STILLEN 370Z Supercharger System - Announcement!!!

whiddles · 07-03-2014, 12:11 PM

like how kyle is turning it into a install error war. This thread was to discuss the water cooler letting go, unrelated to throttle bodies. Kyle you want me to post all my communication with you and Josh and where we sent my car to for installs and to correct some errors on your dime? Im not here to bash. Im here to see if this needs to be looked at any further or not.

either way with o rings or not it all was done through stillen now stillen says its installed incorrectly. funny. Kyle okay even to replace your inner cooler core is over $580 and then you did discount it for me but its still to me unfair

thompsontechs · 07-03-2014, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by whiddles

like how kyle is turning it into a install error war. This thread was to discuss the water cooler letting go, unrelated to throttle bodies. Kyle you want me to post all my communication with you and Josh and where we sent my car to for installs and to correct some errors on your dime? Im not here to bash. Im here to see if this needs to be looked at any further or not.

either way with o rings or not it all was done through stillen now stillen says its installed incorrectly. funny. Kyle okay even to replace your inner cooler core is over $580 and then you did discount it for me but its still to me unfair

I still don't see why the inner cooler would let go from this. IMO that is something that needs to be looked at.

whiddles · 07-03-2014, 12:30 PM

Stillen o-ring picture sent to me from Trent

mine

ANMVQ · 07-03-2014, 02:27 PM

This can speak for itself, :/,, UM Square EH?

whiddles · 07-03-2014, 02:31 PM

they are ducking tails now it seems?

ANMVQ · 07-03-2014, 02:31 PM

It is, I think that is his whole point, BTW Whiddles I don't remember were you still run "their ridiculous IMO" heat exchanger? Or did you follow me and upgrade it to take it off the radiator?

whiddles · 07-03-2014, 02:34 PM

I ran it as it was installed via they're installer never modded

whiddles · 07-03-2014, 02:36 PM

I put 18k on it maybe in 4 years never really did much after the SC

ANMVQ · 07-03-2014, 02:37 PM

I would bet that's why, I'm not a engineer but to have a heat exchanger bolted to the radiator didn't seem like the best why to run that. Between the radiator getting hot , the trans cooler( If auto) and the heat exchanger being hot , How the hell can the fluid be cool? That was my first mod to the system, Didn't understand it from day one? No there's a handful of guys running the upgraded one

whiddles · 07-03-2014, 02:42 PM

well if i stay with this kit ill look at the upgrade. can you send me a link?

ANMVQ · 07-03-2014, 02:45 PM

Sure here man, If I go back to their kit first thing I'd buy again I wont even install their kit with theirs.

Air to Water Heat Exchanger

Kyle@STILLEN · 07-03-2014, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by ANMVQ

This can speak for itself, :/,, UM Square EH?

I really don't mean to be rude here or anything but you are posting information that is only going to be misleading the conversation and confusing people.

An O ring is in reference to the general shape of the gasket. The gasket is round...in the shape of an O...O rings can come in various finishes where the actual shape will vary. Sometimes the O ring is round:
O ring.jpg

Other times the O ring has shoulders which make it square:
sqrrn.jpg

A google images showed some different styles of O rings:
o-ring.jpg

Just like there can be such thing as a V6 or an inline 6. A V6 uses a V shaped block and inline 6 puts all the cylinders in a straight line.

Kyle@STILLEN · 07-03-2014, 03:11 PM

Just to clarify, we're not ducking tail. As I mentioned earlier, my job duties and responsibilities keep me very busy and I am unable to sit on the forums and debate back and forth.

The simple facts are this:

1) This supercharger system was originally installed 4 years ago. As such, it is outside the warranty timeframe.

2) As we have never seen an intercooler fail on the VQ37 we offered to sell a new intercooler to Whiddles at a greatly reduced price.

3) Air to water intercoolers have been used for decades on everything from aftermarket supercharger systems to factory equipped vehicles and have proven to be a very reliable and efficient method of cooling the compressed air in a forced induction application.

4) From day one the STILLEN VQ37 intercooler has been a bar and plate design. Bar and plate intercoolers are more expensive than tube and fin however they are immensely stronger and more durable. It made sense to us to use a bar and plate intercooler on this application. The heat exchanger mounted up front uses a tube and fin design which is along the lines of a traditional radiator.

5) In reviewing the images that Whiddles has posted you can see that the images of the O rings installed in their grooves include a foreign substance which appears to be RTV silicone sealant. Subsequent images posted by Whiddles show the O rings with the silicone sealant removed and show what the O ring should look like. These images were posted by Whiddles and clearly speak for themselves. Using this RTV silicone caused the damage to the manifold. Hence the recommendation by our team to replace the manifold as it was clearly damaged.

whiddles · 07-03-2014, 03:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kyle@STILLEN

Just to clarify, we're not ducking tail. As I mentioned earlier, my job duties and responsibilities keep me very busy and I am unable to sit on the forums and debate back and forth.

The simple facts are this:

1) This supercharger system was originally installed 4 years ago. As such, it is outside the warranty timeframe.

2) As we have never seen an intercooler fail on the VQ37 we offered to sell a new intercooler to Whiddles at a greatly reduced price.

3) Air to water intercoolers have been used for decades on everything from aftermarket supercharger systems to factory equipped vehicles and have proven to be a very reliable and efficient method of cooling the compressed air in a forced induction application.

4) From day one the STILLEN VQ37 intercooler has been a bar and plate design. Bar and plate intercoolers are more expensive than tube and fin however they are immensely stronger and more durable. It made sense to us to use a bar and plate intercooler on this application. The heat exchanger mounted up front uses a tube and fin design which is along the lines of a traditional radiator.

5) In reviewing the images that Whiddles has posted you can see that the images of the O rings installed in their grooves include a foreign substance which appears to be RTV silicone sealant. Subsequent images posted by Whiddles show the O rings with the silicone sealant removed and show what the O ring should look like. These images were posted by Whiddles and clearly speak for themselves. Using this RTV silicone caused the damage to the manifold. Hence the recommendation by our team to replace the manifold as it was clearly damaged.

this is why we are here and I think you guys should look further into it was all

Plasmite · 07-03-2014, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by ANMVQ

Sure here man, If I go back to their kit first thing I'd buy again I wont even install their kit with theirs.

Air to Water Heat Exchanger

Seen a couple that have this. Looking into it as an option for myself as well

07-03-2014, 02:31 PM	#6 (permalink)
ANMVQ A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Framingham MA Posts: 2,732 Drives: 2014 Q50 AWD Rep Power: 20	It is, I think that is his whole point, BTW Whiddles I don't remember were you still run "their ridiculous IMO" heat exchanger? Or did you follow me and upgrade it to take it off the radiator? __________________ 14 Q50 AWD, ARK, ECUTEK (SEB), Takda,

07-03-2014, 02:37 PM	#9 (permalink)
ANMVQ A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Framingham MA Posts: 2,732 Drives: 2014 Q50 AWD Rep Power: 20	I would bet that's why, I'm not a engineer but to have a heat exchanger bolted to the radiator didn't seem like the best why to run that. Between the radiator getting hot , the trans cooler( If auto) and the heat exchanger being hot , How the hell can the fluid be cool? That was my first mod to the system, Didn't understand it from day one? No there's a handful of guys running the upgraded one __________________ 14 Q50 AWD, ARK, ECUTEK (SEB), Takda,

07-03-2014, 02:45 PM	#11 (permalink)
ANMVQ A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Framingham MA Posts: 2,732 Drives: 2014 Q50 AWD Rep Power: 20	Sure here man, If I go back to their kit first thing I'd buy again I wont even install their kit with theirs. Air to Water Heat Exchanger __________________ 14 Q50 AWD, ARK, ECUTEK (SEB), Takda,

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07-03-2014, 12:11 PM	#1 (permalink)
whiddles Base Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: FT HOOD Posts: 219 Drives: G37S AB Rep Power: 16	like how kyle is turning it into a install error war. This thread was to discuss the water cooler letting go, unrelated to throttle bodies. Kyle you want me to post all my communication with you and Josh and where we sent my car to for installs and to correct some errors on your dime? Im not here to bash. Im here to see if this needs to be looked at any further or not. either way with o rings or not it all was done through stillen now stillen says its installed incorrectly. funny. Kyle okay even to replace your inner cooler core is over $580 and then you did discount it for me but its still to me unfair

07-03-2014, 12:30 PM	#3 (permalink)
whiddles Base Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: FT HOOD Posts: 219 Drives: G37S AB Rep Power: 16	Stillen o-ring picture sent to me from Trent mine

07-03-2014, 02:31 PM	#5 (permalink)
whiddles Base Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: FT HOOD Posts: 219 Drives: G37S AB Rep Power: 16	they are ducking tails now it seems?

07-03-2014, 02:34 PM	#7 (permalink)
whiddles Base Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: FT HOOD Posts: 219 Drives: G37S AB Rep Power: 16	I ran it as it was installed via they're installer never modded

07-03-2014, 02:36 PM	#8 (permalink)
whiddles Base Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: FT HOOD Posts: 219 Drives: G37S AB Rep Power: 16	I put 18k on it maybe in 4 years never really did much after the SC

07-03-2014, 02:42 PM	#10 (permalink)
whiddles Base Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: FT HOOD Posts: 219 Drives: G37S AB Rep Power: 16	well if i stay with this kit ill look at the upgrade. can you send me a link?

07-03-2014, 03:11 PM	#13 (permalink)
Kyle@STILLEN The370Z.com Sponsor Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Newport Beach Posts: 626 Drives: Toyota Tundra Rep Power: 307	Just to clarify, we're not ducking tail. As I mentioned earlier, my job duties and responsibilities keep me very busy and I am unable to sit on the forums and debate back and forth. The simple facts are this: 1) This supercharger system was originally installed 4 years ago. As such, it is outside the warranty timeframe. 2) As we have never seen an intercooler fail on the VQ37 we offered to sell a new intercooler to Whiddles at a greatly reduced price. 3) Air to water intercoolers have been used for decades on everything from aftermarket supercharger systems to factory equipped vehicles and have proven to be a very reliable and efficient method of cooling the compressed air in a forced induction application. 4) From day one the STILLEN VQ37 intercooler has been a bar and plate design. Bar and plate intercoolers are more expensive than tube and fin however they are immensely stronger and more durable. It made sense to us to use a bar and plate intercooler on this application. The heat exchanger mounted up front uses a tube and fin design which is along the lines of a traditional radiator. 5) In reviewing the images that Whiddles has posted you can see that the images of the O rings installed in their grooves include a foreign substance which appears to be RTV silicone sealant. Subsequent images posted by Whiddles show the O rings with the silicone sealant removed and show what the O ring should look like. These images were posted by Whiddles and clearly speak for themselves. Using this RTV silicone caused the damage to the manifold. Hence the recommendation by our team to replace the manifold as it was clearly damaged.