F.I. Long Tube Headers Vs. PPE Long Tube Headers

JC671 · 05-31-2011, 07:06 AM

Folks, I'm thinking of getting one of these LTHs down the road and was wondering whether those with experience with one or the other could chime in.

It seems like both are claiming to similiar whp gains. Do those who bought each one can post a dyno with just the LTH to prove it? Obviously both vendors have posted graphs but I would like to see one from those with them on their cars.

There's a huge price difference on both and one takes awhile to get while the other is readily available. Is there any other reason to buy the more expensive one (F.I.)? I'm just wondering because that is a huge price difference.

Not starting to cause a brand vs brand war here. Simply looking to see what the end users experiences and justifications to spend more. Thanks folks.

XwChriswX · 05-31-2011, 10:18 AM

It's going to be hard to find someone to do an independent dyno with just the F.I. LTH's due to the fact the stock exhaust would be to restrictive for them and you will not see any gains. Most if not all of the people that buy them buy and have either already installed a CBE or in my case, had them both installed at the same time. The best you could hope to achieve with that is seeing what an FI LTH + CBE combo at the same time will net you.

As for the PPE Headers, I don't know how many people off the forum have them, but I know only of 2 or 3 people on the forum that do, and I haven't seen any Dyno's posted of just the headers yet.

In terms of going along with not wanting to start a brand v brand war, I would say to take a look into the FI LTH thread and see how many satisfied customers there are.

F.I. Inc. · 05-31-2011, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by JC671

Folks, I'm thinking of getting one of these LTHs down the road and was wondering whether those with experience with one or the other could chime in.

It seems like both are claiming to similiar whp gains. Do those who bought each one can post a dyno with just the LTH to prove it? Obviously both vendors have posted graphs but I would like to see one from those with them on their cars.

There's a huge price difference on both and one takes awhile to get while the other is readily available. Is there any other reason to buy the more expensive one (F.I.)? I'm just wondering because that is a huge price difference.

Not starting to cause a brand vs brand war here. Simply looking to see what the end users experiences and justifications to spend more. Thanks folks.

The thread is warranted and appreciated in my book.

I do not take it as a brand war. However I would like to clear one thing up. I have taken a long look at the PPE headers in a few different pictures and I have made it very clear observation. "They are not long tube headers, they are mid length headers!"

I am sure someone will defend them and say that I am wrong and that I am being biased. I assure you that I am not wrong nor being biased. I have built enough shorty's, Tri-Y's, mid length and long tubes over the years to spot what is what.

With that being said, I will answer your questions in the order that they were asked.

1. You probably will not find someone with just our Long Tube Headers and a stock exhaust. From a performance standpoint it is not good and from a sound standpoint it will be loud and rough!

2. I do not know where theres are made or how much they are selling them for, however I could take a few guesses if they are dirt cheap.

My headers are priced very reasonable for what you are getting. They are custom built one by one out of 304 stainless steel. Even the sets I ceramic coat are 304 stainless steel, not mild steel! I have a long waiting list and this is the way it is.

I can assure you from all of the testimonials, the wait is worth it.

I appreciate the questions and if you have any further, please do not hesitate to call me directly...

Thank you,

Nissanboy · 05-31-2011, 04:58 PM

F.I. has my vote as I've seen nothing but positive reviews and great dyno results. Plus the sound it makes is sexy

F.I. Inc. · 05-31-2011, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Nissanboy

F.I. has my vote as I've seen nothing but positive reviews and great dyno results. Plus the sound it makes is sexy

Thanks for the positve feedback!

Ron · 05-31-2011, 06:01 PM

PPE headers are actually more expensive if you want them in 304ss and ceramic coated. They advertise a +23whp gain on a nismo and there is member on here who says he got +20whp with a stillen CBE (no dyno sheet yet).

Tony what is the gain for your LTHs? (CBE vs CBE + LTHs), if you don't mind me asking? I am sure its posted somewhere, but I am on the phone and its a PITA to search lol.

SPOHN · 05-31-2011, 07:19 PM

So what exactly seperates mid length from long tube headers. Is it a measurement? Just curious. My vote would be FI from what I've seen.

jnaut · 05-31-2011, 07:27 PM

I actually installed my headers (FI) with the stock exhaust and the sound was amazing, very exotic. The power Increase was there but only a butt dyno.

chuckd05 · 05-31-2011, 07:39 PM

I have PPE SS and ceramic coated... and picked up great power but it was installed with a flywheel and re tuned... also had a new motor put in since last tune... soo a ton of variables... but I picked up 20whp when it was all said and done.. I will post a chart this evening as I am home from vacation and free the rest of the night..

I got mine used off the black nismo on PPE's site... they make a ton of headers for Toyota and lotus.. they even have a set for the IS-F and they are not that cheap.. I got mine used for a great price... new I am not sure I would of gotten them going into the install blind like I did but I am very happy... I will post a chart soon !

the problem with my currect graph is that TQ is on one side and a/f is on other, they forgot to change it to HP so you can not see the HP numbers, but the max avg and another reading is on the bottom of the mustang dyno print out.. I will get one with HP soon

chuckd05 · 05-31-2011, 07:58 PM

click on the picture to go to the webshots site, than hit the magnifying glass...

the air fuel line goes way up into the TQ and makes it confusing, I need to get a clearer graph printed with HP written on the side as well.. but you can clearly see the increase in HP in the upper RPMS, and on the bottom it says MAX and AVG numbers

XwChriswX · 06-01-2011, 02:27 AM

I did my baseline and came out to 248hp/210 tq. After installing F.I. LTH + CBE, Cobb Post MAF Tubes and K&N Drop ins, I was at 283hp/230tq. On a 7AT in 4th gear, due to gearing limitations a 5th gear run isn't possible pre-tune. But basic math alone says thats a gain of roughly almost 40hp/20tq. Not bad without a true intake or a tune. Which is my next two steps... I know environment changes but here it's always a constant <90*F so I'm not worried about temp variance, and both runs were done on a Mustang Dyno.

chuckd05 · 06-01-2011, 07:26 AM

Chris those are real nice gains. Again mine are over test pipes but all the fi dynos look great as well.

But chris why didn't they monitor your a/f?

Kingbaby · 06-01-2011, 07:36 AM

Great Thread

Props on the F.I. on being active!

XwChriswX · 06-01-2011, 12:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chuckd05

Chris those are real nice gains. Again mine are over test pipes but all the fi dynos look great as well.

But chris why didn't they monitor your a/f?

Cause I wasn't doing any tuning, it's just pure number pulls. Thats how they do it there. Once I get my intakes and pulleys, then I'll be ready for a tune.

TBOX · 06-01-2011, 12:14 PM

I've also been wondering on the route to take. One thing that has been a factor in consideration is installation. From my understanding from chuckd05, the Ppe is much more involved to install. In his post before he referenced the shop having to pull the motor, where as they had done several FI without needing to.

05-31-2011, 07:06 AM	#1 (permalink)
JC671 Enthusiast Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Guam Posts: 451 Drives: Toretto around Rep Power: 14	F.I. Long Tube Headers Vs. PPE Long Tube Headers Folks, I'm thinking of getting one of these LTHs down the road and was wondering whether those with experience with one or the other could chime in. It seems like both are claiming to similiar whp gains. Do those who bought each one can post a dyno with just the LTH to prove it? Obviously both vendors have posted graphs but I would like to see one from those with them on their cars. There's a huge price difference on both and one takes awhile to get while the other is readily available. Is there any other reason to buy the more expensive one (F.I.)? I'm just wondering because that is a huge price difference. Not starting to cause a brand vs brand war here. Simply looking to see what the end users experiences and justifications to spend more. Thanks folks. __________________ A special "Thank You" to the Fast Intentions Crew! "Fueled By Passion"

05-31-2011, 10:18 AM	#2 (permalink)
XwChriswX WFLYIDNNE Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: In The Fastlane Posts: 50,648 Drives: 02 GDB WRX Rep Power: 451	It's going to be hard to find someone to do an independent dyno with *just* the F.I. LTH's due to the fact the stock exhaust would be to restrictive for them and you will not see any gains. Most if not all of the people that buy them buy and have either already installed a CBE or in my case, had them both installed at the same time. The best you could hope to achieve with that is seeing what an FI LTH + CBE combo at the same time will net you. As for the PPE Headers, I don't know how many people off the forum have them, but I know only of 2 or 3 people on the forum that do, and I haven't seen any Dyno's posted of just the headers yet. In terms of going along with not wanting to start a brand v brand war, I would say to take a look into the FI LTH thread and see how many satisfied customers there are. __________________ Bonnie - Stage 2, Audio build coming this fall! R.I.P. Abby 3/29/10 - 3/30/14

05-31-2011, 07:19 PM	#7 (permalink)
SPOHN A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Covington, GA Age: 45 Posts: 14,844 Drives: Waiting on next Z Rep Power: 221	So what exactly seperates mid length from long tube headers. Is it a measurement? Just curious. My vote would be FI from what I've seen. __________________

05-31-2011, 07:27 PM	#8 (permalink)
jnaut A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: wpb, fl Posts: 1,146 Drives: 09 370z Rep Power: 17	I actually installed my headers (FI) with the stock exhaust and the sound was amazing, very exotic. The power Increase was there but only a butt dyno. __________________ Best 1/4 mile 12.24 Best mph 114.5_______

05-31-2011, 07:39 PM	#9 (permalink)
chuckd05 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: NY Posts: 2,391 Drives: No longer a Z Rep Power: 19	I have PPE SS and ceramic coated... and picked up great power but it was installed with a flywheel and re tuned... also had a new motor put in since last tune... soo a ton of variables... but I picked up 20whp when it was all said and done.. I will post a chart this evening as I am home from vacation and free the rest of the night.. I got mine used off the black nismo on PPE's site... they make a ton of headers for Toyota and lotus.. they even have a set for the IS-F and they are not that cheap.. I got mine used for a great price... new I am not sure I would of gotten them going into the install blind like I did but I am very happy... I will post a chart soon ! the problem with my currect graph is that TQ is on one side and a/f is on other, they forgot to change it to HP so you can not see the HP numbers, but the max avg and another reading is on the bottom of the mustang dyno print out.. I will get one with HP soon __________________ 09 370Z 6M PW - FBO Best 1/4 mile = 12.926 @ 109 SOLD -- 08 BMW 135i - FBO 12.1@120mph SOLD -- white 09 e92 335 Coupe Mtech - 11.9 @ 119 :-) Last edited by chuckd05; 05-31-2011 at 07:46 PM.

05-31-2011, 04:58 PM	#4 (permalink)
Nissanboy Enthusiast Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: H-Town Posts: 378 Drives: Too slow Rep Power: 14	F.I. has my vote as I've seen nothing but positive reviews and great dyno results. Plus the sound it makes is sexy

05-31-2011, 06:01 PM	#6 (permalink)
Ron A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 3,009 Drives: TT '11 PW Nismo #113 Rep Power: 21	PPE headers are actually more expensive if you want them in 304ss and ceramic coated. They advertise a +23whp gain on a nismo and there is member on here who says he got +20whp with a stillen CBE (no dyno sheet yet). Tony what is the gain for your LTHs? (CBE vs CBE + LTHs), if you don't mind me asking? I am sure its posted somewhere, but I am on the phone and its a PITA to search lol.

05-31-2011, 07:58 PM	#10 (permalink)
chuckd05 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: NY Posts: 2,391 Drives: No longer a Z Rep Power: 19	click on the picture to go to the webshots site, than hit the magnifying glass... the air fuel line goes way up into the TQ and makes it confusing, I need to get a clearer graph printed with HP written on the side as well.. but you can clearly see the increase in HP in the upper RPMS, and on the bottom it says MAX and AVG numbers __________________ 09 370Z 6M PW - FBO Best 1/4 mile = 12.926 @ 109 SOLD -- 08 BMW 135i - FBO 12.1@120mph SOLD -- white 09 e92 335 Coupe Mtech - 11.9 @ 119 :-)

06-01-2011, 07:26 AM	#12 (permalink)
chuckd05 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: NY Posts: 2,391 Drives: No longer a Z Rep Power: 19	Chris those are real nice gains. Again mine are over test pipes but all the fi dynos look great as well. But chris why didn't they monitor your a/f? __________________ 09 370Z 6M PW - FBO Best 1/4 mile = 12.926 @ 109 SOLD -- 08 BMW 135i - FBO 12.1@120mph SOLD -- white 09 e92 335 Coupe Mtech - 11.9 @ 119 :-)

06-01-2011, 12:14 PM	#15 (permalink)
TBOX Enthusiast Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Upstate New York Posts: 356 Drives: 09 370z MB M6 Rep Power: 15	I've also been wondering on the route to take. One thing that has been a factor in consideration is installation. From my understanding from chuckd05, the Ppe is much more involved to install. In his post before he referenced the shop having to pull the motor, where as they had done several FI without needing to.

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