STILLEN 370Z Supercharger System - Announcement!!!

stormcrow · 03-25-2010, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by MMC Racing

You have it a little backwards actually. Most canned tunes are extremely conservative while custom tunes are running closer to the edge and are more sensitive to temperature and altitude.

But yes, nothing is 100% safe when it comes to modding.

Not true at all. Custom tunes, if done properly, are designed for the actual car and the actual conditions it is being run under. No canned tune, no matter how conservative, can come close to the safety factor of a solid custom tune. I don't know what tuners you use, but any that would put you on the ragged edge with a custom tune without being asked to do so is no tuner I want to have touch my car.

Zsteve · 03-25-2010, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by stormcrow

Not true at all. Custom tunes, if done properly, are designed for the actual car and the actual conditions it is being run under. No canned tune, no matter how conservative, can come close to the safety factor of a solid custom tune. I don't know what tuners you use, but any that would put you on the ragged edge with a custom tune without being asked to do so is no tuner I want to have touch my car.

Ive had canned tunes on my last 2 turbo cars with various mods and never had any problems with the engine or anything other than a blown diverter valve which when it blows you buy an aftermarket one thats meant to hold the boost anyway.

blackflag · 03-25-2010, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by stormcrow

Not true at all. Custom tunes, if done properly, are designed for the actual car and the actual conditions it is being run under. No canned tune, no matter how conservative, can come close to the safety factor of a solid custom tune. I don't know what tuners you use, but any that would put you on the ragged edge with a custom tune without being asked to do so is no tuner I want to have touch my car.

Mike · 03-25-2010, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by stormcrow

Not true at all. Custom tunes, if done properly, are designed for the actual car and the actual conditions it is being run under. No canned tune, no matter how conservative, can come close to the safety factor of a solid custom tune. I don't know what tuners you use, but any that would put you on the ragged edge with a custom tune without being asked to do so is no tuner I want to have touch my car.

by definition Jeremy, every car comes from the factory with a canned tune. It is safe, but leaves some on the table, which is why we do aftermarket tunes. There is no reason why a canned supercharger tune can't be just as safe, although it too will leave a little on the table.

stormcrow · 03-25-2010, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike

by definition Jeremy, every car comes from the factory with a canned tune. It is safe, but leaves some on the table, which is why we do aftermarket tunes. There is no reason why a canned supercharger tune can't be just as safe, although it too will leave a little on the table.

Mike, I understand what you are saying. But, as I stated above, when speaking of an OEM 'canned' tune on a production vehicle calibrated by the manufacturer, this is not an apples to oranges comparison to a canned tune for an aftermarket forced induction kit developed for an N/A motor. To make this even a remotely close comparison, aftermarket F/I application developers would have to put in the same amount of R&D in their calibrations that Nissan has put into creating the ECUs for our cars. And even if that were the case, which it is absolutely not, it would still be an unfair comparison as the car was released OEM normally aspirated.

And I think people are misunderstanding me. I'm not saying that a canned tune is necessarily bad. I am saying that it is not as safe as a custom tune and that stating that a canned tune is 100% safe is an utter myth.

One other thing I have been contemplating. The safety and reliability of any tune depends on the competency and skill of the calibrator. Personally, I don't even know the name of the individual responsible for the tune going out with these kits. Who are they? What are their credentials? None of these questions are ever asked. No one ever asks this of GReddy or HKS or Vortech, etc., either. From experience, I think we should start asking simple questions such as these of all vendors.

blackflag · 03-25-2010, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by stormcrow

Mike, I understand what you are saying. But, as I stated above, when speaking of an OEM 'canned' tune on a production vehicle calibrated by the manufacturer, this is not an apples to oranges comparison to a canned tune for an aftermarket forced induction kit developed for an N/A motor. To make this even a remotely close comparison, aftermarket F/I application developers would have to put in the same amount of R&D in their calibrations that Nissan has put into creating the ECUs for our cars. And even if that were the case, which it is absolutely not, it would still be an unfair comparison as the car was released OEM normally aspirated.

And I think people are misunderstanding me. I'm not saying that a canned tune is necessarily bad. I am saying that it is not as safe as a custom tune and that stating that a canned tune is 100% safe is an utter myth.

One other thing I have been contemplating. The safety and reliability of any tune depends on the competency and skill of the calibrator. Personally, I don't even know the name of the individual responsible for the tune going out with these kits. Who are they? What are their credentials? None of these questions are ever asked. No one ever asks this of GReddy or HKS or Vortech, etc., either. From experience, I think we should start asking simple questions such as these of all vendors.

There are calibrations done at the companies (OEM) and everything else (sketchy). That's just how it is.

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