GTM Turn key or tuner kit... difference?

JAYNO20 · 03-30-2012, 10:51 PM

What is the difference between these two kits? both would be stage 2.

XwChriswX · 03-30-2012, 11:02 PM

From GTM's website: GTM Motorsports*::*FORCED INDUCTION*::*GTM 370Z (TURN KEY) TWIN TURBO KIT

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All our turbo kits are available in Two forms, A tuner kit form so the professional and the end user have the flexibility of choosing what ever fuel, engine management they may desire and feel comfortable using. And a complete kit form with fuel and engine management solution leaving a alot of room for future growth. With that being said, GTM will also offer an extensive range of fuel system and engine management modules to go with our turbo kits.

Tuner Kit: You use your own external engine/fuel management system.

Turn-Key: Install, load tune on stock ECU, go

JAYNO20 · 03-30-2012, 11:47 PM

oh, cool.

So is the turn key the recommended option then? How are their tunes? Would an uprev tune after install be the best idea anyway?

XwChriswX · 03-30-2012, 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by JAYNO20

oh, cool.

So is the turn key the recommended option then? How are their tunes? Would an uprev tune after install be the best idea anyway?

The turn key is recommended if you don't have access to your own software/private tuning budget. It comes with a basic tune your tuner will then customize for your specific car. Tuning is usually included in a TT Install package from most dealers.

Dallaz · 03-31-2012, 12:14 AM

So you still have to go to a tuning shop either way?

XwChriswX · 03-31-2012, 12:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Dallaz

So you still have to go to a tuning shop either way?

You could theoretically install a TT or SC kit, and just run with it. But it is highly advised against taking an NA motor and making it FI without tuning it for such.

Will it mechanically run, yes...

Will it be safe... no.
Will it last... no.

Baer383 · 03-31-2012, 02:21 AM

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Originally Posted by XwChriswX

Will it mechanically run, yes...

Will it be safe... no.
Will it last... no.

Actually I just installed a GTM SC stage 1.5 and have Sam's uprev tune and put it on the dyno when my guy looked at it he said it was so close that he didn't want to mess with it,plus Sam's tunes are a little conservative so as to leave a little room to work with it,my car runs like stock but with a ton more power,so if you were to get another tune from someone else yeah you will probably need to get it retuned but don't forget Sam is the best in the business so his tunes are good.
After you install his TT or SC you log some data with your laptop and email him the info and if it needs to be changed he will adjust it and send you a new tune he also adjusted the line pressure in mine since it is a automatic.

XwChriswX · 03-31-2012, 02:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Baer383

Actually I just installed a GTM SC stage 1.5 and have Sam's uprev tune and put it on the dyno when my guy looked at it he said it was so close that he didn't want to mess with it,plus Sam's tunes are a little conservative so as to leave a little room to work with it,my car runs like stock but with a ton more power,so if you were to get another tune from someone else yeah you will probably need to get it retuned but don't forget Sam is the best in the business so his tunes are good.
After you install his TT or SC you log some data with your laptop and email him the info and if it needs to be changed he will adjust it and send you a new tune he also adjusted the line pressure in mine since it is a automatic.

Does that come included with the price of your original kit for him to do that, or is that something separate he's doing for you individually?

(I knew Sam had been doing things like this but didn't know if that was part of the kit price or not. I didn't want to comment saying he does it for everyone if he didn't.)

Baer383 · 03-31-2012, 02:53 AM

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Originally Posted by XwChriswX

Does that come included with the price of your original kit for him to do that, or is that something separate he's doing for you individually?

(I knew Sam had been doing things like this but didn't know if that was part of the kit price or not. I didn't want to comment saying he does it for everyone if he didn't.)

No he does this with his turn key kits,he is going a little futher checking mine since this is the first Stage 1.5 kit sold and I changed it to a smaller pulley already.

XwChriswX · 03-31-2012, 02:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Baer383

No he does this with his turn key kits,he is going a little futher checking mine since this is the first Stage 1.5 kit sold and I changed it to a smaller pulley already.

How are you liking it? Did you originally have the Stage 1 and upgraded, or went straight to 1.5? What stopped you from going to Stage 2?

Baer383 · 03-31-2012, 02:58 AM

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Originally Posted by XwChriswX

How are you liking it? Did you originally have the Stage 1 and upgraded, or went straight to 1.5? What stopped you from going to Stage 2?

I went and bought a 1.5 and went to the dyno and made 445 whp so now I changed it to a 88mm pulley down from 92mm and it should make about 455-465 whp and having a automatic and the 1-1.5 kits have better bottom and midrange power stopped me from going to Stage 2.

esfourteen · 03-31-2012, 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by XwChriswX

You could theoretically install a TT or SC kit, and just run with it. But it is highly advised against taking an NA motor and making it FI without tuning it for such.

Will it mechanically run, yes...

Will it be safe... no.
Will it last... no.

The turn key kit includes tunes from GTM which you can 100% safely run

blackonorange · 03-31-2012, 09:42 AM

The only tune known to cause problems is stillen isn't it?

esfourteen · 03-31-2012, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by blackonorange

The only tune known to cause problems is stillen isn't it?

yes, stillens tunes for their SC are garbage.

XwChriswX · 04-01-2012, 12:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Baer383

I went and bought a 1.5 and went to the dyno and made 445 whp so now I changed it to a 88mm pulley down from 92mm and it should make about 455-465 whp and having a automatic and the 1-1.5 kits have better bottom and midrange power stopped me from going to Stage 2.

This is what I'm looking for, I like SC... but I'd really prefer to go TT.

450-500whp streetable. No good just having the tires smoke.

(7AT also, so your build is really

to me.)

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03-30-2012, 11:47 PM	#3 (permalink)
JAYNO20 Track Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Pittsburgh, PA Posts: 802 Drives: 2010 370Z Nismo Rep Power: 14	oh, cool. So is the turn key the recommended option then? How are their tunes? Would an uprev tune after install be the best idea anyway?

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blackonorange A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Saskatchewan Posts: 1,078 Drives: 09 370z Rep Power: 15	The only tune known to cause problems is stillen isn't it?