STS 370Z Single Turbo System

Isamu · 10-29-2012, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

How exactly would the catalytic converter components get "sucked through" the turbo into the engine?

With RMT, cats are definitely an unnecessary risk to the turbo, though, no question there.

honestly if anyone knows a thing or two it's red

blackonorange · 10-29-2012, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

How exactly would the catalytic converter components get "sucked through" the turbo into the engine?

With RMT, cats are definitely an unnecessary risk to the turbo, though, no question there.

You know, I was wondering the same thing, but that topic has been beat to death on this board so I just left it.

blackonorange · 10-29-2012, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Isamu

honestly if anyone knows a thing or two it's red

Honestly if you know anything about cars or hell even have common sense, cats getting sucked into the engine can't physically happen.

tower74 · 10-29-2012, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr&Mrs

Glad you have things going in the right direction finally. From what I understand CAT's are not the safest thing to have in a RMT anyway.

Right. I'm really surprised it didn't damage my turbo when I burnt them up and when I say burnt them up I mean it melted the screen guard inside the cat. So where that sh*t end up at is beyond me. Hopefully it got caught up on the out flow side of the cat.

Removing them just releases the air flow 1000%.....and the noise

The car is now more or less straight piped.

Isamu · 10-29-2012, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by blackonorange

Honestly if you know anything about cars or hell even have common sense, cats getting sucked into the engine can't physically happen.

dude, I have seen some pretty outrageous shit happen.. but never seen a cat get sucked into an engine...

I was just sayin, Red knows his stuff, for the people in question

ITOzann · 10-29-2012, 04:49 PM

rofl... the interwebz is really entertaining. Specially when you got idiots around :|

tower74 · 10-30-2012, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by weiboy718

Even on a regular turbocharged car is not too safe to have cats on. I've heard some stories like the cats material getting sucked into the turbo and destroying it. Some particles even made past that and damaged the engine.

Just things I heard about having cats on for turbo cars.

I can see it getting sucked into the turbo on a RMT kit but I'm pretty sure it's gonna stop there and not cycle back through the innercooler then into the engine. Maybe it's the "magic bullet" theory for car guys.

Red__Zed · 10-30-2012, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by blackonorange

Honestly if you know anything about cars or hell even have common sense, cats getting sucked into the engine can't physically happen.

I've actually seen it happen, although almost exclusively on cars with pre-cats that are right on the end of the headers, and only when initiated by core failure

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Originally Posted by tower74

I can see it getting sucked into the turbo on a RMT kit but I'm pretty sure it's gonna stop there and not cycle back through the innercooler then into the engine. Maybe it's the "magic bullet" theory for car guys.

The turbine and the compressor aren't using the same air. I can't imagine chunks of cat hopping between housings

You can look at a picture of a turbo and pretty quickly figure out that core chunks aren't going to wind up in the intake.

blackonorange · 10-30-2012, 09:10 PM

Huh? You've seen it happen ? How ? I don't understand how they could get in the engine

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

I've actually seen it happen, although almost exclusively on cars with pre-cats that are right on the end of the headers, and only when initiated by core failure

The turbine and the compressor aren't using the same air. I can't imagine chunks of cat hopping between housings

You can look at a picture of a turbo and pretty quickly figure out that core chunks aren't going to wind up in the intake.

Red__Zed · 10-30-2012, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by blackonorange

Huh? You've seen it happen ? How ? I don't understand how they could get in the engine

The short explanation is that there is some overlap between intake & exhaust valves opening. There is vacuum in the cylinder, and backwards airflow (backflow) is pretty common, generally sucking some small amount of exhaust gas back into the cylinder. In cases where a cat (again, generally a pre-cat because of their proximity to the exhaust ports) has broken down, you have
A) loose pieces of honeycomb floating around
B) significant increases in backflow

and it becomes technically possible for cat material to flow back into the engine.

blackonorange · 10-30-2012, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

The short explanation is that there is some overlap between intake & exhaust valves opening. There is vacuum in the cylinder, and backwards airflow (backflow) is pretty common, generally sucking some small amount of exhaust gas back into the cylinder. In cases where a cat (again, generally a pre-cat because of their proximity to the exhaust ports) has broken down, you have
A) loose pieces of honeycomb floating around
B) significant increases in backflow

and it becomes technically possible for cat material to flow back into the engine.

When you say pre cat, you mean cat before the header ?

tower74 · 10-30-2012, 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

I've actually seen it happen, although almost exclusively on cars with pre-cats that are right on the end of the headers, and only when initiated by core failure

The turbine and the compressor aren't using the same air. I can't imagine chunks of cat hopping between housings

You can look at a picture of a turbo and pretty quickly figure out that core chunks aren't going to wind up in the intake.

Yeah, I understand the two sides of a turbo...I was meaning in stopping inside the turbo and not going anywhere else....poor attempt at being a smart asz

But it flowing backwards??? If this is a somewhat or even a rare thing to happen I would hope that they would of already solved this kind of issue from ever happening.....At the same time I'm not a mechanic

Jason1574 · 11-04-2012, 06:51 PM

Do not buy from STS turbo they take months to finish their bolt on kits on any car it took them 6 months to put on my turbo kit on my car and they wanted full payment within 2 weeks i waited half a year for their basic kit!!! And they would not give me discount is costed over $14k every week after the first month i constantly contacted them and they kept saying the car will be done next week they kept saying for 6 months!!! WTF these guys are lazy,slow and dont give a sh!t about their customers. I want to know can i sue them for having my car for so long and charging me more then their estimation on the price and telling me it would be done in 3 weeks and they kept telling me it would be done the next week for 6 months.

im sorry guys my grammar sucks im just really mad at them.

blackonorange · 11-04-2012, 06:55 PM

Ummm what kind of car?

fuct · 11-05-2012, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Jason1574

Do not buy from STS turbo they take months to finish their bolt on kits on any car it took them 6 months to put on my turbo kit on my car and they wanted full payment within 2 weeks i waited half a year for their basic kit!!! And they would not give me discount is costed over $14k every week after the first month i constantly contacted them and they kept saying the car will be done next week they kept saying for 6 months!!! WTF these guys are lazy,slow and dont give a sh!t about their customers. I want to know can i sue them for having my car for so long and charging me more then their estimation on the price and telling me it would be done in 3 weeks and they kept telling me it would be done the next week for 6 months.

im sorry guys my grammar sucks im just really mad at them.

do you have anything in writting/email?

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Jason1574 Banned Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: san diego Posts: 9 Drives: camaro ss Rep Power: 0	Do not buy from STS turbo they take months to finish their bolt on kits on any car it took them 6 months to put on my turbo kit on my car and they wanted full payment within 2 weeks i waited half a year for their basic kit!!! And they would not give me discount is costed over $14k every week after the first month i constantly contacted them and they kept saying the car will be done next week they kept saying for 6 months!!! WTF these guys are lazy,slow and dont give a sh!t about their customers. I want to know can i sue them for having my car for so long and charging me more then their estimation on the price and telling me it would be done in 3 weeks and they kept telling me it would be done the next week for 6 months. im sorry guys my grammar sucks im just really mad at them.

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