Originally Posted by Dzel (Post 2515585)

This decision had been made way before we had our little talk today. Either way your out.

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Originally Posted by Jayhovah (Post 2515615)

Sounds like good news and good news with Sam's successful surgery and speedy recovery to go along with the free upgrade. Are all of us in the group buy eligible?

I seem to remember a post that suggested using the Garretts might necessitate drilling the upper oil pan - any merit to that? Any other ways the layout of the kit might differ with the different turbos?

Great customer service! Really unbelievable.

Originally Posted by Dzel (Post 2515585)

This decision had been made way before we had our little talk today. Either way your out.

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Originally Posted by Dzel (Post 2515779)

So the mitsu can provide more power but the Garretts are less reliable but have less turbo lag am I on par so far?

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Originally Posted by Dzel (Post 2515779)

So the mitsu can provide more power but the Garretts are less reliable but have less turbo lag am I on par so far?

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Originally Posted by SPOHN (Post 2515752)

And for the two guys that asked about the Garrett turbo oil return line. No you will not have to tap the upper oil pan. We will still be using the GTM oil baffle pan for our source of return.

Originally Posted by SAM@GTM (Post 2331527)

Yes, it is possible and will be available for sale separately. You can mount the pan with the Garrett kit to get more volume. However, we don't recommend using the returns on the oil pan with the Garrett kit since the Garrett turbos are a lot more sensitive to oil return line. We have extensive experience with Garrett turbos and even per Garrett's recommendation, the oil return needs to be above the oil level.

Bear in mind that we didn't wait until now to do an oil pan out of laziness or to make installing the original turbo kit harder. There is a technical reason for requiring drilling of the upper pan for the oil returns on the Garrett kits. Putting the oil return in the lower pan drastically increases the chances of developing a smoking issue. Basically, the oil will go out the turbine shaft seal into the exhaust instead of into the pan. Keep in mind that ball bearing turbos require just a fine mist of oil to lubricate the bearings and when it comes out of the bearing section that is spinning at 50,000 - 130,000 rpm, it is very frothy and does not flow very well compared to liquid oil. This is why the return needs to be above the oil level: to give the return oil enough room to flow out of the line and calm down.

This is not an issue with the Mitsubishi journal bearing turbos since they require much higher oil volume and pressure to support the journal bearing riding on a film of oil. That is why we can use the oil pan on this kit.

Sam

Originally Posted by SPOHN (Post 2515780)

Garrett's are more reliable, Spool easier, and responded better.

Originally Posted by Dzel (Post 2515938)

Where did you get this info from? Dsmtuner.com, brickboard.com and a few others say different. I don't have any turbo experience so excuse the noob questions

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Originally Posted by Mike@GTM (Post 2515505)

UPDATE: First off, I apologize for the delay in getting the schedule up on the boards. Sam had to have an emergency brain surgery last Thursday. As some of you know, he had broken his leg a little while back. Unfortunately, a blood clot formed in his leg and traveled up to his brain which caused some serious neurological issues. Last week, his condition worsened and he ended up having to take a ride in the ambulance to the ICU. The surgery was a success and thankfully, Sam is alive and on the road to recovery. While he is healing, he is not able to be here 24/7 like he used to, so please bear with us as Sam gets better and back up to 100%.

Now, for some good news: as a reward for bearing with us for as long as many of you have, we are offering the Garrett ball bearing turbos as a no-cost upgrade to those that want some ball bearing goodness. :) Normally, this would be quite a bit more expensive, but we are offering it to those that want to take advantage of it. For comparison purposes, the 16g is comparable to the GT2860RS turbos with a 0.64 A/R turbine housing. The 18g is similar in response to the GT2860RS with the 0.86 A/R turbine housing in terms of response, but the 18g has an advantage in power. That said, the stock engine is realistically only capable of sustaining up to ~630chp for a daily driven application. So, even though the 2860RS turbos with the 0.86 A/R turbine housings are “only” capable of 700chp and the 18g turbos are capable of 800chp, it’s a moot point on a stock engine. Now, if you are going to be running a built engine and want a turbo comparable to the 18g, then Garrett’s GT2871R with the 0.64 A/R turbine housing is the answer. That said, it is a significantly more expensive turbo and we simply cannot offer it as a free upgrade at this price point, but as a $400 upgrade.

We will be posting a schedule as soon as Sam and I have an opportunity to catch up on the expected delivery times from our suppliers.

Originally Posted by Baer383 (Post 2512105)

Let me just say if you guys knew why you would feel like azzholes for bitchen.:shakes head:

Originally Posted by Mike@GTM (Post 2515505)

UPDATE: First off, I apologize for the delay in getting the schedule up on the boards. Sam had to have an emergency brain surgery last Thursday. As some of you know, he had broken his leg a little while back. Unfortunately, a blood clot formed in his leg and traveled up to his brain which caused some serious neurological issues. Last week, his condition worsened and he ended up having to take a ride in the ambulance to the ICU. The surgery was a success and thankfully, Sam is alive and on the road to recovery. While he is healing, he is not able to be here 24/7 like he used to, so please bear with us as Sam gets better and back up to 100%.

Now, for some good news: as a reward for bearing with us for as long as many of you have, we are offering the Garrett ball bearing turbos as a no-cost upgrade to those that want some ball bearing goodness. :) Normally, this would be quite a bit more expensive, but we are offering it to those that want to take advantage of it. For comparison purposes, the 16g is comparable to the GT2860RS turbos with a 0.64 A/R turbine housing. The 18g is similar in response to the GT2860RS with the 0.86 A/R turbine housing in terms of response, but the 18g has an advantage in power. That said, the stock engine is realistically only capable of sustaining up to ~630chp for a daily driven application. So, even though the 2860RS turbos with the 0.86 A/R turbine housings are “only” capable of 700chp and the 18g turbos are capable of 800chp, it’s a moot point on a stock engine. Now, if you are going to be running a built engine and want a turbo comparable to the 18g, then Garrett’s GT2871R with the 0.64 A/R turbine housing is the answer. That said, it is a significantly more expensive turbo and we simply cannot offer it as a free upgrade at this price point, but as a $400 upgrade.

We will be posting a schedule as soon as Sam and I have an opportunity to catch up on the expected delivery times from our suppliers.

Originally Posted by Baer383 (Post 2516109)

I hope some of you guys feel like azzholes now.:shakes head:

Originally Posted by Chuck33079 (Post 2516119)

I don't think that's fair. The kit's been delayed well past the original date with no real set timetable for shipping, and there's no mention of any of this until last night other than some vague "I know but I won't tell" posts.

Originally Posted by Baer383 (Post 2516130)

It is fair me and Chris (SPOHN),Dzel have been hinting as much as we could b/c we were told not to say anything but most people did not want to listen to 3 established members so yes it is fair!

Originally Posted by Chuck33079 (Post 2516136)

I disagree, but that's the beauty of the Internet. :tiphat:

Originally Posted by Baer383 (Post 2516145)

You disagree b/c you weren't in the loop.:shakes head:

Originally Posted by Chuck33079 (Post 2516153)

Only you three seem to have been. I just don't think anyone should feel bad about their impatience. It's completely justified given the big picture. Now that the info is out, everyone has been very supportive of the GTM family. Again, you're entitled to your opinion on this, as am I. Neither of us are even a part of the group anyway. :rofl2:

Originally Posted by Baer383 (Post 2516176)

EVERYBODY should be supportive of GTM they deliver a superior product and they don't rip anybody off, give away free stuff,and Sam has helped me numerous times in the past year including giving me a free tune when I swapped from my 2010 to my 2013 Nismo.

Originally Posted by Baer383 (Post 2516130)

It is fair,me and Chris (SPOHN),Dzel have been hinting as much as we could b/c we were told not to say anything but most people did not want to listen to 3 established members so yes it is fair!

Originally Posted by puckshaw (Post 2516181)

Give me a break. None of us knew what was going on and had every right to be asking for updates on a long overdue kit. You guys didn't give any real information. Stop acting like you're better than everyone else. "Established members" :rofl2:

Originally Posted by Dzel (Post 2516167)

I won't speak for others but I feel like I have entitlement to info especially when I paid in full. And I would actually call and email for the info I received I didn't just sit here and bitch

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Originally Posted by Baer383 (Post 2516190)

Put some more posts up and you can be a established member,

You have the right to ask for updates but we were told not to say anything that is a hard line to stand on with the members on one side and GTM on the other we hinted as much as we could and yes all 3 of us have very good reps so you should have listened to us at least a little.

Originally Posted by Baer383 (Post 2516190)

Put some more posts up and you can be a established member,

You have the right to ask for updates but we were told not to say anything that is a hard line to stand on with the members on one side and GTM on the other we hinted as much as we could and yes all 3 of us have very good reps so you should have listened to us at least a little.

Originally Posted by Baer383 (Post 2516224)

This is why you are still pissed off ,you can't read!!!:shakes head:

Originally Posted by puckshaw (Post 2516226)

I'm not pissed off. I was still responding to the fact that you said we should feel like ********. Let's move on.