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Old 10-18-2010, 06:24 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Got to disagrree with you about the "box"tune. As long as each car using the same tune has exactly the same upgrades/peformance mods, then the car should run and operate exactly the same. Afterall Ford, Nissan, GM, Toyata, and all other manufactures are using the same tune in every ECU that comes out of the factory. If all cars are different how come the manufactures get away with the same tune?

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I gotta comment, I mean I think Stillen may have dropped the ball a bit, but not like people are saying. I have been in RCZ's car, and I gotta tell you that car is SOLID and VERY quick. His car feels and drives better then the stock cars I have been/drove in. I mean he has that bigger oil cooler, but besides that his car I swear feels smoother up top then any stock Z I have been in. The biggest thing with aftermarket s/c's and Turbo kits, is the tune and I truly think that NO ONE should be running a boxed tune. Every car is different and for optimal performance, and longevity, a custom tune per car is just the smart thing to do.
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Got to disagrree with you about the "box"tune. As long as each car using the same tune has exactly the same upgrades/peformance mods, then the car should run and operate exactly the same. Afterall Ford, Nissan, GM, Toyata, and all other manufactures are using the same tune in every ECU that comes out of the factory. If all cars are different how come the manufactures get away with the same tune?
Logically, you are 100% right. Theoretically, 100% right. In practice, not so much. All cars are a little bit different and unfortunately that means they respond differently to the same input. They obviously are the same car as you say so you can get away with a tame tune-up that will work on most of them, however if you really want to squeeze the most from a tune, you have to tune specifically for that car. Keep in mind that doesn't only mean squeeze out the most hp, it also has to do with driveability and reliability.

This is not Stillen's problem though, obviously it the issue was much more punctual. Its not that Stillen can't make a single tune that will work on everyone's car, it's that there's one glitch that is keeping some cars from working properly.

That being said, I don't know why anyone who has access to a tuner would not get custom tuned. Unless you need to be CARB compliant or you want to have the engine warranty, I would recommend getting a custom tune. If you can do a dyno tune, followed by a road tune...thats the best case scenario.
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Got to disagrree with you about the "box"tune. As long as each car using the same tune has exactly the same upgrades/peformance mods, then the car should run and operate exactly the same. Afterall Ford, Nissan, GM, Toyata, and all other manufactures are using the same tune in every ECU that comes out of the factory. If all cars are different how come the manufactures get away with the same tune?
Exactly, just like all these stock turbo and SC cars, they have canned tunes and work fine. Like you said as long as all is the same a canned tune will work fine. I had canned tunes on my turbo Audi's and even got them canned chips and they worked great with full bolt ons. You may not get 100% of the juice out of them but they are about 90% as good as a custom tune. I just think this particular situation is hosed and maybe they should look at a different tuner or something.
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Got to disagrree with you about the "box"tune. As long as each car using the same tune has exactly the same upgrades/peformance mods, then the car should run and operate exactly the same. Afterall Ford, Nissan, GM, Toyata, and all other manufactures are using the same tune in every ECU that comes out of the factory. If all cars are different how come the manufactures get away with the same tune?
I am on your page, and def understand your logic. I just think that common sense would come into factor here, that adding FI to a car that is N/A from factory deserves more respect then a canned tune. You are pushing the limits on the vehicle severely, and running a random tune just to me doesnt sound like a great idea no matter how good it is. I had alot of hope for this kit and still do, I just want to see Stillen come back here and talk to everyone like they used to.

If a product has problems fine, or it takes a while to get, fine, or even if the entire order process isnt SUPER smooth. I think the biggest part is communication, and since its not an isolated problem, help everyone understand it. I still think they are good guys, just need to be here and give us some info.
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