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Originally Posted by m3chhawk Just out of curiosity, why didn't you use the boost controller? Just to touch on that.... I will be doing a test on the next local

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Just out of curiosity, why didn't you use the boost controller?
Just to touch on that....


I will be doing a test on the next local dyno tune comming up in a couple of weeks here to figure this boost thing out.

I have done a lot of research, and it seems that the 1.32 a/r housing may just be optimal for these engines in the high RPM's. The dyno Gale posted is with the 1.15 a/r housing, and it still spools VERY fast. Because it does spool so fast, the turbine may still be a bit of a restriction in the upper RPM's. It makes perfect sense, but needs to be proven. To do this, I will log the EBP (exhaust back pressure) on the identical housing for a local tune with the 1.15 a/r housing. This is the exhaust pressure just before the turbine housing inlet (not after the turbo). This will give me (and I will share this as I do everything) a solid idea of what is going on, and if a larger turbine is indeed the way to go. This was my suspicion with with the 1.0 a/r housing, hence the upgrade in size. It did not work out as I had anticipated.


This engine is very efficient, and flows so well (and a lot) in the 6,000 to 8,000rpm that these (smaller) turbines may be a bit of a restriction. I have spend a lot of time trying to figure this out. I have also talked to a couple of shops that run these turbos on stroked 2JZ's, and they are making 700whp with these turbos and the 1.15 a/r housings. The guys are also saying that they would not even think about going to the 1.32 a/r housings as they are "for V8's". I am starting to think that the 370z engine at 7,500rpm flows a lot more than a V8 at 5,000rpm (for example). I also have a customer making 580whp with the identical twin scroll kit on a 350z, and the boost is solid from 3,500rpm to 7,000rpm on a 350z. But then again, on the VQ35, there is no point of going any higher with the RPM's, and there is a 200cc displacement difference.



It seems like the boost holds just fine up to about 6,500rpm, and then falls a bit after that. I am not sure why the EBC is unable to hold the boost steady/flat. I will get to the bottom of it, and as mentioned will report back.
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I am starting to think that the 370z engine at 7,500rpm flows a lot more than a V8 at 5,000rpm (for example).
Theoretical volumetric efficiency numbers:

LS1 at 5,000 RPM: 501 cubic feet per minute
LS1 at 6,000 RPM: 601 cubic feet per minute
VQ37 at 7,500 RPM: 490 cubic feet per minute
2JZ at 6,800 RPM: 360 cubic feet per minute

So assuming even a slight bump in volumetric efficiency for the VQ over the LS1, you are in the upper operating ranges of an LS1 and 25% more than a 2JZ

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Just to touch on that....


I will be doing a test on the next local dyno tune comming up in a couple of weeks here to figure this boost thing out.

I have done a lot of research, and it seems that the 1.32 a/r housing may just be optimal for these engines in the high RPM's. The dyno Gale posted is with the 1.15 a/r housing, and it still spools VERY fast. Because it does spool so fast, the turbine may still be a bit of a restriction in the upper RPM's. It makes perfect sense, but needs to be proven. To do this, I will log the EBP (exhaust back pressure) on the identical housing for a local tune with the 1.15 a/r housing. This is the exhaust pressure just before the turbine housing inlet (not after the turbo). This will give me (and I will share this as I do everything) a solid idea of what is going on, and if a larger turbine is indeed the way to go. This was my suspicion with with the 1.0 a/r housing, hence the upgrade in size. It did not work out as I had anticipated.


This engine is very efficient, and flows so well (and a lot) in the 6,000 to 8,000rpm that these (smaller) turbines may be a bit of a restriction. I have spend a lot of time trying to figure this out. I have also talked to a couple of shops that run these turbos on stroked 2JZ's, and they are making 700whp with these turbos and the 1.15 a/r housings. The guys are also saying that they would not even think about going to the 1.32 a/r housings as they are "for V8's". I am starting to think that the 370z engine at 7,500rpm flows a lot more than a V8 at 5,000rpm (for example). I also have a customer making 580whp with the identical twin scroll kit on a 350z, and the boost is solid from 3,500rpm to 7,000rpm on a 350z. But then again, on the VQ35, there is no point of going any higher with the RPM's, and there is a 200cc displacement difference.



It seems like the boost holds just fine up to about 6,500rpm, and then falls a bit after that. I am not sure why the EBC is unable to hold the boost steady/flat. I will get to the bottom of it, and as mentioned will report back.
It may not be a similar problem as it is boosted vs N/A, but I am having a similar problem with my LTH's. In the low/mid ranges, it improves power greatly, but after 6500rpms power flatlines, and indeed begins to drop off. I belive the flow of the vq37 even in N/A form is very high and the LTH's aren't able to keep up, thus becoming the choke point. This flatlining was apparent in dyno's before and after tuning. With K&N drop ins and a full 2.75" CAI.

Just thought this info might help in confirming the theory the vq37 flows a Lot of gasses in the high rpm bands.
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