Did he take delivery of the car? There were several cars in the shop including a g37... And it did have a kit on it...

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No idea, just stating what I read from his post. My issue is that I don't know anyone who would just shoulder a 20k loss...

To recap...

You think the consumer should have to stay on a business's *** in order to get the product they pay for? If someone isn't a pain in the *** to Sam it doesn't seem to get done, and even if they are it doesn't seem to get done. We aren't talking a couple dollars here, this dude has literally screwed people out of thousands of dollars. This is not "business" GTM is not a BUSINESS. They're crooks, because I've never met a ******* business model that was take people's money and not deliver products. That ***** called theift. I really don't understand after all the threads between plenty of forums how someone with a good conscious could ever defend GTM or try to rectify the situation. It boggles my mind. The only way someone could come in here and justify these business ethics is if they're themselves just as shady as a person.

Had this been the cowboy and Indian days or any day where men where still held accountable for their words. Sam would have either his hands cutoff by now or hung infront of the whole town to show you that it's not okay to **** people over. Sadly, we have turned into the times where ******** can jack people out of money and some douchebags will come to the internet and justify his ethics.

/rant.

If that is the case it's a whole different story...

Please point out where I have come out to defend what was done by Sam... I did not come in here to defend GTM... I have expressed my issues with Sam and the business practices that have transpired. I simply came here to give the community updates that they are still working on items and trying to rectify the issues they have created. That is all I came here to do.

Just to throw some more information out there, I am finally receiving the shipment of my car tomorrow night at 6pm. I called Sam multiple times a day and he was giving accurate updates of the progress whenever I asked him. Took a bit longer then expected, but he claims there was a car there that kept having issues and small issue after issue slowed my build down. Once my build was finally ready to be dynod, my oil pressure was a little different then what they are used to seeing, they did a bunch of tests and verified that it wouldn't be an issue. Like I said, small little problems with the other car the tech was working in and small problems with my car ultimately slowed it all down. I can see similar situations happening and thus slow and big the entire shop down.

I finally received my dyno sheet and set up for shipping, which took awhile because of where I am located and didn't want to pay for a closed single trailer.

It took awhile, but It all worked out and it was completed as I was told it would be, just not when I expected.

I was the only MB 370z they had in the shop, did you by chance see it bullit? Was my baby girl looking good?

I did not get a chance to see it up close. But if it was like the other vehicles in the shop they were all being well taken care of. I am glad your is finished and yes there were several problem cars in the shop that were slowing things down. Each tech was working on multiple cars each day was a different car. They are making progress but it is slow...

bullitt5897:

Just so that we are clear, I am not taking a shot at you. I know posts can be interpreted in many ways (especially on this forum), but I just wanted to put that out there.

At this point anyone even trying to defense said company looks extremely foolish. Only one who should speak on said companys behalf should be owner and no one else. This is the 3rd or 4th pperson who has said almost same thing verbatim. The "let's get it done" attitude was hilarious and sounded familiar. Owner can't even take 3 minutes to log in here and open his mouth but seems to have lots of servants who can speak on his behalf. What a shame. After all the evidence people still wanna play blind.

Right? If I did owe you 20K and had some issues come up that I couldn't provide you the service I would keep you updated often. As I would feel bad for falling short of my own expectations. However, he has not updated or spoke on the companies behalf which says a lot

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Actually, if I recall his account is locked so he wouldn't be able to if he wanted... Mods please correct me if I am wrong...

Im not hating here but I cant believe someone is actually talking behalf of Sam,
Mike@GTM was here and said everything we need to know about "GTM"

Do I have to quote his post for reminder? if not then /End of story.

The lets get it done attitude comes from the techs who are actually working on the cars... They want to see these projects through. GTM was closed on Saturday yet one tech still came in to work on a car... The tech's are very passionate about the platform from what I have been able to gather while at the shop.

People aren't stepping up and defending GTM's past or the failed group buy... Honestly, I have my opinion on how the shop should be run... But I didn't build the company and I have not had to deal with the day to day issues that arise in the shop. Pablo is probably running for sainthood ship right now having to answer all the outrage customer phone calls. That man is one of the nicest people I have ever met and had to talk to on a daily basis.

Just remember when you call that:

"You catch more flies with honey, than you would with vinegar..."

Remember that when talking to the people on your order or project and you will get more for the time you spend on the phone... Pablo will bend over backwards for you. But, you have to be nice and build a report with him.


As for my project:
Right now my car is probably back on a lift being put back together. It should be running by the end of the month... Figuring the tech is working on several other projects and my build is retarded complex.

It isn't hating, it's realistic. You can't honestly expect this community as close knit as it is to sit by and let people defend GTM. Personally I don't think it would be right to new comers to get an idea they're a decent company.

Who is defending GTM??? Stop saying people are defending them when obviously everyone is saying they are not.

You say no one is defending said company.....

Do you have any idea how it sounds to everyone when you speak of said company?

Perception is a bitch right? Everytime he talks in my eyes it sure seems like he's defending them. Maybe I am crazy.

I'll try to explain it in more detail.

I was in the GB for the TT kit, when they announced they were taking payments I gave a payment of about 12k for the kit itself, installation, valve body upgrade, oil cooler and transmission cooler.

After about a month I decided I wanted to have my transmission built, so sam too the car to start the job, he told me it would be done in a month (which I knew wasn't going to happen) at this point there still was no sign of the turbo kit. But sam says that by the time the transmission is done the turbo kit will be out and ready for install.

So 8k for the transmission and 12k for the turbo adds up to the 20k.

There was some more parts that I purchased from him but they were all electronics which I got back.

So anyway, this is where the "Gap" happens, it was basically just back and forth calls about what was going on, he claimed the turbo kit would be ready to install next week, next month, every call was a different excuse and same was for the transmission. This went on for MONTHS. After 7 months of him having my car with no turbo kit and the transmission not finished, I lost interest in the car. I told him I didn't want the kit, I knew he couldn't go back on the transmission because I knew they had started that. I wanted a refund on my 12k for the turbo. A month went by and no refund of course, so finally he gave me a day that the transmission would be finished, I had a 4 hour drive to pick it up just to get there and it wasn't finished. He claimed it wasnt fully broken in and he couldn't give me the car. I said screw it and took it, signed some papers, this is where it happened.

He claimed he had told me the turbo kit was on the car, and I had insisted on him removing it. He "Charged" me for the installation, removing it, and a bunch of other bs. Somehow, the 12k had disappeared and I have yet to understand. I didn't receive a turbo kit just like the rest of you guys. I just wanna know where he pulled a turbo kit and installed it over night. The transmission never worked either, shifted like crap. Ended up getting a new tranny and selling the car.

I honestly don't like to think or talk about it. I guess I was just waiting till everyone else spoke about how they've gotten screwed.

Jesus Christ. That's horrible.

If I was defending them I would be making excuses for them... I have made no excuses. However, because I haven't pulled my car and picked up my pitchfork and torch you guys have the perception that I am defending them.

How about I know more of what is going on behind the scenes then most on this forum and I have chosen not to get outraged but to think logically about what has happened. Has Sam made really bad business decisions that many would feel err on the side of unethical... Hell yes... But as you stated perception is a 8itch!!! The forum only has one side of the story. I have multiple sides of the story...

Do I choose to tell you all everything I know? To be bluntly honest "no...". Why should I? What would be gained? Judgement has already been passed in the eyes of many of you without knowing the full story!

That's the problem! Many of you sit behind your keyboards and puff out your chests and claim this or that. But did any of you actually go to the shop? Did you actually research the document posted? Did you perform deep research into the company? Did you talk one on one with employees? Did you talk one on one with locals and customers as well as former employees?

No you didn't... Most of you make judgements from information spewed on this forum whether it be correct or incorrect...

Am I defending GTM? NO! I am simply stating get all the darn facts before you pass judgement... None of you know what is going on right now in the shop. So how can you say for certainty that the shop is doomed???

This thread of information is like: a glass of saltwater from an ocean... The breadth of knowledge of the facts is sooo shallow.

So to end my little rant: get the facts, talk to the multitude of people involved and then take a logical look at the outcomes before passing your holy judgement... OR don't and have fun with your pitchforks and torches. I for one choose to be level headed.

Or the business could provide the product people paid for. Try not paying your drug dealer or poker debt of 20k. LoL. Shoot, try not paying a bank loan of 20k back. They'll take everything you own and kick your kids out the house you're living in.

I am not arguing that point at all. The money is owed to the customer... Said and done no argument or excuse there.

Personally I would have offered to send him another kit if the GB fell through maybe a stage 2 tt kit or something as an upgraded system free of charge. But that's just me... I did that for a few customers with UAM... I would rather a customer run my product and be happy they got a deal and a product...

Lol. Hey "OG", did u read what Mike from said company had to say? That answers all the questions you asked. We didn't have to go to said company or deep research anything (the hell would we HAVE to do that anyway? Any good business wouldn't require that bullchit) because one of his top ex-employees stated what we ALL knew. Did you work there, or does he have so much of ur money tied up in your project you're just trying to sugar coat your side of the story. Just wondering are you the owner of the mythical 1k hp Z? If so then it would make TOTAL sense of what you're trying to do here.
What you call us doing with "pitchforks" is just the community calling it as we see it. A top ex employee already stated how said company runs and we have more than enough real life member experience of how they were screwed. Pitchfork my @ss. There's nothing more to add other than its truly sad what your choice of words were about said company, especially coming from a "OG"

Ok first of all I had and still do the ability to pull my car at any time. I however, choose to allow them to finish the car.

Sugar coating lol don't make me laugh...

I read Mike's responses and even spent time with him last Saturday. So yeah I know what and why he said it. He confirms the bad decision dealings that Sam had made... I confirmed that as well. I chose not to go into details cause it had already been posted. No one and I repeat myself no one is downplaying or mitigating that bad business decisions were made and that customers paid the brunt force of the mistakes made. This is the true tragedy of what has happened. I just choose not to go witch hunting as the moderators have already stopped the bleeding in our community. Sam will now have to work his way into the trust fold here.

Yeah I am one of the original OG's and no I am not sugar coating anything. What else can be said about the issue but to regurgitate what others already have?

I simply came in here to give an update and to inform those with projects and money owed that GTM was working to rectify the issues. But hey if you want to consider that defending a company then hell I couldn't convince you that snow is white...

With that said I am done. I gave my update... GTM is working to make things right which says a good bit considering the amount of work and owed money ahead of them. Ill is a prime example of them trying to get things finished and corrected but hey I'm just cheerleading over here... Sarcasm...

Well hopefully Sam never makes his way back into this community or any other one for that matter. Considering the complaints here and various other forums, he doesn't deserve the business.

Working to make things right says NOTHING until things are actually right. I'm sure they're working on making their turbo kits right too, you know? Just my .02

Addicts are always just about to get over their addiction. Proof is in the pudding.

Call me names all you want... I do not give a flying ****... The sad thing is the judgement you place will never go away even if things were fixed... Once a hater always a hater. Most of the people hurt by the GB haven't even posted up... Several had gotten refunds already and they haven't posted up... Cars have been finished and others pulled from the shop yet not all of them have posted up...

So yes call me a denier... I know more about what's going on then you. I have seen proof of what they are trying to do in person... So grab your hater cap and continue on hating cause all you are doing is making it worse for the victims... Ill posted up his problem a few weeks ago and guess what he now is on schedule to receive a finished car but hey that's not proof that GTM is trying to rectify the situation nope not at all... It is up to the buyers to choose to post and most don't...

<<<< Denier of Ignorance!

hmmmmm if GTM does eventually go belly up, i wonder if i can get a Stage4 7AT cheap when they liquidate :stirthepot:

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Thank you bullitt for some additional perspective. You're being crucified unnecessarily by people who seem to think that GTM has filed for bankruptcy, shut down the shop, and disappeared. Obviously, GTM is still working on customer's cars. Good luck getting your build finished up.

To those with flaming pitchforks already in hand, I do not blame you for wanting to crucify GTM. But FFS, there's no reason to attack a fellow forum member who is several years deep into his GTM build. I suspect if bullitt was looking to start his build in the last 6 months, his posts would be much different. I don't quite see how you guys think he was defending GTM - he was just stating his observations of the shop in its current state. I don't think anyone is reading through pages of this thread, and then getting to bullitt's post and thinking to themselves, wow GTM sounds like a great choice for my build :twocents:

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Although, the fact they are currently working on customer cars doesn't mean they haven't began the bankruptcy process.

JARblue,

Thank you for the response. It is nice to see that I am not the only Sane person in here...

Chuck,

They have not started any bankruptcy process... Are they tight yes... Does it look like they will fold? No...

The document posted in this thread was a bankruptcy for filing of a different named company. Not sure if GTM was a dba or the bankruptcy filing was for a subsidiary or completely separate company. You're absolutely right, but I think we just don't have enough information to make an assumption on whether the GTM shop is going to remain open or shut down due to bankruptcy.

Yeah, there's some funky ownership issues going on, but someone related to this debacle began filing bankruptcy. Bullitt, take anything Sam says about a filing with a grain of salt. He's not above looking someone right in the eyes and lying to them.

Glad to see you around a bit more, Chuck. Hope the new job has been going well. You're just 7 posts from Elite. Get on it!! :postwhore: