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Originally Posted by weiboy718 Even on a regular turbocharged car is not too safe to have cats on. I've heard some stories like the cats material getting sucked into the

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Old 10-30-2012, 04:10 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Even on a regular turbocharged car is not too safe to have cats on. I've heard some stories like the cats material getting sucked into the turbo and destroying it. Some particles even made past that and damaged the engine.

Just things I heard about having cats on for turbo cars.
I can see it getting sucked into the turbo on a RMT kit but I'm pretty sure it's gonna stop there and not cycle back through the innercooler then into the engine. Maybe it's the "magic bullet" theory for car guys.
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Honestly if you know anything about cars or hell even have common sense, cats getting sucked into the engine can't physically happen.
I've actually seen it happen, although almost exclusively on cars with pre-cats that are right on the end of the headers, and only when initiated by core failure

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I can see it getting sucked into the turbo on a RMT kit but I'm pretty sure it's gonna stop there and not cycle back through the innercooler then into the engine. Maybe it's the "magic bullet" theory for car guys.


The turbine and the compressor aren't using the same air. I can't imagine chunks of cat hopping between housings

You can look at a picture of a turbo and pretty quickly figure out that core chunks aren't going to wind up in the intake.

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Huh? You've seen it happen ? How ? I don't understand how they could get in the engine


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I've actually seen it happen, although almost exclusively on cars with pre-cats that are right on the end of the headers, and only when initiated by core failure





The turbine and the compressor aren't using the same air. I can't imagine chunks of cat hopping between housings

You can look at a picture of a turbo and pretty quickly figure out that core chunks aren't going to wind up in the intake.

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Huh? You've seen it happen ? How ? I don't understand how they could get in the engine
The short explanation is that there is some overlap between intake & exhaust valves opening. There is vacuum in the cylinder, and backwards airflow (backflow) is pretty common, generally sucking some small amount of exhaust gas back into the cylinder. In cases where a cat (again, generally a pre-cat because of their proximity to the exhaust ports) has broken down, you have
A) loose pieces of honeycomb floating around
B) significant increases in backflow

and it becomes technically possible for cat material to flow back into the engine.
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The short explanation is that there is some overlap between intake & exhaust valves opening. There is vacuum in the cylinder, and backwards airflow (backflow) is pretty common, generally sucking some small amount of exhaust gas back into the cylinder. In cases where a cat (again, generally a pre-cat because of their proximity to the exhaust ports) has broken down, you have
A) loose pieces of honeycomb floating around
B) significant increases in backflow

and it becomes technically possible for cat material to flow back into the engine.
When you say pre cat, you mean cat before the header ?
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I've actually seen it happen, although almost exclusively on cars with pre-cats that are right on the end of the headers, and only when initiated by core failure





The turbine and the compressor aren't using the same air. I can't imagine chunks of cat hopping between housings

You can look at a picture of a turbo and pretty quickly figure out that core chunks aren't going to wind up in the intake.

Yeah, I understand the two sides of a turbo...I was meaning in stopping inside the turbo and not going anywhere else....poor attempt at being a smart asz

But it flowing backwards??? If this is a somewhat or even a rare thing to happen I would hope that they would of already solved this kind of issue from ever happening.....At the same time I'm not a mechanic
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