Review: Motordyne E370

Skull Crusher · 03-18-2012, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Motordyne

There is only one plot going on here.
Haters hating.

No doubt about this!

The OP and the lynch mob here aren't looking at the quality of the exhaust or potential of the exhaust, only a relative figure on a dyno. One exhaust to the next isn't going to produce extreme hp changes with minor modifications. No one made claims of tons more horsepower from your exhaust anyway.

If the OP is so interested in building NA hp and seeing the actual potential of the exhaust, then he needs to be more concerned about engine internals and fuel system.

Those who are trying to compare an exhaust like the Gemini to the Motodyne, are attempting to do the impossible on the cheap and aren't interested about the exhaust's actual potential. They've already reached the maximum you're going to spend on engine modifications and time spent. Most of them are just looking for, a posers excuse.

I said it before and I'll say it again; "hp cost money," there are no short cuts and if you're not willing to part with it in the endeavor of finding hp, then you're just like the next, all mouth and no action.

There's no comparison in flow characteristics or quality between the two. Attempting to discredit a manufacture, which the OP and company are attempting to do purely on a dyno results, is about as lame as it comes. Spend the money, add high compression pistons, cams, oversized valves, port and polished heads, upgraded intake manifold, upgraded fueling system and intake and you'll begin to see what the exhaust is truly capable of. Something the GT Haus, Akrapovic, and Gemini aren't designed for and can't accomplish based on their design limitations.

As I suggested before to the OP; "sell the exhaust and find something cheaper that you can afford and will be happy with." You got way more than what you paid for. You're just ungrateful, GET A LIFE!

Tony and Motodyne have gone way out of the way to accommodate you and everyone else here, from photos, videos, technical information, free dyno's and more. If that doesn't show their sincerity to produce an affordable top quality exhaust, then you're far more stupid then I originally suspected.

I've not yet purchased the exhaust but I can assure you based upon Motodyne's willingness to go the extra mile and the exhausts hp potential I will be purchasing the exhaust. The quality, rivals the GT Haus and Akrapovic, the price is far more palatable in comparison and far out classes any of the others available at a similar price.

Tony, best advice; no matter what you do for some people, they will never be satisfied. They're always expecting more than they paid for. Their expectations are far to high and unrealistic. In this case the OP got far more and is expecting something he's not entitled to. It's akin to being a heroin addict and they're always expecting other's to provide them with their fix.

You've proven your sincerity time and time again. You've got nothing more to prove and everything to gain. Anything else, will be simply wasted on this individual or anyone else in agreement with him. Don't expect any kudos from this lot. There's one actual buyer here and a lynch mob who have absolutely no clue!

Like you said, Haters are going to hate, no matter what you do or provide. Just, "Keep on truckin!"

Skull Crusher · 03-18-2012, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by modme

Your post is full of self-conflicting comments........

DILLIGAF what you think? Especially when you're driving a what a 3 year old G37.

Typically, you don't have tee tee, for engine building knowledge. You've never built a VQ37VHR high performance NA motor.

You bolt on a few external mod's and you're not happy. So to get that quick fix you install an FI system and tune, not knowing the first thing that's required to build a motor let alone, a strong NA performance motor. FI is nothing more than an excuse for a lack of motor building skill, knowledge and the patience to accomplish it.

Anyone including a monkey can bolt on TT or Supercharger.

The only thing I see here is, your just one of the self-conflicted mob. Go back and read the full thread. He spent nothing compared to what's really required on tuning or real upgrades for a horsepower making NA motor.

There's allot more required then a couple of dyno's to measure those characteristics and tune a NA motor. It takes considerably more work and tuning. The tunes used are moderate at best. UPRev and SZ are for the masses, and don't provide the parameters needed to dial in extensive modifications. There's only one tune available that will and it's not cheap.

The rest of the lynch mob, is self explanatory.

Skull Crusher · 03-19-2012, 02:23 AM

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Originally Posted by modme

I thought we were talking about the exhaust system. Why are you all of a sudden crying about forced induction versus NA?

I like how you quickly edited your post. Did you see my DIY on the turbo install?

No, your just as lame as your comments and advice.

Why, because you're spouting off about a NA engine and tuning, which you have absolutely no experience in building or personally tuning. I've read some of your BS posts to other members and a performance engine builder you're not, coming from one who is.

You see, some of us like Motordyne, are in the performance business and make and actual living out of it. Three generations of engine builders and performance shop owners are part of my family, for good reason. That's experience, conviction and dedication to the sport. Not like you Nar-du-well hobbyist owners, who drift in and out of the sport. You're the type who believes they've got the pulse on engine building or tuning, on the contrary you haven't got a clue.

You lack the knowledge and conviction but are always prepared to ridicule a manufacture, about something you don't understand or comprehend.

Frankly, you believe your qualified to give advice to others but in reality, people like yourself cause more problems then good. You've already given out enough of bad advice through previous threads.

Bolting on a TT on a 3 year old G37 is no great feat or accomplishment. Leave the NA engine building and tuning advice, to those who have enough experience not to lead others in the wrong direction.

You're the worst kind of troll. You only jump in when everything else has been said and done, just to add your BS and stir the pot.

Last time I checked, this was a 370Z enthuiast forum, which you don't seem to own.

Skull Crusher · 03-19-2012, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by modme

We were talking about the merits of the exhaust system and the outcomes of the dyno and tuning.

Your welcome to comment and disagree on anything you wish. What you don't seem understand is; I'm not here to have a technical conversation with you. I'm not here for your personal edification, to share decades of experience, discuss engine building or tuning methods or act as your personal tutor. I'm here to support the manufactures like Motordyne, and others like them, who work hard to put out solid products for hobbyist, professional builders, organized racers and enthusiasts.

If you read this entire thread, several others like it, then asked Tony questions, you might understand the dynamics and flow characteristics of their exhaust. Expecting an additional 10 hp out of any exhaust with the OP's current modifications, is nothing but a pipe dream. This has been stated unequivocally many times throughout the thread.

The OP's expectations are overly inflated. When the exhaust didn't produce a significantly greater hp output, he started bad mouthing Tony and Motodyne. Then came the not so proponent "lynch mob." It always works out this way on forums. Members jump on the, "complainers band wagon" without owning or utilizing the product, without the slightest bit of understanding.

Of course you having the mentality of a child, this needed to be spell out for you.

DILLIGAF what you purchased from Motodyne in the past. It doesn't have a bearing with your original comments to me or make you anymore creditable. I used your lack of engine building experience as a example; to demonstrate you've got Tee Tee experience but act as if you're some self-professed expert, not just here but in allot of previous threads. There's a great deal more to building and tuning a NA engine then just bolting on parts, installing a tune and expecting to see massive hp gains. As a point of reference and experience, all you've done is a, bolt on DIY TT install.

My point being again: You lack experience with NA tuning or building, let alone attempting to have a lengthy discussion on exhaust flow characteristics or attempting to diagnosing a supposed tuning issue with a manufactures exhaust.

Again, it's called experience. You want others to believe your highly experienced and creditable but frankly you've been called out by someone who earns a living at it daily. Along with a family who's been sustained by it for three generations. So in a nut shell, it's not a question weather or not I have extensive engine building knowledge, it's more to demonstrated your lack of, big difference.

Let him take it to a professional and have the proper tuning parameters installed and adjusted. Though, no matter what he does with the modifications he current is running, there's not going to be a substantial gain from one exhaust to the next, until he takes the next step. When and if he does he'll understand. Simply put, there is a much greater potential enhancement with the Motodyne. Hence sell the Motodyne to someone else who will appreciate it as is or be satisfied with the current results and move on, instead of trying to disway others from purchasing it.

Most of these type of threads start and end up in a very negative way against the part manufacture, this one is no different. Eventually, in come the "know it all trolls" like yourself, attempting to find additional fault or issues, where there is none.

You follow?

sfearl1 · 03-19-2012, 02:10 PM

[QUOTE=Skull Crusher;1608303]

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Originally Posted by modme

We were talking about the merits of the exhaust system and the outcomes of the dyno and tuning........................QUOTE]

What you don't seem understand is I'm not here to have a technical conversation with you. Your welcome to comment and disagree on anything you wish.

I'm not here for your personal edification, to share decades of experience, discuss our engine building methods or act as your personal tutor. I'm here to support the manufactures like Motodyne, others and ourselves, work hard to put out solid products for hobbyist, professional builders, organized racers and enthusiasts.

If you read the entire thread and others like it, asked questions with Tony, you'd understand some of the dynamics of the exhaust. The potential for the exhaust to allow and enhance additional internal engine modifications is highly prevalent, unlike the Gemini. If you'd expect an additional 10 hp out of any exhaust with his current modifications, it's nothing but a pipe dream. This has been stated unequivocally many times.

The OP's expectations are overly inflated and when he didn't see the imagined greater output, he started bad mouthing Tony and Motodyne. Then came the not so proponent lynch mob. It always works out this way on forums. Members jump on the, "complainers band wagon," without owning the product or the slightest bit of understanding.

Of course you having the mentality of a child, this needs to be spell out for you.

DILLIGAF what you purchased from Motodyne in the past. It doesn't have a thing to do with your original comments to me or make you any more creditable. I used your lack of engine building experience as a example; as an engine builder, you've got Tee Tee experience but act as if you're some self-professed expert, not just here but in allot of previous threads.

There's a great deal more to building and tuning a NA engine then just bolting on parts, installing a tune and expecting to see massive hp gains. As a point of reference and experience, all you've done is a bolt on DIY TT install.

My point being again: You've got little or no experience with NA tuning or building, let alone have a lengthy dicussion on or diagnose a supposed tuning issue with a manufactures exhaust.

Again, it's called experience. You want others to believe your highly experienced and creditable, but frankly you've been called out by someone who earns a living at it daily. Along with a family who's been sustained by it for three generations. It's not a question weather or not I have extensive engine building knowledge, it's more to demonstrated your lack of, big difference.

Let him take it to a professional and have the proper tuning parameters installed. Though, no matter what he does with the modifications he current is running, there's not going to be a substantial gains from one exhaust to the next, until he takes the next step. When and if he does he'll see. If he's going to limit his modifications to only bolt on externals, then he should have stayed with the Gemini. Hence sell the Motodyne to someone else who who will appreciate it or be satisfied with the results and move on instead of trying to dismay others to purchase it.

Most of these type of threads start and end up in a very negative way against the part manufacture, this one is no different. Eventually, in come the "know it all trolls," like yourself attempting to find additional fault or issues, where there are none.

You follow?

^^ dude, it's Motordyne

Skull Crusher · 03-19-2012, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by modme

Again, you are blabbering on about how you have experience but have nothing to prove it. Not contributing to the exhaust discussion but insisting that you have more experience than everyone else.

Yup, you’re right, I was only able to bolt on a twin turbo kit, install my own OS Giken clutch, upgrade my navigation, install a carpc that works seamlessly with the stock screen to display GTR style gauges, install KW coilovers, retrofit quad xenon HIDs. But anyone can do those things. But NO ONE can take a part an engine and put it back together like you do.

So your nismo is fully built and making 400whp right? Wait what?! After all the talk of experience, you have nothing to prove it?

I prove it everyday to myself by earning a living at it. Don't need to prove it to anyone else. Well, with the exception to paying customers.

I don't feel the need to post photos or share lengthy commentary about myself, our businesses goals, experience or accomplishments, especially on the Internet. Those skills are known by customers we are paid to work for.

I read allot and observe. You on the other hand feel an almost obsessive need to puff out your chest at every opportunity and tell everyone about your marvelous personal accomplishments, expertise, experience and understanding of a G37! Woohoo, I not impressed.

Now that I've accomplished what I originally intended, you can have fun playing with yourself and leave the technical information to those who understand and are aware of how to utilize it.

See ya!

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