The TRUTH about aftermarket exhaust drone

ped · 09-20-2013, 12:12 AM

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Originally Posted by DEpointfive0

You aren't getting it, HE is making the suggestion, based on what HE thinks

I like garlic, I think it tastes good in most everything, I put it in lots of things I cook, my dad would rather kill himself than eat it. It's subjective

Yes but if someone said "hey recommend me a dish with no garlic, I passionately hate garlic" you wouldn't give them your spaghetti with garlic would you?

ped · 09-20-2013, 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by DEpointfive0

OP, sell the exhaust, you'll get what you paid for it because people don't want to wait.
Now the install/removal cost, you're SOL.

And if you think the Hemholtz resonators will work, why don't you add them to the exhaust?

I mention in a later post that I simply can't know how much drone they'll remove without cutting holes in the FI exhaust and investing another couple hundred dollars to find out,

DEpointfive0 · 09-20-2013, 12:14 AM

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Originally Posted by ped

Yes but if someone said "hey recommend me a dish with no garlic, I passionately hate garlic" you wouldn't give them your spaghetti with garlic would you?

Yeah, so I gave them my dish with chives, which is similar, but not the same

phunk · 09-20-2013, 12:15 AM

Sounds like the OP, for some reason, decided to do his research *after* he bought an exhaust, instead of before... And he passes the blame off on FI.

I read no complaints about the quality or fit or the transaction process. The OP bought the wrong product. I am not sure there is any way to pass the blame off on this one. I find it in questionable taste to post a thread like this.

DEpointfive0 · 09-20-2013, 12:17 AM

Btw, I do agree with the insight of, that since you have the 7AT, like I do, that we are more prone to drone because it chooses the tallest gear.

Now, how often do I find myself in that situation, once a day, 45MPH, going up a slight incline, 7th gear, solution, left paddle, 5th and 6th kill it, and for the .05 miles I don't mind getting .05MPG less.

DEpointfive0 · 09-20-2013, 12:19 AM

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Originally Posted by phunk

Sounds like the OP, for some reason, decided to do his research *after* he bought an exhaust, instead of before... And he passes the blame off on FI.

I read no complaints about the quality or fit or the transaction process. The OP bought the wrong product. I am not sure there is any way to pass the blame off on this one. I find it in questionable taste to post a thread like this.

I see that too a bit, it's just not the right product for YOU, so f-it, move on, members here go through up to 5 exhausts to find the right one.

Personally, I have owned 3, my 2nd FI arrives tomorrow, lol

F.I. Inc. · 09-20-2013, 12:23 AM

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Originally Posted by ped

Thanks for replying Tony. If you acknowledge (as I do) that you make no claim that your exhausts have no drone, then I'm not sure why the thread title is an insult or a problem. But I can change it if that's possible to something else.

The main issue is with the misinformation so prevalent on here. After chats with you I knew what your quietest option was. After that the rest of the info necessarily comes from videos, reviews, general posts on here, and finding people's systems to listen to (something I already acknowledge I didn't go enough of). The fact I can look two threads below this one and find someone blatantly suggesting FI exhaust have "no drone" whatsoever to a guy specifically stating he wants none and "hates drone with a passion" speaks pretty loudly to what I'm referring to. I know you don't have control over what others say on here, but you are pretty active. I'd think if you really wanted to quell that type of thing that a few visits from you into threads like that, to set people straight, would have people producing more accurate information. So you should accept some responsibility for allowing this type of misrepresentation to go on. Maybe it's been good for business and you looked the other way, but it's not accurate. And you shouldn't cry foul when I start a thread calling out bad info that you (presumably) agree is incorrect.

My options at this point are to live with it (not likely due to what I estimate to be 100 db+ of low-frequency harmonic resonance drone in the interior), pay someone a couple hundred to manufacture Helmholtz resonators, or return it and accept the loss of some money for trying out something that didn't work out. I would go with option 2 except for the unknown outcome of how much drone would actually be gotten rid of...

I feel that the thread in the first place is unwarranted. I understand what you are trying to achieve. You are trying to "warn" potential buyers that our system has drone. The reason why I feel this thread is unwarranted is due to how long we have been making a system for this car. How many units we have sold, built, installed and shipped over the past 4-1/2 years! What it boils down to is this: There is so much documentation out there on our products. We are not fooling anyone nor have we tried! Every single AT customer I have had the pleasure to speak with, I have been very forthcoming and honest. Now there are a few reasons why I have never been too concerned with the "drone" issue specifically in the 7AT.

#1 Sound is subjective, not every person with a 7AT feels that the system drones. In fact, I have this issue brought to my attention less vs. more often.

#2 The amount of AT cars out there vs. MT with our exhaust is very minimal. I would say 8-9 out of every 10 have a 6MT. Right now I have 13 pre order for our TT Kit and only one of them is a 7AT.

#3 The system works and performs exceptionally. Almost every single person who has it loves it and I constantly get phone calls and emails after the fact with thanks and praise for setting them up with the right combination.

#4 Goes hand and hand with #2. We do not encounter the AT drone issue enough nor have the man power to design a completely different system for the AT.

You said, "So you should accept some responsibility for allowing this type of misrepresentation to go on. Maybe it's been good for business and you looked the other way, but it's not accurate."

It is not my responsibility nor do I have the time to police everything that everyone says in every thread about my products. Again, what is stated in most threads is accurate and if I see something that is wayyy out of wack than I address it! In addition, you have no idea what goes on in my shop on a daily basis. We have a crew of 6 people, myself included. I wear the hat of 10 different people job wise. Even though I am active on the forums a lot of times I only respond to pm's and occasionally go in to my own threads.

We have two main concerns on a daily basis, continue to build and ship quality product and get them out the door because we are far behind year round. And B, get our Twin Turbo Kit in to full production.

Thanks, Tony

ped · 09-20-2013, 12:23 AM

I've been researching them off and on for a few years - which seems crazy now in retrospect. I am also "2 G or Not 2 G" on the G35/g37 forums and have started threads and participated in others there asking various things about FI exhausts like one asking for before/after db readings, which Tony participated in. I started that thread specifically to determine how much volume i could expect from FI compared to stock. Some other manufacturers have these before/after db readings in the form of youtube videos whcih works great for that. In that thread he was shown how DB readings would need to be taken (someone quoted from a law on how the state would measure it) and he mentioned that now he knows how to do them, but I don't think those DB readings were ever done by FI. That kind of info can help prevent people from getting something other than expected.

ped · 09-20-2013, 12:25 AM

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Originally Posted by phunk

Sounds like the OP, for some reason, decided to do his research *after* he bought an exhaust, instead of before... And he passes the blame off on FI.

I read no complaints about the quality or fit or the transaction process. The OP bought the wrong product. I am not sure there is any way to pass the blame off on this one. I find it in questionable taste to post a thread like this.

What's questionable about it? Tony himself agrees that FI exhaust have drone. So where is the problem with the thread complaining about the misinformation rampant in this forum that suggests they have no drone? If everyone in this thread agrees FI exhausts have drone I don't see the problem. And it certainly isn't a negative reflection on Tony or FI if forum posters constantly give out inaccurate info on their products (other than my mention that Tony could go a long way to stopping it by knocking some of them down - but he says he does that already and I believe him). So again, if you agree that FI exhausts have drone (to varying degrees or not is kind of irrelevant). And if you also agree that a LOT of people here represent FI exhausts as having no drone, or extremely minimal drone, yet I'm nearly positive I could sit inside my car and produce over 100db+ of drone with a DB meter. Then I'm wondering why it's a problem to point that out?

Don't you want people to be accurate about the products they discuss in here? It seems odd to me that you would like to stifle a conversation or suggest it's a problem to discuss being more accurate and how the lack of accuracy can cause people problems.

DEpointfive0 · 09-20-2013, 12:27 AM

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Originally Posted by ped

What's questionable about it? Tony himself agrees that FI exhaust have drone. So where is the problem with the thread complaining about the misinformation rampant in this forum that suggests they have no drone? If everyone in this thread agrees FI exhausts have drone I don't see the problem.

It looks like you need to complain to the people posting those reviews, lol

F.I. Inc. · 09-20-2013, 12:37 AM

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Originally Posted by ped

What's questionable about it? Tony himself agrees that FI exhaust have drone. So where is the problem with the thread complaining about the misinformation rampant in this forum that suggests they have no drone? If everyone in this thread agrees FI exhausts have drone I don't see the problem.

Do I think some combinations drone, sure. Now I can tell you if I owned a 7AT I would run Stock Cats, Stainless Steel Mufflers and 18" Resonators. Does that combination have some drone at certain RPM's, yes it does. I never said it did not! For me in my mid 30's is it tolerable, sure.

Now, I will state again when I talk to every customer individually I educate them on what to expect out of the exhaust. In fact, I have had a few people I did not sell the exhaust to over the years because I told them I thought our exhaust would drone too much for them and I would rather not make the sale than have an unhappy customer. If you had called me and expressed you distaste for drone I would of steered you away. But you did not purchase the exhaust through me.

Here is what I think is really bothering you.

#1 You are clearly unhappy about some members here who have a different take on my system droning than you do. You feel that it does and if they disagree with that feeling than they must be wrong.

#2 You feel you were mislead by who you purchased the system from and now they will not take it back and give you a full refund.

So those two things being touched on, why attack my system, reputation and business. You could of just picked up the phone and called me.

Thanks, Tony

phunk · 09-20-2013, 12:37 AM

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Originally Posted by ped

What's questionable about it? Tony himself agrees that FI exhaust have drone. So where is the problem with the thread complaining about the misinformation rampant in this forum that suggests they have no drone? If everyone in this thread agrees FI exhausts have drone I don't see the problem.

It's your delivery. A thread like this is generally reserved for when a customer feels like their problem has just become a vendors problem.. And so its a bold move to take over something so insignificant as a difference in taste with other reviewers.

Drone is subjective. In its existence, no, it's not subjective... it's either there or it isn't. But once its obviously there, it becomes subjective for conversation. Drone is generally a fact of life in sports cars... Some will say a stock VQ drones. So your opinion of "no drone" is either none at all, or stock levels.

I can gather quickly that you are very specific about how you want your car to sound. So I feel like you should have taken greater responsibility to suit your very specific taste in exhaust note... And not just listen to the masses. When one reviewer says his combo has "no drone", you need to not take that so literally perhaps, or hear it yourself and decide.

The masses say that bacon is good. I hate bacon. I don't leave Oscar Meyer a bad review for it

Trips · 09-20-2013, 12:55 AM

I think we're done here.

Op posted his dissatisfaction, And FI has responded appropriately.

With that Im going to simply close/edit this thread since WE don't need 20 pages of beating this horse to death.

If either party still has an issue? Please take it to Pm's or contact Staff.

Thanks.

09-20-2013, 12:15 AM	#49 (permalink)
phunk A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Chicago Posts: 3,655 Drives: 370 Rep Power: 944523	Sounds like the OP, for some reason, decided to do his research after he bought an exhaust, instead of before... And he passes the blame off on FI. I read no complaints about the quality or fit or the transaction process. The OP bought the wrong product. I am not sure there is any way to pass the blame off on this one. I find it in questionable taste to post a thread like this. F.I. Inc., Romulus1, Felix 808 and 2 others like this. __________________ Charles @ CJ Motorsports : Website \| Facebook \| Instagram \| YouTube Home of the 9 second, stock longblock, stock drivetrain 6MT 370z. 9.91 @ 142mph

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DEpointfive0 Premium Member Bitches Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: SoCal Posts: 14,824 Drives: a lot Rep Power: 17151	Btw, I do agree with the insight of, that since you have the 7AT, like I do, that we are more prone to drone because it chooses the tallest gear. Now, how often do I find myself in that situation, once a day, 45MPH, going up a slight incline, 7th gear, solution, left paddle, 5th and 6th kill it, and for the .05 miles I don't mind getting .05MPG less. __________________ Do YOU want to know what/where I got my username from? ( Click to show/hide ) NSFW due to language:

09-20-2013, 12:55 AM	#58 (permalink)
Trips Administrator Join Date: May 2009 Location: Disneyland, Ca Posts: 8,728 Drives: 🔰 Rep Power: 10	I think we're done here. Op posted his dissatisfaction, And FI has responded appropriately. With that Im going to simply close/edit this thread since WE don't need 20 pages of beating this horse to death. If either party still has an issue? Please take it to Pm's or contact Staff. Thanks. Felix 808, RegPei, snowsurfdirtx and 2 others like this. __________________

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09-20-2013, 12:23 AM	#53 (permalink)
ped Enthusiast Member Join Date: May 2013 Location: Dallas, Texas Posts: 258 Drives: 2013 370Z Rep Power: 11	I've been researching them off and on for a few years - which seems crazy now in retrospect. I am also "2 G or Not 2 G" on the G35/g37 forums and have started threads and participated in others there asking various things about FI exhausts like one asking for before/after db readings, which Tony participated in. I started that thread specifically to determine how much volume i could expect from FI compared to stock. Some other manufacturers have these before/after db readings in the form of youtube videos whcih works great for that. In that thread he was shown how DB readings would need to be taken (someone quoted from a law on how the state would measure it) and he mentioned that now he knows how to do them, but I don't think those DB readings were ever done by FI. That kind of info can help prevent people from getting something other than expected.