Wonderful 3 1/2 years and 22,000 miles and then ....

swiss370Z · 10-07-2014, 03:40 AM

Short story bigger impact for me

The story:
Invitation of Nissan Switzerland
NISMO Nürburgring "track day" 23/09/2014

Ohhhhh Yeahhhhhhh

23.09.2014 / 04:00 in the morning
I started to the Nürburgring in Germany.
Open highway, no speed limit, no traffic.
Sometimes with speed over 175 mph (280 Km/h)
Was a pleasure

11:00
Coffee break and refuel gasoline (after 280 miles)

12:00
Briefing and instruction of the Nissan Crew

13:00
Grid on the Nürburgring Nordschleife

13:05
"Gentleman, pleas start your engines"

13:07
Someone knocks on my window
"Hello Sir, your "Z" smokes a little blue from the exhaust"

The Nissan mechanic on site have recommended to me not to start.
The "Z" still run......and I can not drive a single round

Since that day, the "Z" is with my tuner.
For those who do not know my conversion, here is my build:
First STILLEN Supercharger 370Z swiss

In the next few weeks / months we will analyze what happened.
If we have to remove the engine, I will at the same time upgrade the internal parts.
With us, the winter is coming and we have enough time to build up the "Z" perfect.

My wish list for Spring 2015:
The existing STILLEN-Kit
(Because we have officially entered this kit with great effort in Switzerland (carb legal))
AND I LOVE IT!

10 - 11 PSI Boost
460-480 WHP

Planned upgrades and service:
- 340lph fuel pump
- 750cc Fuel Injectors
- GT-R Spark Plugs
- Replacement of all belts (motor and supercharger)
- Replacement of all lubricants

Now the real questions:

1. Individual parts replaced?

- Piston
- Connecting Rods
- ARP main studs
- ARP L19 head studs
- etc.

2. Or even the extreme?

- Brian Crower Stroker Kit (4:07 or 4:37)
BrianCrower.com | RunBC.com // Nissan // VQ35DE

3. Which compression would you with my power / boost (10 - 11 PSI) recommend?

- 11 Stock
- 10.5
- or ... ??

Many Thanks for your help and recommendations
Please only helpful Posts

Greetings
Ivo

@Vendors or Sponsors
Feel free to shoot me an offer by PM for the above items

COSMO · 10-07-2014, 07:11 AM

With the stillen sc I would go 11.1 or you will lose a few boost of boost to make up for a lack of power..

Mitco39 · 10-07-2014, 08:42 AM

So a little blue smoke but everything else seems fine? Have you checked the oil level in the stillen? Knowing how those things heat soat I can only imagine how hot it got at 280km/hr for an extended period of time.

Do you have an oil temp gauge? what was it reading during those high speed runs? I know mine will creep up with the turbo, I would imagine a SC would be worse.

jwick · 10-07-2014, 08:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mitco39

So a little blue smoke but everything else seems fine? Have you checked the oil level in the stillen? Knowing how those things heat soat I can only imagine how hot it got at 280km/hr for an extended period of time.

Do you have an oil temp gauge? what was it reading during those high speed runs? I know mine will creep up with the turbo, I would imagine a SC would be worse.

Isn't the Stillen a selfcontained oil system?

Pie · 10-07-2014, 08:55 AM

swiss370Z · 10-07-2014, 09:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mitco39

So a little blue smoke but everything else seems fine? Have you checked the oil level in the stillen? Knowing how those things heat soat I can only imagine how hot it got at 280km/hr for an extended period of time.

Do you have an oil temp gauge? what was it reading during those high speed runs? I know mine will creep up with the turbo, I would imagine a SC would be worse.

The Vortech V-3 SCi supercharger has an internally lubricated Transmission

The outside temperature that day was about 12 -18°C (50-65 F)
The engine oil temperature was never higher than 110°C (230 F)
during those high speed runs

The engine has been slightly unbalance after starting at the racetrack.
But this is only at idle Speed

Unfortunately I have no information about what is really going on yet?

Mitco39 · 10-07-2014, 09:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jwick

Isn't the Stillen a selfcontained oil system?

Could be, I thought the level could be checked tho?

Quote:

Originally Posted by swiss370Z

The Vortech V-3 SCi supercharger has an internally lubricated Transmission

The outside temperature that day was about 12 -18°C (50-65 F)
The engine oil temperature was never higher than 110°C (230 F)
during those high speed runs

The engine has been slightly unbalance after starting at the racetrack.
But this is only at idle Speed

Unfortunately I have no information about what is really going on yet?

It just seems weird that a supercharger would cause an engine failure so early. What were your AFRs like during your high speed runs? What boost was the it pushing at those speeds? Just curious.

I guess its possible that the engine was not made to spec.

I look forward to seeing pics of the rebuild process!

jwick · 10-07-2014, 09:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mitco39

Could be, I thought the level could be checked tho?

Absolutely. My only point was that unlike an oil cooled turbo system, the Stillen SC has an independent oil source.

swiss370Z · 10-07-2014, 09:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mitco39

It just seems weird that a supercharger would cause an engine failure so early.
I look forward to seeing pics of the rebuild process!

I must admit that I am the "Z" very driven at the limit.
On the highway, many chief vehicles (Audi, Mercedes, BMW and Porsche) have afflicted me from behind.
And it was very nice to see how quickly they disappeared in the rearview mirror.

I myself have the "Z" moved with the STILLEN SC in the last 3 1/2 years just for fun.
Swiss Alps, rides with GT-R's, racetracks and always at the limit.
I have very well kept it. All 4,000 miles was made a complete service.

It was aware that at some point something could happen.

jwick · 10-07-2014, 10:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by swiss370Z

I must admit that I am the "Z" very driven at the limit.
On the highway, many chief vehicles (Audi, Mercedes, BMW and Porsche) have afflicted me from behind.
And it was very nice to see how quickly they disappeared in the rearview mirror.

I myself have the "Z" moved with the STILLEN SC in the last 3 1/2 years just for fun.
Swiss Alps, rides with GT-R's, racetracks and always at the limit.
I have very well kept it. All 4,000 miles was made a complete service.

It was aware that at some point something could happen.

We all play with fire

Akurei · 10-07-2014, 10:02 AM

Dang that sucks. Usually blue smoke indicates fried piston rings, but there has been several occassions where it was come from valve seals. I never had either luckily (I don't mean that in a bad way)

JDMFairlady21 · 10-07-2014, 02:18 PM

Sorry to hear the issues bud... try contacting Abbey Motorsport in England, or Monstaka in France, they might have the engine parts in stock and might save you on import taxes and shipping. Just mention Alex from Real Auto Dynamics and they should be able to take care of you

Good luck!

swiss370Z · 10-07-2014, 02:36 PM

Thanks Alex

JDMFairlady21 · 10-08-2014, 09:27 AM

no worries mate.. I've worked with Mark (owner) @ Abbey on numerous z33/z34 builds, as well as Charles (owner) @ Monstaka as well! Both know their stuff with these cars and are in the same supply chain as my facility

Keep us posted!

mikey1600 · 10-08-2014, 11:01 AM

sorry to hear about the problems.

would be interesting to see the JUN high comp pistons with e85 :P

10-07-2014, 03:40 AM	#1 (permalink)
swiss370Z Track Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: In the Mountains Posts: 649 Drives: VW UP! 1.0 Ltr Rep Power: 14	Wonderful 3 1/2 years and 22,000 miles and then .... Short story bigger impact for me The story: Invitation of Nissan Switzerland NISMO Nürburgring "track day" 23/09/2014 Ohhhhh Yeahhhhhhh 23.09.2014 / 04:00 in the morning I started to the Nürburgring in Germany. Open highway, no speed limit, no traffic. Sometimes with speed over 175 mph (280 Km/h) Was a pleasure 11:00 Coffee break and refuel gasoline (after 280 miles) 12:00 Briefing and instruction of the Nissan Crew 13:00 Grid on the Nürburgring Nordschleife 13:05 "Gentleman, pleas start your engines" 13:07 Someone knocks on my window "Hello Sir, your "Z" smokes a little blue from the exhaust" The Nissan mechanic on site have recommended to me not to start. The "Z" still run......and I can not drive a single round Since that day, the "Z" is with my tuner. For those who do not know my conversion, here is my build: First STILLEN Supercharger 370Z swiss In the next few weeks / months we will analyze what happened. If we have to remove the engine, I will at the same time upgrade the internal parts. With us, the winter is coming and we have enough time to build up the "Z" perfect. My wish list for Spring 2015: The existing STILLEN-Kit (Because we have officially entered this kit with great effort in Switzerland (carb legal)) AND I LOVE IT! 10 - 11 PSI Boost 460-480 WHP Planned upgrades and service: - 340lph fuel pump - 750cc Fuel Injectors - GT-R Spark Plugs - Replacement of all belts (motor and supercharger) - Replacement of all lubricants Now the real questions: 1. Individual parts replaced? - Piston - Connecting Rods - ARP main studs - ARP L19 head studs - etc. 2. Or even the extreme? - Brian Crower Stroker Kit (4:07 or 4:37) BrianCrower.com \| RunBC.com // Nissan // VQ35DE 3. Which compression would you with my power / boost (10 - 11 PSI) recommend? - 11 Stock - 10.5 - or ... ?? Many Thanks for your help and recommendations Please only helpful Posts Greetings Ivo @Vendors or Sponsors Feel free to shoot me an offer by PM for the above items jaytirbhaw and ANMVQ like this. __________________ /// ONE LAST RIDE /// R.I.P. FAIRLADY Z /// Last edited by swiss370Z; 10-07-2014 at 10:34 AM.

10-07-2014, 07:11 AM	#2 (permalink)
COSMO A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: FL Posts: 1,816 Drives: 2012 Touring GTM TT Rep Power: 19	With the stillen sc I would go 11.1 or you will lose a few boost of boost to make up for a lack of power.. swiss370Z and Team_STILLEN like this.

10-07-2014, 08:42 AM	#3 (permalink)
Mitco39 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Edmonton Alberta Canada Posts: 2,089 Drives: 40th 370z Rep Power: 131	So a little blue smoke but everything else seems fine? Have you checked the oil level in the stillen? Knowing how those things heat soat I can only imagine how hot it got at 280km/hr for an extended period of time. Do you have an oil temp gauge? what was it reading during those high speed runs? I know mine will creep up with the turbo, I would imagine a SC would be worse. __________________ 2007 Chevy Duramax - EFILive Tuned By Me 2010 40th W/ Nav - Boosted Performance - UpRev Tuned By Me The Mrs. Ride -2012 335XI N55 BMW - Cobb Tuned By Me, Built by her My Build --> http://www.the370z.com/members-370z-...39s-build.html

10-07-2014, 10:02 AM	#11 (permalink)
Akurei Enthusiast Member Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: California Posts: 319 Drives: 14 370z Rep Power: 11	Dang that sucks. Usually blue smoke indicates fried piston rings, but there has been several occassions where it was come from valve seals. I never had either luckily (I don't mean that in a bad way) swiss370Z likes this. Last edited by Akurei; 10-07-2014 at 10:07 AM.

10-07-2014, 02:18 PM	#12 (permalink)
JDMFairlady21 Enthusiast Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: LI, NY Posts: 347 Drives: 03 Z33 TT Redline Rep Power: 15	Sorry to hear the issues bud... try contacting Abbey Motorsport in England, or Monstaka in France, they might have the engine parts in stock and might save you on import taxes and shipping. Just mention Alex from Real Auto Dynamics and they should be able to take care of you Good luck! swiss370Z and mag_black like this. __________________ http://i48.tinypic.com/2h6t15w.jpg Real Auto Dynamics 516.442.7155 \| alex@realautodynamics.com www.facebook.com/RealAutoDynamics

10-07-2014, 08:55 AM	#5 (permalink)
Pie A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: volibear smash Posts: 1,681 Drives: rawr Rep Power: 426

10-07-2014, 02:36 PM	#13 (permalink)
swiss370Z Track Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: In the Mountains Posts: 649 Drives: VW UP! 1.0 Ltr Rep Power: 14	Thanks Alex JDMFairlady21 likes this. __________________ /// ONE LAST RIDE /// R.I.P. FAIRLADY Z ///

10-08-2014, 09:27 AM	#14 (permalink)
JDMFairlady21 Enthusiast Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: LI, NY Posts: 347 Drives: 03 Z33 TT Redline Rep Power: 15	no worries mate.. I've worked with Mark (owner) @ Abbey on numerous z33/z34 builds, as well as Charles (owner) @ Monstaka as well! Both know their stuff with these cars and are in the same supply chain as my facility Keep us posted! swiss370Z likes this. __________________ http://i48.tinypic.com/2h6t15w.jpg Real Auto Dynamics 516.442.7155 \| alex@realautodynamics.com www.facebook.com/RealAutoDynamics

10-08-2014, 11:01 AM	#15 (permalink)
mikey1600 Track Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 503 Drives: MY11 370z Black Rep Power: 15	sorry to hear about the problems. would be interesting to see the JUN high comp pistons with e85 :P swiss370Z likes this.

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