Hopefully in about 7 hours or so, I'll be able to upload some pictures of my delivery. We can see if their work quality has dropped.

Lets assume that everything is fine with GTM. Do you really want to do business with a company with the reputation it has now? The reputation does not just come out of thin air. I would be highly stressed and pissed if I knew my turbo kit was going to take more than a year to get to me with no end date in site. People are here mostly to warn others of what has happened. Old habits do die hard and GTM has proven it in the old 350z community and here.

More power to you if you want to wait it out. In the end, it is your money and not mine.

Sam has lied before and if anyone believes anything he says now then it is your lost.

That's pretty much my issue. I don't think it's logical to act like GTM is a good company to spend money with. Even if they do finish these guys 2 projects, and it takes them another year to fill the group buy is that even enough? When you have forum members complaining about how Sam owes them more then 19k because his story of installations and whatnot varied daily, how can one justify that type of business?

Well said sir. Especially the part about said company's old habits from my350.

You don't give a flying ****, but I can read the anger in your post. :icon14:

You are the same as every other poster who still had work going on there telling the community they have it all wrong about GTM. I wish you luck that you are the minority that receive a functioning complete vehicle that met your original goals.

Guy, guys lets not fight here plz, remember GTM's dark force is strong in lies, deception and just literally ******* ppl over, so lets not*fight over it, instead look in to light and just help each other out.

I am a mhi gb member and i haven't received my kit nor $ back, if i have known these things earlier i would have never payed, if some one have warned me from 350z forum.

So plz lets inform positive and negative, but not bash eachother ty.

Not trying to bash but they're people here acting as if GTM isn't the dark force. That's why this thread needs to educate new comers.

I really wish I could go back to my posts back in 2010. I was the one that said that I would never give GTM my money because of various reasons. Then I got ridiculed by the community for saying what I said AND purchasing/installing a Greddy 20G TT Kit. THEN GTM had the nerve to come on the forum and talk about how the Greddy Kit is inferior to theirs. THEN they had the nerve to announce a MHI TT Kit.

I don't give a flying **** about how GTM does business, because I am not doing business with them and never intended to after the conversations that I had with SAM and various other people that worked with him at the time. I don't have a pitchfork or hate in my heart, but I will tell the truth about my experience with them and how the community reacted to my posts. In my opinion, the only thing they make that I like are their videos.

bullitt5897:

Come on dude. You are saying the you and JARBlue are the only sane people in this thread? There are plenty of people that have approached this situation level headed and given a solid perspective on what happened in their experience with GTM. I know you were around when I was being attacked on the forum and I even warned you about dealing with those guys. I may not have 10k posts, but I am far from new around here Mr OG. I really wanted to go back and quote myself from back then, but the search stops at 500.

Where the fvck did that come from? I think it's been pretty well established that GTM is far from fine. Crucify GTM for all I care; I certainly wouldn't ever give them any of my money. All I pointed out was the unnecessary attacks on bullitt for providing some additional information on the situation. It's not like he recommended GTM in any way, shape or form - he was very clear that he has a complex relationship with Sam, which is likely because he had such a complex build it would be quite difficult to just pull the car out of the shop. The hatred against GTM is so thick in this thread, you guys just can't be reasoned wtih. No one here is promoting GTM - if you feel otherwise, please quote the specific wording that you feel comes across as "use GTM, they can be trusted". Otherwise, quit acting like people are promoting GTM in this thread.

Nice assumption :shakes head: I haven't purchased anything from GTM. Ever.


If they actually finish out the GB, there are still going to be plenty of anti-GTM people. And when something breaks they're all going to say I told you so. All we can do is steer fellow forum members in a better direction if GTM sticks around. But for the guys that still have cars/money there, it appears that not all hope is lost. Not quite sure why y'all are rooting for GTM to fail when it will be at the expense of a number of fellow Z/G owners :icon14:

I didn't read anger in his posts except for towards the anti-GTM people attacking him for letting them finish his build. You just want GTM to fail at any cost :gtfo2:

Let me just be clear on my thoughts here:

FUCK GTM :tiphat:

This is about the only reason I can put any onus on the people who spent money at GTM. I wasn't even seriously looking to purchase any of their products. But it was several years ago that I realize how sketchy GTM's business practices were. There wasn't a doubt in my mind that I would never send any money their way.

There is plenty of info in this thread to steer people away from GTM. I don't believe there are any posts in here that would convince someone (that isn't an idiot) to spend money at GTM. Let's try not to bash other forum members (not aimed at you, Rob), even if you feel they made a bad choice in GTM; it's not your fvcking money and it's too late for them to go somewhere else. I, for one, just hope that everyone gets what they want, whether that be a full refund or their kit :twocents:

Again I appreciate it JARBlue... My only issue is with the personal attacks. I have only come here to update those with projects and orders with GTM on the current state of the shop while I was there. My information comes from multiple different sources and they all have common themes among them. These themes mimic what I saw in person and proved themselves to be fact. So I decided to share with you all. Take it for what you will. If you don't care so be it. If I say I don't give a flying **** it means just that. I have nothing to prove to anyone in this community. That being said if I know something that will help others I will share it. Right now it looks like GTM is trying to climb out of a deep hole.

Car is amazing, everything is just what I asked for, except for a few CELs that I have to clear. Not exactly sure it's GTM's fault or not. It's nothing major, just standard airbag light and stuff since they ripped out my dash.

Shipping unload
Off truck
Bumper on
Interior

*edit - rotated interior picture.

Whoa! Whats going on here??

The last thing I want to see is members turning on each other for trying to help by either warning others or putting at ease the few waiting members in this bad situation.

Im going to PLEASE ask everyone to keep the discussion civil and not make it personal.

I think there is already plenty of info to make NEW people aware of the issues here and to think twice about going the GTM route.

I again can only hope everyone gets whats owed to them so they can move on.

IF WE can't move passed this I'll just close it.

Should be interesting to see if the CEL and airbag light come back on lol... I really have no horse in this race though. I'm genuinely happy for you to get your car back and that you are satisfied and happy with it, from one car dude to another:tup:

Congrats on getting her back.

Im digging the new gauges :tup:

Well everybody, I am glad to announce that Sam is actively reading this thread!

He just called me and helped elaborate on how to fix the few CELs I have. Say what you want about GTM, but it seems to be turning around. He earned a few brownie points in my book at least. I am very satisfied.

-Ill

He will earn mad brownie points when he finishes the group buy and maybe then some since it's been such a clustermess.

Idk if I would say its turning around quite yet. GTM has a reputation to rebuild and that will take some time. It seems they need to up their customer service game tremendously. That will help by leaps and bounds. Its going to take more than getting the MHI group buy finished. Its going to be a difficult road, but it is possible.

Im also kind of disappointed to see you guys attacking bullitt for simply giving his observations. At no point did he ever defend the actions of Sam and GTM. He stated that he observed the employees at GTM working hard to get things done. Trying to make things right. Im actually happy to hear that. Im happy that the situation isn't what the forum speculators painted it to be. From what you read here you would think that Sam left the country with everything and that he never intended on fulfilling any of his duties. I hope GTM can bounce back from this. Everyone here knows that they have had some cool products and have done some cool builds. Sure they ripped off from CJM's fuel products. Shame on them for that. But they have had some original designs too.

Before everyone pounces on me for "defending" GTM, I was also somewhat screwed over and lost out on $500. Thats no where near what some of you have lost, but I was livid. At this point in time, I don't plan on being a GTM customer, and it will take A LOT to win me back. Im talking a lot. But I hope that GTM can right their wrongs with all of the customers caught up in this crazy situation, step up their customer service, and reestablish themselves in the Z community. Everyone wins with a good shop. Competition is a good thing. Also remember, that its bad stories like these that really make you appreciate a good shop.

I was pondering on this thought the other day. Let's say some how GTM pulls off the 2 year long group buy, finishes everyone's build, squares away money owed to customers for hypothetical installations. Do you honestly think that a reputation this skewed can be repaired? Honestly, I don't think so as they're companies with great customer service and great products, plus no history of sketchy deals. However, I wonder what this community has to say about this? Is it possible because I say no but I don't represent the community. I do sales on forums but it's for the 4x4 side of the world. With that community this would not have been so easy, as they're a different breed of people. So I wonder.

I think the things that you listed will just right the wrongs. Their reputation won't be repaired just by doing that, simply because they are/were supposed to do those things in the first place. They are in the negative. Rectifying the current issues won't put them in the positive in my book. They will be set back to zero. Even then, they still have an uphill battle to earn new customers and an even harder obstacle retaining any past customers given their current reputation. It will take years more than likely to be a reputable business again. GTM has a lot of rear end kissing to do with this community. To be honest, Im not sure what they can to do accelerate the process of regaining a positive status. One thing that really irritates me personally are the CJM copies. Even the instruction manual is copied word for word. Personally I would like to see GTM use actual CJM products, rather than GTM branded copies. Charles is a stand up guy who works hard to design and test products for this platform. GTM ripped off of his R&D for a direct copy. It appears to be legal since they are allowed to do this, but it is not the moral thing to do.

First, GTM needs to own up to this entire steaming heap of feces. Sam needs to own up. GTM will not gain any ground with this community without coming on here, admitting that they were wrong, and that they royally screwed the pooch. Issue out a sincere apology. If that doesn't happen, most members here won't give a second look. Even if they do, there still will be some members who won't buy it. GTM will have to prove over time, with over the top superb customer service and top notch products, that they are a company worth doing business with.

Sam, I hope you are reading this and are giving these suggestions sincere consideration.

Now that's a really well response. Thought out and reasonable. Kudos man!

Wasn't trying to offend you JARblue. Sorry if you took it that way. Was trying to make a general statement to everyone too. No one may be promoting GTM but people are still throwing money at him.

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I totally remember this at the shop now! The black intercooler and piping made me jealous when I saw it! The car looks GREAT!

My first and only post in the thread.

I read forums the same way I live my life. I take what I think is useful or interesting and leave the rest of the junk. If I don't like what I see/read, I skip that part. People read too much into things on forums.

I have read every post in the thread and some things just seem like simple facts (some personal, some from simple statistics, some from experience). It's entertaining (sorry if it's to your expense).

A good way to learn is from your own mistakes, but the best way to learn is from others.

Have a Good Day.
YzGyz (Wise Guys)

^^^

LOL

Wut

Did you ask Sam what the heck happened that they could not get my waste-gate relocation kit ordered through CZP done in 5 months?

It's just 2 simple Tial waste-gates, some down pipes and misc piping for the recirculation option. The fact they can't get something that simple together is further telling of the fact they can't get any TT kits shipped out the door.

Next time you run a PR mission to Rancho Cucamonga, ask Sam that for me will ya? KTHNXBYE!

Hey I'm looking to buy one of the two...threeish runners for the GTR conversion!

Regardless of what's going on is one available ???

Almost forgot about that "mishap". Another prime example.

First of all not a PR mission. Secondly, the attitude is not needed. I went to check on my car out of legitimate concern for the time it was taking to complete. That and I had a plethora of parts that needed to come home like a ~$800 dry carbon intake duct... So I went to see the progress, check in the condition of my car, pick up my stuff, talk to sam one on one and it soo happened to be a prime time to ask him questions about what is really going on.

I don't know about your order or the mishap that happened there. However, if you want to confront me feel free to do it in PM. I hold myself to a high stadard and what I put out is the truth. If you don't like it so be it... Go play elsewhere. I harbor no bad feelings about what has been posted or those in this thread but... If another person decides to insinuate that I am on a PR mission or that I am lying I have no problem calling AK or Frost or even Trips on the phone and letting them deal with you.

I am a very nice person who was thinking of others when I posted... If you people do not want insight and want your little witch hunt by all means have one on your own. This forum can quickly turn into my350 they way you guys are starting to act... And everyone hates my350!

I don't think the name calling, harassment of other members, and the name dropping should continue. We need to chill out and remember GTM is the only one worthy of the harassment.

I believe that most of us are on the same page here. I don't think that GTM deserves name calling either. I agree with putting out good info AND the truth.

On a side note, I had no idea that they copied Charles designs. Sad thing is everyone knows who is who in this community. How could they expect to get away with sone of the crap that they do. Another shining example of honor and integrity.

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I don't have a dog in this fight. But bustin' Bullet's balls on this is uncalled for. All he did was tell us what he saw and heard, nothing more. Some people here are putting more into it then what was said. :(

I do agree that Sam has major issues.

It's a great source of knowledge and foresight !

No need to start acting

One more thing don't ban me...

Just here for resolve and a r35 mani conversion...

:bowrofl: don't worry, I hear they wanna get stuff done now.

I don't think you are lying or their PR machine, I just think you are blind. After everything that has happened, you still put too much trust in the words of a real liar.

:shakes head: :shakes head: :shakes head: I am done... have fun :rolleyes:

Man i'm so glad and so sad at the same time after reading this.

I really was thinking about saving up some $ to get the Quad-Exaust from GTM because it looks so kool and unique ..... but then i don't think i will do that anymore

It is sad that some one us have to go thru this kinda bullsh*t, and i do wish you guys the best of luck