Just being funny.

Can't be in if there is nothing to be in

So does the price go back up if enough people drop out?

Was #17 on the list....I have the cash on hand but I've heard way to much about the turbo being used on this kit.:ugh2: I'm sure they are good but after the STS kit.....:icon14:

No. It's all honored. Guys just wait. There's good news at the end. Yes it's long but no one else is putting out yet. I feel this will still be out first.

Used? Clearify please? If you HEARD say who or it's you who responsible for such rumors.

Listen to him he knows what he's taking about

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As do I

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Wrong form of used. Think "implemented" not "previously installed."

To be honest I'm not going to come on here and bash GTM. I won't do it. But with that being said I'm being told this is the same turbo that was used on a subbie. Not trying to start anything.:tup:

Unless they've switched to IHI turbos, that can't be the case. Mitsus are common upgrades on Subies. Maybe a slight miscommunication? 16/18/20Gs are fairly common turbos. That's a good part of the reason this kit can hit the price point it does. There's nothing wrong with them, I just prefer ball bearing to journal bearings.

A few Impreza's used MHI's in the mid-2000's

True, I read the comment to mean current Subies. They've been IHI since at least 2002 here.

They both have the ups and downs. Journal bearing hold up better for tracking and are far cheaper to rebuild. Ball bearing definitely spool better in all forms but have a shorter life span(how much, don't know). But most times you have to replace the turbo. From what I read. Not sure about rebuilding. Either way cost is higher.

I still like ball bearings myself. I might be upgrading.

What are you basing this reliability on?

Ball bearing turbos require less oil flow, lower chance of seal leakage, better shaft damping, no thrust bearings, and overall less wear....

That I can't recall exactly when I read the article way back. So I'm basing it on that. So maybe I'm out of place. The article could of been old to think of it. I'll look for it. You are correct for the upmost. I'll look for it.

EDIT: there's no solid info besides old timers claiming there JB have lasted as long as there motors and being cheaper to rebuild. So BB FTW.

It could of been. Either way I'm just worried about the quality vs price. I'm sure it will be a great kit for the money but I am wanting something more and something unique.:tup:

I called gtm. They said they've switched their specialty to rotaries. Y'all can take a hike.

Lets start that rumour

What was the point off that vid? Did the turbine get stripped some how?

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Thats how well a double ball bearing turbo spools with no airflow. Journal bearing turbos stop spinning seconds after. So that vid shows greatness.

Here how ball bearings work.


Now imagine that on turbo but with dual ball bearings instead that comes with GTX:tiphat:

Ya'll should see experimental air foil bearings - almost zero friction while spinning. :)

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Dual wheel, axial flow, with variable veins :stirthepot:

I'd love to see something like that on a Z, but aren't VNT turbos huge? Do we have room for something like that?

Not sure you would see the benefit. From memory, I think they are designed for low-speed, small (2.0L), diesel engines.

UPDATE: First off, I apologize for the delay in getting the schedule up on the boards. Sam had to have an emergency brain surgery last Thursday. As some of you know, he had broken his leg a little while back. Unfortunately, a blood clot formed in his leg and traveled up to his brain which caused some serious neurological issues. Last week, his condition worsened and he ended up having to take a ride in the ambulance to the ICU. The surgery was a success and thankfully, Sam is alive and on the road to recovery. While he is healing, he is not able to be here 24/7 like he used to, so please bear with us as Sam gets better and back up to 100%.

Now, for some good news: as a reward for bearing with us for as long as many of you have, we are offering the Garrett ball bearing turbos as a no-cost upgrade to those that want some ball bearing goodness. :) Normally, this would be quite a bit more expensive, but we are offering it to those that want to take advantage of it. For comparison purposes, the 16g is comparable to the GT2860RS turbos with a 0.64 A/R turbine housing. The 18g is similar in response to the GT2860RS with the 0.86 A/R turbine housing in terms of response, but the 18g has an advantage in power. That said, the stock engine is realistically only capable of sustaining up to ~630chp for a daily driven application. So, even though the 2860RS turbos with the 0.86 A/R turbine housings are “only” capable of 700chp and the 18g turbos are capable of 800chp, it’s a moot point on a stock engine. Now, if you are going to be running a built engine and want a turbo comparable to the 18g, then Garrett’s GT2871R with the 0.64 A/R turbine housing is the answer. That said, it is a significantly more expensive turbo and we simply cannot offer it as a free upgrade at this price point, but as a $400 upgrade.

We will be posting a schedule as soon as Sam and I have an opportunity to catch up on the expected delivery times from our suppliers.

Well that's ironic (Garrett bb upgrade) given the conversation here today....

Anyway, there are things in life that are far more important than boost. Best of luck to Sam and a speedy recovery.

:tup: That's why I threw it out there like that. :bowrofl:

I told you guys would be happy. Now this kit will be kicking a$$. Now who has the best bang for the buck?

Hope Sam gets well soon.

Pencil me in for the GT2860RS. But what about the GTX2860R?

And please tell Sam to get well soon!

Wow. That's pretty damn scary. Glad he pulled through. That's something that can end you in a hurry. Pass along all of our best wishes.

Best of luck on Sam's recovery. It's terrible hearing more bad news since picking up mine a couple weeks ago. But what a great offer for these guys. That's fantastic! Who doesn't like free turbo upgrades?

That's a great deal for the guys in the group buy. Good job taking care of the customers.

It's crazy wild for sure. After talking to Sam a few days ago you can tell in his voice it's a life changing experience. Sam is a great guy and is very passionate about what he does. He will talk cars all day if not to busy. Sam and GTM as a hole are some true innovators for our cars. Not to mention Sam couldn't do it without is team.


So tower74 what's the here say on the Garrett turbo being ''used" or ''used on another subbie"? :icon14:

Being the turbo-tard that I am :hello:....I will apologize in advance of this question.

I have a plain jane stock engine with tp's and exhaust. I had on order the 18g kit, so now going with the Garrett BB turbos I should get the GT2860RS with the 0.86 A/R turbine housing ??? :confused:

yes

This decision had been made way before we had our little talk today. Either way your out.

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