Fast Intentions "Twin Turbo Kit" is here

Nixlimited · 08-13-2014, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by mfeinst

That being said, I think 10.7-10.8 would help mileage, but I'm not sure if that's pushing the envelope too much.

I'm not so sure it would. I suspect the majority of your driving is in closed loop cruise fueling mode where you are targeting stoich (14.7:1). You are only going to be getting that rich when under high boost. And if you are under high boost, then there is no point in thinking about fuel mileage.

Now, I have read about people lean tuning for closed loop mode (e.g. 15+:1). That's an interesting idea. It actually works OK from a power output standpoint, but I think the potential issue is the heat. Inevitably, some fuel is not burned, even when targeting stoich, and that fuel is being vaporized and absorbing heat. Take it away and that's more heat the block has to deal with. Not good on a VQ.

1slow370 · 08-13-2014, 07:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nixlimited

I'm not so sure it would. I suspect the majority of your driving is in closed loop cruise fueling mode where you are targeting stoich (14.7:1). You are only going to be getting that rich when under high boost. And if you are under high boost, then there is no point in thinking about fuel mileage.

Now, I have read about people lean tuning for closed loop mode (e.g. 15+:1). That's an interesting idea. It actually works OK from a power output standpoint, but I think the potential issue is the heat. Inevitably, some fuel is not burned, even when targeting stoich, and that fuel is being vaporized and absorbing heat. Take it away and that's more heat the block has to deal with. Not good on a VQ.

Thats not how it works but sure.

mfeinst · 08-14-2014, 10:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nixlimited

I'm not so sure it would. I suspect the majority of your driving is in closed loop cruise fueling mode where you are targeting stoich (14.7:1). You are only going to be getting that rich when under high boost. And if you are under high boost, then there is no point in thinking about fuel mileage.

Now, I have read about people lean tuning for closed loop mode (e.g. 15+:1). That's an interesting idea. It actually works OK from a power output standpoint, but I think the potential issue is the heat. Inevitably, some fuel is not burned, even when targeting stoich, and that fuel is being vaporized and absorbing heat. Take it away and that's more heat the block has to deal with. Not good on a VQ.

My thinking is more to cut down a tad on in-boost consumption, since there is an incredible volume of air/fuel going through the cylinders in that state and even a few tenths of a point are likely to make a tangible difference. I'd probably go from 1.5mpg to 2.5mpg under load LOL

And on a more serious note, the only thing I really want to adjust is the loudness/drone of the exhaust, which can get tiring. Anyone up for a non-res & 18" res swap out?

conmam · 08-14-2014, 04:37 AM

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Originally Posted by 1slow370

^ wtf? are you thinking lean? all running rich will do is eventually foul plugs and o2 sensors. if he were running 7-8 to one then MAYBE he would have to worry about washing the rings but 10.5 isn't going to do any real damage. All he is doing right now is wasting fuel and losing power.

Time will tell . 7-8 to one A/F will only bog your engine with black smoke. Happened to my 98 Supra TT many times and finally kill the rings at about 20K miles. But 10.5 : 1 under full boost is likely OK, as long as you don't idle and running part throttle at this A/F ratio.

Arrvaxx · 08-13-2014, 03:35 PM

The cool thing is that you can get that coating off in 5 minutes with a metal cleaner. I do it once a week just to make sure they look their best and will long term.

Arrvaxx · 08-19-2014, 06:37 PM

Been holding off on my review because I wanted to post some vids of the insane power but drag day is a week away and track day two and a half. So I decided to do a review with some pics followed by the vids in a few weeks.

Where to start? Maybe with a simple summary, “wow”.

And I don’t mean wow just because of the raw power. Lots of superchargers and turbo kits have power. But what I find astonishing is how effortlessly the Fast Intentions twins bring on that power and how clear it is to me that if Tony and Dan built a system for themselves this would be it; it is not just a bunch of parts. It is a commitment to quality and performance fueled by their honest and true passion.

Presales:

When I first contacted Fast Intentions I was expecting a series of email exchanges. I’m not a turbo expert so was ok with that. I had lots of questions and didn’t want to waste their time by asking they educate me on my time. Tony would have none of that. He told me that he would rather talk about what I wanted to accomplish than communicate via email.

I’m glad he did. Before I sent my deposit we probably spent three hours on the phone over the course of two weeks with a few email clarifications along the way. Tony’s main concern was understanding what I wanted to do with my car both short term and long term. Was it a daily? Drag? Track? Was I going to build the motor and push in to the 700 and 800 hp range? How did I like it stock (to make sure they didn’t make things I don’t like worse).

I had done some research and thought I knew what ‘parts’ to put together but after talking to him it was clear that I didn’t know a thing. He suggested downsizing several items and eliminating others all together; all along the way educating me.

What I Ordered:

- Twins w/Garrett GR28RSR turbos
- Bosch 650cc injectors
- Upgraded fuel system (ended up being the FAST-500)
- Test pipes with 2.5” non-res catback (100 cell inserts)
- Specialty Z 6 puck and flywheel combo
- Setrab 32 row oil cooler
- Tilton CSC
- HKS Racing M Series spark plugs
- Whiteline rear diff bushings
- Uprev w/three tunes (5 maps)
- Full installation done by F.I. including the eBoost2 boost controller

Why am I including the non-turbo items? Because Fast Intentions understands that turbos don’t exist in a vacume. Our cars do not come stock with forced induction. Some parts are not meant to be pushed to 600 hp. Of course they will sell you a ‘kit’ but at least look at what else they make available because it is made available because you –will- need it.

I placed my order will full confidence that the car would be returned to me and perform –reliably-.

Post Sale/Post Delivery:

Tony knew I was driving my car home which was 2000 miles away...through a desert and over the Rockies...in the heart of summer. He checked in with me every day to make sure things were working. I felt like if the car died at 3am in the Mojave he would have gotten in his GT-R, grabbed Dan and his tools and been there. I said felt...of course I would never have expected that.

But my point should be clear; Tony and Dan care just as much about your car as you do. They 'get it.'

Build Impressions:

It is my belief that people tend to have a very narrow focus of view when making comments like ‘the build quality is excellent’. They seem to look at weld quality and make broad stroke statements based on them. I am not a build quality expert but it is hard to imagine how what I received could have been of any better quality; even down to the seals being o-rings instead of gaskets. Just amazing.

Some people have commented that the Fast Intentions setup is not self-installation friendly. I’m not going to disagree. But the reason it is not friendly for most of us is that it is designed with efficiency and performance in mind over many other things. “Oil filter is in the way and routing around it will decrease efficiency…so move it.” And oh by the way, “Lets use milled parts for the relocation.”

Ok, removing my washer fluid reservoir was a surprise! I had a good laugh at that. But really…washer fluid or perfect placement of the intakes? There is still room in the area so I’ve decided to have a custom aluminum reservoir made. But you can just as easily get a small plastic one too. In the end I appreciated that Tony and Dan have their priorities straight!

It’s interesting because ‘efficiency’ turned out to be amazingly stealth. At shows I get a lot of people coming by to check out the engine bay. They are almost universally shocked to see what looks like a stock bay with polished intakes. I’ve had a number of people pull back and bend down to look at the intercooler because they thought my car wasn’t ‘that’ car.

Insanity:

I thought that I was crazy when I swore the turbos began to spool at 2500-2800 rpms with full boost around 4500 but someone else posted their thoughts just a week ago and said the same thing so I’m going to call it confirmed. These things spool fast, come on hard, and don’t ease up all the way to redline. And against Tony’s advice…they’ve seen it in several gears.

I think the way the power comes on is the biggest surprise. I’ve driven several boosted cars before and most of the time you have to use the throttle to keep boost out of turns. That and there is that ‘turbo surprise’ at some ‘magical’ rpm. Not here. In fact the power comes on so quick that I really have to be careful when coming out of turns. It’s like driving a new car and I love every minute.

Bottom line is that if there was one thing missing from the Fast Intentions setup it is new tires. They need to be wide and sticky. It isn’t hard to spin the OEMs in third.

Oh...exhaust. I have test pipes to non-res catback with 100 cell cat inserts. It is not as loud as a Harley but it is no kitten. I'll post vids of the sound after drag day. It is deep and...awesome. I got to hear it as a bystander a few days ago when I gave the keys to a friend. I might do that on a regular basis because it is the only way to really appreciate the tone. However, if you need to be mindful of the neighbors at 7am you might want to think about resonators (but full cats are a no no).

Bottom Line:

The wait is worth it and the value is excellent. There really isn’t any better way I can close the review.

--Arrvaxx

Arrvaxx’s turbo ‘break in’ procedure. Or, “How I beat the hell out of Tony and Dan’s creation and survived. Or, "How I gave Tony and Dan a head full of gray hair!"

F.I. Inc. · 08-24-2014, 11:55 AM

NEW FYLER UPDATE...

showme99 · 08-27-2014, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by F.I. Inc.

NEW FYLER UPDATE...

I'm confused. According to the new flyer, the 3"-2.5" down pipes ending in factory location are no longer included with the kit, and must now be purchased as a separate upgrade. Am I reading this right?

It just seems strange that the complete kit would no longer include any piping to connect the turbine outlet to the customer's stock cats or test pipes.

conmam · 08-27-2014, 10:38 PM

Yes, I am concerned about that as well. That pipe is vital since I am running factory cats.

F.I. Inc. · 08-28-2014, 01:16 AM

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Originally Posted by showme99

I'm confused. According to the new flyer, the 3"-2.5" down pipes ending in factory location are no longer included with the kit, and must now be purchased as a separate upgrade. Am I reading this right?

It just seems strange that the complete kit would no longer include any piping to connect the turbine outlet to the customer's stock cats or test pipes.

Clearing up the confusion... The old flyer and old TT kit price "was advertised" with (ETE) Exhaust Transition Elbows. The elbows would start at the V Band flange (back of the turbo) and end in the starting location of the catalytic converters. This said, the elbows are still in development to this day. We are working to have the elbows (included) in the kit and available sometime early next year.

Rest assured, the early buyers in the sale were well compensated for the elbows not being available. Most paid next to nothing for the down pipes and others were compensated in other areas of their build! The customers who jumped on later in the sale were made aware of the elbows not being available prior to locking in the purchase.

I think this should cover it.

Thanks.
-Tony

conmam · 09-02-2014, 04:39 AM

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Originally Posted by F.I. Inc.

Clearing up the confusion... The old flyer and old TT kit price "was advertised" with (ETE) Exhaust Transition Elbows. The elbows would start at the V Band flange (back of the turbo) and end in the starting location of the catalytic converters. This said, the elbows are still in development to this day. We are working to have the elbows (included) in the kit and available sometime early next year.

Rest assured, the early buyers in the sale were well compensated for the elbows not being available. Most paid next to nothing for the down pipes and others were compensated in other areas of their build! The customers who jumped on later in the sale were made aware of the elbows not being available prior to locking in the purchase.

I think this should cover it.

Thanks.
-Tony

Cost is not much of an issue. But the MOST important question here is : I would like to purchase the kit this year. Now, like you stated, if there are no elbows available yet, meaning that I cannot use the stock cats or conventional high flow cats at this time ? Then what go in between your turbine outlets and the beginning of the exhaust pipes ? Please clarify . Thank you

KaienZ34 · 08-24-2014, 12:49 PM

Payment plans and layaway....

My bank account is already

just by the thought.

F.I. Inc. · 08-24-2014, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by KaienZ34

Payment plans and layaway....

My bank account is already

just by the thought.

I guess in a way the layaway and payment plans are one in the same. FYI, we have offered this since day #1.

-Tony

faceglide · 08-25-2014, 12:50 PM

Another month, another quick update.

NO PROBLEMS, whatsoever. This kit, defies all 370z logic. The car has OEM drivablility, dependability. UOA recommends me to change at 4500miles, from 3000 miles. I do NOT burn through any oil, no leaks, no codes, nothing. the car acts and behaves in ALL conditions as it should. I have not had to take the car anywhere to get looked at or have had a single SECOND of downtime. I am boostin 13psi on e85, pushing 600+/550+ and loving life.(I have recently nudged the boost as e85 has been reading at about e80-e83 at my pump!)

I cannot guarantee that everybody will have a happy ending like me, but I do know that MY car is just plain flawless. It has easily become my daily driver and has taken on the task with ease.

I hear people saying "i should have bought a factory boosted car", and all that jazz, but I absolutely, respectfully cannot disagree more. This car easily has much more fun factor than any car I have test driven, even the pop's ZR1, cannot compete for fun factory. The best part? ITS NOT A 100k car! I can do whatever the hell I want with it, blow a motor? 5k..or 10k for 800hp, or 20k for 1000hp...no biggie? Accident? NO problem, I replace the car, no biggie? More mods? Sure, they are effing CHEAP on this car! I ******* love my Z!!!

Thank you Fast Intentions, Thank you Specialty Z, Charles@CJM, Mr Galeforce, the370z.com, words cannot express just how HAPPY I am with my car now! Did i ever think I was going to have a 600whp daily driver for under 60k invested? Nope! The dream is a reality!

SgtGoldy · 08-25-2014, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by faceglide

Another month, another quick update.

NO PROBLEMS, whatsoever. This kit, defies all 370z logic. The car has OEM drivablility, dependability. UOA recommends me to change at 4500miles, from 3000 miles. I do NOT burn through any oil, no leaks, no codes, nothing. the car acts and behaves in ALL conditions as it should. I have not had to take the car anywhere to get looked at or have had a single SECOND of downtime. I am boostin 13psi on e85, pushing 600+/550+ and loving life.(I have recently nudged the boost as e85 has been reading at about e80-e83 at my pump!)

I cannot guarantee that everybody will have a happy ending like me, but I do know that MY car is just plain flawless. It has easily become my daily driver and has taken on the task with ease.

I hear people saying "i should have bought a factory boosted car", and all that jazz, but I absolutely, respectfully cannot disagree more. This car easily has much more fun factor than any car I have test driven, even the pop's ZR1, cannot compete for fun factory. The best part? ITS NOT A 100k car! I can do whatever the hell I want with it, blow a motor? 5k..or 10k for 800hp, or 20k for 1000hp...no biggie? Accident? NO problem, I replace the car, no biggie? More mods? Sure, they are effing CHEAP on this car! I ******* love my Z!!!

Thank you Fast Intentions, Thank you Specialty Z, Charles@CJM, Mr Galeforce, the370z.com, words cannot express just how HAPPY I am with my car now! Did i ever think I was going to have a 600whp daily driver for under 60k invested? Nope! The dream is a reality!

I went stock TT for this very reason. But I wont ever be able to make the numbers people pushing high PSI will make on an aftermarket kit. Plus I think my drivetrain cant handle anything over 650hp

Envy

08-13-2014, 03:35 PM	#5 (permalink)
Arrvaxx A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Whore Island, MN Posts: 1,243 Drives: 40th F.I. Twin Turbo Rep Power: 18	The cool thing is that you can get that coating off in 5 minutes with a metal cleaner. I do it once a week just to make sure they look their best and will long term. __________________ 2010 370Z 40th Anniversary (#480 born 1/19/2010) Fast Intentions Twin Turbo \| Varis Arising II \| Limited Edition Recaro Sportster \| Tuned by Specialty Z \| 604hp 525 torque @14lbs boost on 100 octane

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F.I. Inc. The370Z.com Sponsor Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Simi Valley, CA Posts: 2,989 Drives: 2010 GT-R/2007 F-250 Rep Power: 686	*Fyler update* *NEW FYLER UPDATE...* __________________ *Follow us on Facebook: Fast Intentions Inc.* Phone: (805) 522-FAST (3278) Email: tony@fastintentions.com www.fastintentions.com "FUELED BY PASSION"

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KaienZ34 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: LA. not L.a. Posts: 21,652 Drives: Z34 Tour/Sport Rep Power: 178	Payment plans and layaway.... My bank account is already just by the thought. __________________ *"These Violent Delights Have Violent Ends"* http://www.the370z.com/members/kaienz34-albums-z34.html

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*****Fast Intentions "Twin Turbo Kit" is here*****

Fast Intentions "Twin Turbo Kit" is here