STILLEN 370Z Supercharger System - Announcement!!!

Originally Posted by Phimosis

I think it will all be sorted out in due time. The lag, bog, black smoke and unburnt fuel
smell are no accident. It's from setting the mixture rich.... Mine was running at 11.1:1. Ignition retard is also involved in that bog/low torque output setup and sends unburnt fuel into the exhaust. When a car runs like that, it runs cool and without detonation. It's "safe", but is low on power and has poor throttle response. If you leaned it out to 12.5:1 and advanced the timing 5 degrees or so, the car would spring to life and be a lot closer to emissions targets, make more power, have better throttle repsponse and get better gas mileage. Independant tuners are tuning the car this way and having good results. Like RCZ, right? What that tells me is Stillen either has evidence that damage is occuring under high rpm + high boost conditions when mixture is leaned out and timing is advanced, or they just suspect it and are afraid to lean it out for fear that someones engine is going to blow up and they get blamed. That becomes a PR disaster. If someone 's supercharged Z blows up with a stillen kit, but a tune from someone else, they can easily deflect blame and say it was improper tuning and say that none of the cars that they have tuned have had problems.

Originally Posted by Kastley85891

Are there people tuning FI Z's at 12:5.1 at WOT? on pump gas? or was the comment in bold based of the timing advance thoughts?.
I agree the timing would make a difference to drivability where able to add it in, but 5 degs on pump gas with a lean mixture would generally cause problems, even as boost builds.

Personally Id be happy on E85 to add in 5 degs and run 12:5.1 flat

Not knocking any of your post but a little surprised.

Any one got some logs yet of these cars they could email me so I could graph them up, Id be interested to see the timing curves and fuel targets etc, I can post up data in seperate thread if anyone is interested in seing it.

Originally Posted by Phimosis

I didn't mean literally that is the number that tuners are sticking with throughout the entire rev range and under any boost condition. My biggest complaints have been about driveability at low rpm range where not much boost is being made. At 3,000 rpm my car, under boost is making 30 lb/ft torque less than stock and it's running 11.1:1 there. If it was leaned out in the midrange, it would act civil, make more power and get better mileage and be closer to emissions targets.

My car does make 422 whp at 7,500 rpm. That part is ok. I'm not suggesting they lean it out at redline. It's under 5,000 rpm where the tweaking with Stillen's tuning needs to occur. If you look at their press release, they are getting 340 lb/ft or torque in the midrange, where my car is only making 280 lb/ft.

Originally Posted by Phimosis

I didn't mean literally that is the number that tuners are sticking with throughout the entire rev range and under any boost condition. My biggest complaints have been about driveability at low rpm range where not much boost is being made. At 3,000 rpm my car, under boost is making 30 lb/ft torque less than stock and it's running 11.1:1 there. If it was leaned out in the midrange, it would act civil, make more power and get better mileage and be closer to emissions targets.

My car does make 422 whp at 7,500 rpm. That part is ok. I'm not suggesting they lean it out at redline. It's under 5,000 rpm where the tweaking with Stillen's tuning needs to occur. If you look at their press release, they are getting 340 lb/ft or torque in the midrange, where my car is only making 280 lb/ft.