Anyone have a built motor yet for FI?

Red__Zed · 08-04-2011, 12:50 PM

Damn, it's nice enough that they'll put you back to stock... Most shops leave that on you.

Ron · 08-04-2011, 12:56 PM

buy the parts and let them install the forged internals instead of stock. Maybe they can get you the parts at their cost?

GambitX · 08-04-2011, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeffblue

well i can see your expectation that they would rebuilt your motor to factory spec without additional charge. However i dont think they have an obligation to pay for forged rods/pistons and give you a 'built' motor that you never had in the first place. They should rebuild your motor, and if you pay for the upgraded parts they should work out a fair price since they blew your motor

yes you have a good point, my complaint is why 2-3 months to make fix it? Thats insane. the car has been in there shop for over 2 months now for just the turbo kit install.
Im fine with them putting it back to stock, im just not going to wait 2-3 months. Also they want to give me the car back with 5lbs of boost because its obvious they are scared to blow it again because they do not know how to tune the car correctly

phunk · 08-04-2011, 01:03 PM

i personally wouldnt go all the way down to 9:1 in the VHR unless going for REALLY high boost. part of what makes this engine so amazing is all the technology behind it, and technology in engines also includes being capable of running high compression with crummy pump gas while still making decent power with advanced engine management systems.

stock engines are capable of 600rwhp if tuned right with fragile NA internals at 11:1 compression. Most guys who built their engine will never exceed 650-700rwhp. 10:1 is the lowest I would go... I am deciding on a CR right now for my extra engine, but I will probably order some custom 10:1 or 10.3:1.

not to beat a dead horse with a long post, but the VHR is really an amazing engine. I wouldnt take away part of what makes it drive so great. The fact that we have a 13.0 second car before the turbos even spool is why it drives so friggin AWESOME with turbos, cause the second they are pushing the air harder even before pressure is generated just makes this engine RIP. ever driven a car like a STI or an EVO or Supra, those cars are like 15-16 second cars if you take the turbo off, the engines drive like zombies until the turbos spin up to high boost. its an exagerated example, as even a 9:1 VHR isnt going to be that slow.... but we are in a new age here with much better engines... 9:1 is old school stuff, no need for that low to bring a VHR to 700-800hp IMHO.

i think at around 10:1, the car should still drive and feel like a mid 13 second car or so when not loading it into boost. that means a really great feeling engine.

GambitX · 08-04-2011, 06:15 PM

Well after a long day of going back and forth with the shop we have decided on what to do but it isnt final yet. But as soon as its final i will let everyone know what we decided to do that will speed up this whole process and get me the car back ASAP.

Ron · 08-04-2011, 06:25 PM

Good luck!! Keep us posted.

Jeffblue · 08-04-2011, 08:58 PM

eagle rods are meh.

superchargedg · 08-05-2011, 06:00 PM

The tune man....the tune and im sorry to read this.

frostyrock7c · 08-05-2011, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by superchargedg

The tune man....the tune and im sorry to read this.

Mr.Squeeze · 08-06-2011, 02:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Jeffblue

eagle rods are meh.

This car uses Eagle Rods

Hal’s street car sets 6speed 350Z record at 9.34, VIDEO - MY350Z.COM Forums

Now that is really pushing the limit with them,I wouldn't push them that hard my self. However there are plenty of people that use them for mild builds.

Depending on a persons power goal's ,the K1 rods are a good choice.Tom Molnar the guy that runs K1 use to run Oliver racing that made rods for domestic cars for a very long time. For big power clear choice is Carrillo rods they are like $1900 though.

Mr&Mrs · 08-06-2011, 05:31 PM

Sorry to hear this, hope you get the car back in a decent ammount of time. I agree with the others as well this all boils down to bad tuning. At least the shop is standing good on their work.

GambitX · 08-07-2011, 10:13 AM

Here is the last dyno run. This was done friday and the car took a crap monday.

‪Mazworx Mike's G37 Twin Turbo Dyno‬&rlm; - YouTube

GambitX · 08-07-2011, 10:15 AM

and here is a pic of the car Sat from the Down and Out show in orlando

toner123 · 08-07-2011, 10:26 AM

All ******** a side man i like your car. Really clean looking. That is probably one of the nice ones i seen with with weiboys being number 1 and you right behind him. I know this has nothing to do with the current situation but just wanted to let you know that the car looks good

GambitX · 08-07-2011, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by toner123

All ******** a side man i like your car. Really clean looking. That is probably one of the nice ones i seen with with weiboys being number 1 and you right behind him. I know this has nothing to do with the current situation but just wanted to let you know that the car looks good

LOL thanks man but I think Weiboys is a super sick ride!

08-04-2011, 01:03 PM	#34 (permalink)
phunk A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Chicago Posts: 3,655 Drives: 370 Rep Power: 944523	i personally wouldnt go all the way down to 9:1 in the VHR unless going for REALLY high boost. part of what makes this engine so amazing is all the technology behind it, and technology in engines also includes being capable of running high compression with crummy pump gas while still making decent power with advanced engine management systems. stock engines are capable of 600rwhp if tuned right with fragile NA internals at 11:1 compression. Most guys who built their engine will never exceed 650-700rwhp. 10:1 is the lowest I would go... I am deciding on a CR right now for my extra engine, but I will probably order some custom 10:1 or 10.3:1. not to beat a dead horse with a long post, but the VHR is really an amazing engine. I wouldnt take away part of what makes it drive so great. The fact that we have a 13.0 second car before the turbos even spool is why it drives so friggin AWESOME with turbos, cause the second they are pushing the air harder even before pressure is generated just makes this engine RIP. ever driven a car like a STI or an EVO or Supra, those cars are like 15-16 second cars if you take the turbo off, the engines drive like zombies until the turbos spin up to high boost. its an exagerated example, as even a 9:1 VHR isnt going to be that slow.... but we are in a new age here with much better engines... 9:1 is old school stuff, no need for that low to bring a VHR to 700-800hp IMHO. i think at around 10:1, the car should still drive and feel like a mid 13 second car or so when not loading it into boost. that means a really great feeling engine. __________________ Charles @ CJ Motorsports : Website \| Facebook \| Instagram \| YouTube Home of the 9 second, stock longblock, stock drivetrain 6MT 370z. 9.91 @ 142mph Last edited by phunk; 08-04-2011 at 01:06 PM.

08-05-2011, 06:00 PM	#38 (permalink)
superchargedg Base Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: timonium Posts: 144 Drives: 2003 g35 TT Rep Power: 14	The tune man....the tune and im sorry to read this. __________________ My car is bone stock...i promise.

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Mr&Mrs A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2010 Location: Tampa Posts: 4,192 Drives: RZ34 Rep Power: 15161	Sorry to hear this, hope you get the car back in a decent ammount of time. I agree with the others as well this all boils down to bad tuning. At least the shop is standing good on their work. __________________ Project Z <--Click - Check out the link too many mods to list!

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GambitX Base Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Tampa FL Posts: 48 Drives: G37 TT Rep Power: 13	Well after a long day of going back and forth with the shop we have decided on what to do but it isnt final yet. But as soon as its final i will let everyone know what we decided to do that will speed up this whole process and get me the car back ASAP.

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GambitX Base Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Tampa FL Posts: 48 Drives: G37 TT Rep Power: 13	and here is a pic of the car Sat from the Down and Out show in orlando

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toner123 Track Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: chesapeake va Age: 39 Posts: 823 Drives: TT 370z Touring/SP Rep Power: 15	All ******** a side man i like your car. Really clean looking. That is probably one of the nice ones i seen with with weiboys being number 1 and you right behind him. I know this has nothing to do with the current situation but just wanted to let you know that the car looks good