16	These gains seem right on to me. The z1 manifold picked up about 11 hp peak over the m370. The m370 loses about 7 hp over the stock manifold on a full bolt on car. So lets say z1 picks up 4 over stock, and syn picked up 6 on a hfc car, which is great considering the z1 car had headers. Its just a ported intake, don't expect miracles , if you want the last little bit out of these cars this is a no brained. People spend more for an m370 to loose peak power. Oh I forgot m370 makes more under the curve, which doesn't matter after 1st gear.

12-03-2014, 07:45 AM	#12 (permalink)
mishuko A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: bouncin on tigga Posts: 8,062 Drives: '12 Z Rep Power: 9437	so... are we getting a graph or what? your 'magical' gains are as legitimate as GTM's group buy until you provide proof. I like to give a benefit of the doubt but doubt is all you have proved. You realize that most CBEcost around 1200 upwards to 3-4k for titanium versions and as others have mentioned more gains for the buck so to say. Pictures of the dyno's or this thread is useless.

12-03-2014, 07:59 AM	#14 (permalink)
mishuko A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: bouncin on tigga Posts: 8,062 Drives: '12 Z Rep Power: 9437	my sticker adds +5hp... it can't be the gen 3's i tossed on though... no... can't be... definitely the sticker.