Gtm motorsports crazy video on youtube! :eek:

Kirei · 03-09-2011, 05:13 AM

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Originally Posted by ryan370zpower

Hey guys,

So im looking into ordering my SC kit finally this week and doing some video searching on youtube.com and find this..... WOW

YouTube - Don't buy 370Z TT kit from GTM motorsports (A guy named Joe Story)

Can anyone explain this????

I hoped the video would explain everything so far.
I made this video. I've made more elaborative details below the youtube video. I'm trying to reply to everyone if you have any specific questions feel free to ask.

Kirei · 03-09-2011, 06:59 AM

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Originally Posted by RCZ

Wow. This makes no sense....why would GTM send someone a completely messed up kit while they have been sending perfectly good kits to everyone else?

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Originally Posted by Fezzik

I got my stuff shipped to me and it had tons of peanuts and bubble wrap. I thought it was excessive, but that means all the stuff is protected.

I mean even my screws were bubble wrapped

Here you can see the oil cooler wrapped up. I had unwrapped everything else.

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Originally Posted by tomnavone

If you have concerns about ordering u should call GTM. I can tell u from my experience my kit was flawless.

clever video tho

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Originally Posted by ryan370zpower

I'm prolly gonna order it anyways... It's just I was so shocked to see this quality coming from such a great company. I'm very picky about quality of the condition of items that's all. I just wanted to see if there was another side to the story that someone may know.

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Originally Posted by Liquid_G

didnt that guy post up here recently saying his **** was all beat up? what happened to that thread?

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Originally Posted by Staples

Well proof tells us it was customs who unpacked everything and threw it all back in the box. Then obviously chit was hitting inside the box when it was being shipped to the destination. OBVIOUSLY GTM would never internationally ship a product without making sure it's properly packaged.

GTM isn't at fault whatsoever in this matter, you can blame customs.

Liquid G isn't that odd that even since that post you're trying to recall. Joe still hasn't received any undamaged parts.

You would think it would have been taken care of by now. Seeing as GTM has such good service and all.

Okay Staples you can stop

now.

the only obvious thing is that GTM sent some garbage parts and wasn't going to do anything about it anytime soon until this incident reached the forum. The repetitive scratches on all the pipes were from poor wrapping and shipping. Intentional or not GTM is at fault. But since you obviously know what happened ;could you please explain this: (view pictures below)

Kirei · 03-09-2011, 07:01 AM

there was black grime in the groves, cracks and of majority of scratches. Which normally happens over time. Please also explain how Brand New parts Properly wrapped and packaged get rust on them. Oh and there was no damage to the box the intercooler was shipped in.

SPOHN · 03-09-2011, 07:50 AM

Ibtl

Kirei · 03-09-2011, 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by SPOHN

Ibtl

Sorry I don't know what Ibtl means.

SPOHN · 03-09-2011, 08:03 AM

Means in before the lock. Nothing personal though. I do feel for you and the incovenience your going threw.

simota1 · 03-09-2011, 08:18 AM

sorry im late but....

i know destiny z personally he is one of my closest friends out here

and i can vouch for him... he is telling the truth the first he got the box with the damaged parts he told me "bro would sam send me used parts?" i told him no!!! like everyone on here and then he emailed me the pictures... i freaked out because that doesnt look like shipping damage some of the damages look like they were grinded and tweaked.... coming from a friend destiny wouldnt lie... i know him better than that... his a super honest guy he told me last year i cant wait to get my kit from gtm but after all whats happened with him, i can say i will never order from gtm... im sorry but thats messed up how he has to go through so much crap to complain to gtm and take pics and show people because they dont believe him... this is my theory since guam is so far from states im thinking sam probably just sent the used kit to destiny to make a quick buck then blame the shipping on all the damages.... and i qoute from destiny on one of our convos.... "what did sam tell you when you complained about damages bro? he told me sh!t happens...." thats bullsh!t being a car enthusiast for several years i have brought in all my car parts for my cars and my friends cars from states.... ranging from cat backs to bodykits the customs out here wouldnt rip open a box and bend all the pipes like that and put black grime on the pipes that looks like it was there before it was shipped out.... ill leave it up to you guys to think what you wanna think... im just tryna stand up for a buddy of mine since theres only like 5 of us on here lol

Kirei · 03-09-2011, 08:30 AM

Thanks simota1 you Rock!

Oh and Beware of hate mail. LOL. Everyone that has stuck up for Joe has gotten it. Well I haven't gotten any yet but I'm waiting.

SPOHN · 03-09-2011, 08:53 AM

No your not wrong at all. I do totally agree with you. It was more so a joke. I wasn't meaning it seriously. It is a major issue and should be talked about and discussed. Along with being made right times fold.

simota1 · 03-09-2011, 09:14 AM

o and one more thing.... i have a friend that works at customs and as you would have it he has a 370z thats why we became friends he bought a overlay from me... anyways when i was asking him about my cf amuse kit he told me that they were going to open it most likely because it was huge... i asked are they going to break stuff? he said they were really careful with things they open i was like really? but you guys have to open so many packages? he laughed and said are you kidding me there are only like ten of us at customs how can you expect us to opens thousands of packages that arrive in guam? thats both air and sea..... i was like really? so how do you know which one to open or not he explained to me that they open really huge boxes and containers only reason being is just in case someone is tryna illegally ship anything illegal i e a car chassis from japan lol (i cant believe someone tried to do that?) i asked him so you guys dont check the usps mail? he said usually if its from states no.... we only check stuff that comes from foreign contries....reason being packages from states has already been checked how many times already so we usually trust the boxes unless we suspect something is not right.... so since destinys turbo kit came in several boxes in different times of shipment someone in customs was waiting specifically for destinys boxes opened them up grinded a lil here and there because they were bored and then packed it nicely.... idk if you guys saw the intercooler pic now that pic is just whoa.... metal shavings everywhere

it makes me mad and i dont even own the kit

BLM · 03-09-2011, 09:13 AM

I know what it feels like to trust in a company and have them completely turn their back on you when sh!t goes wrong. Not that profession is an indicator of morality and ethics (see Bernie Madoff), but you have to remember that you're dealing with auto mechanics here who get to play with really cool expensive toys all day. Their business is booming and they have so many people on multiple boards licking their a$$es. As such, the inner drive for 100% quality control and ethical behavior inevitably diminishes. And worst case scenario (which is occurring right now), they try to screw one person out of an $8000 turbo kit, they have all their loyal followers coming ot their rescue, posting all of their positive experiences etc to make it appear that this could have in no way ever happened. Just ask Madoff's clients if they ever thought something was up. Also, it seems that as businesses expand and revenues increase, that is when ethics are at their nadir. See "The Social Netowrk" and how Zuckerberg screwed his partner and re-structured the company so that his share was less than 1% when Facebook expanded.

As with all things, the truth is somewhere in the middle of what both sides are saying. But ask yourselves this, what could possibly be motivating destinyZ to needlessly slander a very popular vendor without cause? GTM has the FI market cornered right now for G37/370Z. The Greddy kit is crap. The GTM Stage 1 is an easier install and drastically outperforms the Stillen kit, so guess what? If you want FI, GTM has you by the balls. That is not excuse for what appears to have happened. And if it's true that the response to this was "sh!t happens" I would have been on the first plane to Cali to have that said to me face to face. But anyone with half of a brain can see that for whatever reason, this guy was shipped what looks to be a very used, beaten on, kit. How or why this happened is another matter. It's possible the higher ups at GTM were unaware of it. But that still doesn't change the "sh!t happens" response, if that's what was actually said.

My only experience with something like this was with the shop that I had all the work on my WRX done at. They treated me like gold because I was always in there for mods. They cut me deals on service, dyno time, and made me a lot of one-off parts. But I saw how they treated customers who they didn't know, and who weren't spending big money. They'd overcharge them on dyno pulls, make them wait needlessly, not follow up on orders for their parts, long delays for installs, etc. This has nothing to do with GTM, just saying that as much as I loved that shop and for all the great work they did on MY car, they were overall pretty shady. And this is something that I've learned pervades the automotive industry, especially the aftermarket.

simota1 · 03-09-2011, 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by BLM

I know what it feels like to trust in a company and have them completely turn their back on you when sh!t goes wrong. Not that profession is an indicator of morality and ethics (see Bernie Madoff), but you have to remember that you're dealing with auto mechanics here who get to play with really cool expensive toys all day. Their business is booming and they have so many people on multiple boards licking their a$$es. As such, the inner drive for 100% quality control and ethical behavior inevitably diminishes. And worst case scenario (which is occurring right now), they try to screw one person out of an $8000 turbo kit, they have all their loyal followers coming ot their rescue, posting all of their positive experiences etc to make it appear that this could have in no way ever happened. Just ask Madoff's clients if they ever thought something was up.

As with all things, the truth is somewhere in the middle of what both sides are saying. But ask yourselves this, what could possibly be motivating destinyZ to needlessly slander a very popular vendor without cause? GTM has the FI market cornered right now for G37/370Z. The Greddy kit is crap. The GTM Stage 1 is an easier install and drastically outperforms the Stillen kit, so guess what? If you want FI, GTM has you by the balls. That is not excuse for what appears to have happened. And if it's true that the response to this was "sh!t happens" I would have been on the first plane to Texas to have that said to me face to face. But anyone with half of a brain can see that for whatever reason, this guy was shipped what looks to be a very used, beaten on, kit. How or why this happened is another matter. It's possible the higher ups at GTM were unaware of it. But that still doesn't change the "sh!t happens" response, if that's what was actually said.

exactly bro....

why would destiny and me start talking bad about a company that has the best kit on the market if it wasnt the truth.... but isnt it such a coincidence that the farthest place the gtm kit has arrived all of a sudden looks like its used and thus shipping was blamed.... because we are so far away from states we cant prove it.... if this happened in cali wooo everyone would be all over this saying screw gtm!!! blah blah blah but who would believe a couple of people from an island in the pacific.... no one will care... everyone will just go with the "it was shipping that damaged it" bends on pipes ill accept can be damaged from shipping black grime, metal shavings in the pipes.... thats a new one for me on damages caused by shipping....

superchargedg · 03-09-2011, 09:15 AM

All i can say is wow at the vid and the parts quality is garbage.Good luck getting the problem fixed and i hope GTM steps up to the plate.

SPOHN · 03-09-2011, 09:20 AM

There's no doubt the higher ups at GTM didnt know. But even then, WHY did this happen? Why would a kit be laying around in this condition to just be shipped out? Then it really looks bad due to your out of the country.

Zrod · 03-09-2011, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by SPOHN

There's no doubt the higher ups at GTM didnt know. But even then, WHY did this happen? Why would a kit be laying around in this condition to just be shipped out? Then it really looks bad due to your out of the country.

Yeah I dont get it either. Even if they sent out a used kit packed poorly I couldnt see it looking THAT bad especially without the box being mangled. Some of the bends and dents in that stuff would take some serious force to do it almost looks like someone intentionaly took a sledge hammer to it.

03-09-2011, 07:50 AM	#4 (permalink)
SPOHN A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Covington, GA Age: 47 Posts: 14,844 Drives: Waiting on next Z Rep Power: 223	Ibtl __________________

03-09-2011, 08:03 AM	#6 (permalink)
SPOHN A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Covington, GA Age: 47 Posts: 14,844 Drives: Waiting on next Z Rep Power: 223	Means in before the lock. Nothing personal though. I do feel for you and the incovenience your going threw. __________________ Last edited by SPOHN; 03-09-2011 at 08:06 AM.

03-09-2011, 08:18 AM	#7 (permalink)
simota1 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2009 Location: Dededo, Guam Posts: 6,642 Drives: solid red 370z 6mt Rep Power: 407	sorry im late but.... i know destiny z personally he is one of my closest friends out here and i can vouch for him... he is telling the truth the first he got the box with the damaged parts he told me "bro would sam send me used parts?" i told him no!!! like everyone on here and then he emailed me the pictures... i freaked out because that doesnt look like shipping damage some of the damages look like they were grinded and tweaked.... coming from a friend destiny wouldnt lie... i know him better than that... his a super honest guy he told me last year i cant wait to get my kit from gtm but after all whats happened with him, i can say i will never order from gtm... im sorry but thats messed up how he has to go through so much crap to complain to gtm and take pics and show people because they dont believe him... this is my theory since guam is so far from states im thinking sam probably just sent the used kit to destiny to make a quick buck then blame the shipping on all the damages.... and i qoute from destiny on one of our convos.... "what did sam tell you when you complained about damages bro? he told me sh!t happens...." thats bullsh!t being a car enthusiast for several years i have brought in all my car parts for my cars and my friends cars from states.... ranging from cat backs to bodykits the customs out here wouldnt rip open a box and bend all the pipes like that and put black grime on the pipes that looks like it was there before it was shipped out.... ill leave it up to you guys to think what you wanna think... im just tryna stand up for a buddy of mine since theres only like 5 of us on here lol __________________ *TOP SECRET/POWERHOUSE AMUSE/ARC/DAYTONA RACING/VARIS/MINES/GANADOR/J-LINE/WORK EMOTION CR KAI/GT SPEC/CARBON SIGNAL/ZOOM ENGINEERING/ CARBON FIBER ELEMENT/STILLEN/*

03-09-2011, 08:53 AM	#9 (permalink)
SPOHN A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Covington, GA Age: 47 Posts: 14,844 Drives: Waiting on next Z Rep Power: 223	No your not wrong at all. I do totally agree with you. It was more so a joke. I wasn't meaning it seriously. It is a major issue and should be talked about and discussed. Along with being made right times fold. __________________

03-09-2011, 09:14 AM	#10 (permalink)
simota1 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2009 Location: Dededo, Guam Posts: 6,642 Drives: solid red 370z 6mt Rep Power: 407	o and one more thing.... i have a friend that works at customs and as you would have it he has a 370z thats why we became friends he bought a overlay from me... anyways when i was asking him about my cf amuse kit he told me that they were going to open it most likely because it was huge... i asked are they going to break stuff? he said they were really careful with things they open i was like really? but you guys have to open so many packages? he laughed and said are you kidding me there are only like ten of us at customs how can you expect us to opens thousands of packages that arrive in guam? thats both air and sea..... i was like really? so how do you know which one to open or not he explained to me that they open really huge boxes and containers only reason being is just in case someone is tryna illegally ship anything illegal i e a car chassis from japan lol (i cant believe someone tried to do that?) i asked him so you guys dont check the usps mail? he said usually if its from states no.... we only check stuff that comes from foreign contries....reason being packages from states has already been checked how many times already so we usually trust the boxes unless we suspect something is not right.... so since destinys turbo kit came in several boxes in different times of shipment someone in customs was waiting specifically for destinys boxes opened them up grinded a lil here and there because they were bored and then packed it nicely.... idk if you guys saw the intercooler pic now that pic is just whoa.... metal shavings everywhere it makes me mad and i dont even own the kit __________________ *TOP SECRET/POWERHOUSE AMUSE/ARC/DAYTONA RACING/VARIS/MINES/GANADOR/J-LINE/WORK EMOTION CR KAI/GT SPEC/CARBON SIGNAL/ZOOM ENGINEERING/ CARBON FIBER ELEMENT/STILLEN/*

03-09-2011, 08:30 AM	#8 (permalink)
Kirei Base Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Guam Posts: 41 Drives: Nissan FairladyZ Rep Power: 16	Thanks simota1 you Rock! Oh and Beware of hate mail. LOL. Everyone that has stuck up for Joe has gotten it. Well I haven't gotten any yet but I'm waiting.

03-09-2011, 09:13 AM	#11 (permalink)
BLM Enthusiast Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: NJ Posts: 342 Drives: 2011 Silver M6 sport Rep Power: 16	I know what it feels like to trust in a company and have them completely turn their back on you when sh!t goes wrong. Not that profession is an indicator of morality and ethics (see Bernie Madoff), but you have to remember that you're dealing with auto mechanics here who get to play with really cool expensive toys all day. Their business is booming and they have so many people on multiple boards licking their a$$es. As such, the inner drive for 100% quality control and ethical behavior inevitably diminishes. And worst case scenario (which is occurring right now), they try to screw one person out of an $8000 turbo kit, they have all their loyal followers coming ot their rescue, posting all of their positive experiences etc to make it appear that this could have in no way ever happened. Just ask Madoff's clients if they ever thought something was up. Also, it seems that as businesses expand and revenues increase, that is when ethics are at their nadir. See "The Social Netowrk" and how Zuckerberg screwed his partner and re-structured the company so that his share was less than 1% when Facebook expanded. As with all things, the truth is somewhere in the middle of what both sides are saying. But ask yourselves this, what could possibly be motivating destinyZ to needlessly slander a very popular vendor without cause? GTM has the FI market cornered right now for G37/370Z. The Greddy kit is crap. The GTM Stage 1 is an easier install and drastically outperforms the Stillen kit, so guess what? If you want FI, GTM has you by the balls. That is not excuse for what appears to have happened. And if it's true that the response to this was "sh!t happens" I would have been on the first plane to Cali to have that said to me face to face. But anyone with half of a brain can see that for whatever reason, this guy was shipped what looks to be a very used, beaten on, kit. How or why this happened is another matter. It's possible the higher ups at GTM were unaware of it. But that still doesn't change the "sh!t happens" response, if that's what was actually said. My only experience with something like this was with the shop that I had all the work on my WRX done at. They treated me like gold because I was always in there for mods. They cut me deals on service, dyno time, and made me a lot of one-off parts. But I saw how they treated customers who they didn't know, and who weren't spending big money. They'd overcharge them on dyno pulls, make them wait needlessly, not follow up on orders for their parts, long delays for installs, etc. This has nothing to do with GTM, just saying that as much as I loved that shop and for all the great work they did on MY car, they were overall pretty shady. And this is something that I've learned pervades the automotive industry, especially the aftermarket. __________________ K&N // GTM // BERK Last edited by BLM; 03-09-2011 at 09:43 AM.

03-09-2011, 09:15 AM	#13 (permalink)
superchargedg Base Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: timonium Posts: 144 Drives: 2003 g35 TT Rep Power: 16	All i can say is wow at the vid and the parts quality is garbage.Good luck getting the problem fixed and i hope GTM steps up to the plate. __________________ My car is bone stock...i promise.

03-09-2011, 09:20 AM	#14 (permalink)
SPOHN A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Covington, GA Age: 47 Posts: 14,844 Drives: Waiting on next Z Rep Power: 223	There's no doubt the higher ups at GTM didnt know. But even then, WHY did this happen? Why would a kit be laying around in this condition to just be shipped out? Then it really looks bad due to your out of the country. __________________

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