Really?

If I have to hear Kyle talk about all the real world testing that has gone into this car one more time I'm gonna throw up.

#1001 coming up - Cue Kyle - Go! :tup:

I would like to see a parts layout of the whole S/C kit to see everything that is included. I could not imagine buying the kit blindly without seeing everything that is included in it.

I will gather this information and post it soon. What I can confirm right now without having exact dimensions is that the bar and plate heat exchanger that we use on this supercharger system has more surface area than the old tube and fin heat exchangers that we use on the Titan and 350Z kits...Which is actually the same heat exchanger that Magnusson uses on their Corvette supercharger systems.

You are correct and I should have written a bit more in that post clarifying that there is no need to be concerned about reliability. The primary thing I was trying to point out is that it is reliable enough for some of the largest manufacturer's out there.

You bring up a good point about the need for air to water intercooling in those applications. Another thing I left out of my last post is that one of the primary reasons companies like Bugatti, Ford, or GM choose air to water intercooling over air to air is airflow...Not just the air traveling through the intercooler or directly in front/around it. What else can that air be doing? Take a look at just about every car that comes from the factory with an air to air intercooler and look at the placement of that intercooler. It is almost never a front mount. GT R intercoolers are on the side. 300ZX intercoolers are side mounted, Toyota Supra intercoolers are side mounted, Subaru WRX intercoolers are top mounted. Why is this?

Because the engineers at those manufacturer's understand that fresh airflow to all of the vehicle's coolers is extremely important. The goal is always to get fresh airflow to each cooler. By mounting a large front mount intercooler directly in front of all of the other coolers means that the second or in some cases third and fourth row of coolers are not seeing fresh air. By the time those coolers see outside air it has already been heated by the intercooler, oil cooler, auto trans cooler, power steering cooler, a/c condenser...you see where I'm going with this.

I am trying hard to convince our engineer's to let me take apart the black car again. Just to take off the fascia so that we can take a picture to show you what I'm talking about. Fortunately, and unfortunately, our engineer's are more concerned with testing and putting miles on the car than they are about marketing.

You also bring up a great point about "The only way to prove or disprove this is w/ extended driving monitoring in and out air temps. Not 7 min of dyno runs on a "HOT" 72° day."

We have done this...Our 5AT G37 coupe was tested at El Toro air force base for high speed runs, heat soak testing (0-140 MPH run after 10 minute heat soak to check heat exchangers ability to dissipate heat from coolant), drifting/abusive testing (tight radius, low speed high RPM turns which keeps airflow low but heat high.) and much much more...

Also, Steve Millen has taken our 6MT red 370Z to Las Vegas, Nevada and back. Then he took it to Virginia City and back with a stop off in Mammoth in freezing temperatures to check the performance of the intercooler and supercharger system in cold climates. Steve stayed the night in Mammoth after a snow storm, let the car sit overnight and fired it back up in the morning. On this trip the car went through high elevation, and cold weather testing.

I personally have also driven the red Z on numerous occasions, sometimes even to local car shows like the Cerritos meet.

Yesterday our head mechanic took our customer's 7AT black 370Z to Baker and back...accidentally missing the 91 freeway entrance and going to Temecula instead...another 350 mile round trip.

We have thousands of miles of testing completed so far. We have the kits driving around the streets on three vehicle's with three different transmission setups so we can make sure that the kit works perfectly on each.

So would I! LOL

We've actually taken these photos but they looked realy bad and the light/white background made everything way to white and it just didn't look good. We used some of the prototype pieces for those photos and now those parts are on the cars that we're testing with. We're still waiting on some of the final components of the kits to come in but as soon as they get here it is a priority for Josh and I to get everything together for a photo.

I apologize if this was answered already, but what additive is used to prevent freezing? Is it an antifreeze mix?

So I see a bunch of roots style SC's that have no choice but to run water and this is the definitive proof thats its the be all, end all? Cmon...

Also, all those side mounted cars still have air directed to them and while technically on the side, are still very much in the FRONT. Lets not forget Evo's, SRT4s, 335i, what else...

The way you guys are debating this crap is the same way I can argue that with your 'better' cooling, comes more points of failure due to the pump, AMIRIGHT?!?! LOL - lets just call it even and stop the QQ'n.

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I wasn't going to get into any discussion, but you seem to be basing your statements on only a small portion of the information. So I feel compiled to (re)point out a couple of things

In an earlier post (copied from my post in the GTM thread) I wrote down some of the benefits for air to water. I wrote them from a neutral standpoint and I didn't see anybody not agreeing with those benefits, not even in the GTM thread.

I'll also repeat what I said in the other thread about reliability
Also the statement was not that is wasn't mounted in the front of the car, but that it wasn't mounted in front of other key components, such as the engine radiator. With the result of having heated air from the intercooler going into the radiator. (I highlighted this same point in my earlier post)

Although the air to water system is pretty tried and proven.
I want to add one personal opinion about the "stick to what is tried and proven".
If everybody thought that way we would still live in the stone ages and would never see any innovations...

Good post, but you seemed to miss my point of 'moving along' more than anything else. I will say this tho...I sure hope they arent just making room on the shelves by using the same core's that the 350's used. Can you say he soaked after one dyno pull, lol.

I know they keep posting about all the real world testing, but i would like to see even a portion of the data they obtained. Something in graph form, showing ambient temp, pre IC temp, and post IC temp, and boost. This would tell EVERYTHING. comparing ambient to pre IC will give you a good idea of how hard they are working the SC, and if its close to its efficiency range, and comparing pre and post IC temps will tell you how well the IC is working. If i missed that somewhere in this thread please point me in the right direction.

if they do that, you're going to buy the kit, right?

LOL. Of course he will.

Why does everyone feel the need to swing from any pair of nuts they can find? These are two great looking kits. And in a few years you can come back and post in either thread, "Ha! Knew our's was better and more reliable . . . ", but until then just stuff the comparisons. You people are absolutely silly.

^ was gonna say so earlier, but I'm staying out of this from now on. At first I thought it was almost insecurity and a search for justification...

GTM can fight their own battle, Stillen can fight their own battle. I feel this forum has become too polarized as a result of this two threads/companies. I hope the damage isn't permanent and once this becomes old news things will go back to normal.

Im sure both kits will do fine, Ill choose the one I like and everyone else will choose the one they like. But in the end it will be all good and hopefully both kits have no major issues so we can enjoy them. Im looking forward to the extra power myself.

its not smart to not do ur due diligence and purchase a kit with out all the information... it is even more questionable to make that statement when at the same time your are implying that you basically bought a kit solely because you are :nutswinger: towards a particular brand... it is a factor to consider, but not the only factor...

stuff the comparisons? ... when purchasing your Z, did you compare it to other cars? ... comparing like items is a common strategy to making an informed decision... since there are no independent information out right now, all somebody could do is to predict how one kit would perform against the other... and at this point you can only do this by analyzing the theories behind each kits' design... air to air vs water to air... vortech vs rotrex... MAF locations... etc etc...

justification/insecurities... since ur initial reaction is this and not to try to share ur opinion about such concerns.. r u admitting that you didn't really consider these topics up when placing your deposit...

Nope. What I'm saying is that it seems some people are trying to point out how much better one kit is than the other over and over and over again even though their mind is set on that kit. If your mind is set, then why keep trying to justify how much better it is than the other kit? Only reason I can think of is that they are searching for justification since they are still unsure about their decision. Its like when an insecure girl tries to find the flaws in all the other girls to feel better about herself.

Both kits will produce similar power, it will come down to drivability and things like that. On that same subject, Sam has been literally swamped with TT builds, I think he had what? 5 different builds going on at once for the past few weeks. I doubt he has spent as much time as he had liked testing the SC. Unless he has mastered the art of being in 10 different places at once. This entire time, Stillen has been conducting testing and driveability and logging thousands of miles on their kit. Just making an observation.

Time will only tell and thats the end of the story. We KNOW both kits work, we have seen results of that. So all the other theoretical arguments you are having right now are a matter of specifics. Specific information we don't have, yet somehow you find a way to arrive at a conclusion that one kit is better or one way of doing things is better.

A lot of the posts are not about analyzing and determining what to purchase. They are an attempt to prove one kit better than the other. And until the kits are out there on the road in good numbers it is silly to do that. I didn't compare my 370 to other cars based on pre production info. I based it on reviews and test drives when the car was out.

But continue as you wish. I'm just trying to point out that there is no reason for the animosity.

1st of, its a forum... a medium to discuss ur opinions and share information... and hopefully as civil as possible..the main goal is to help each other out with what we want to accomplish with our Zs... it doesnt matter if u've set ur preference, what matter is if the information you have presented has some validity...

for example, u'r making a statement that Sam is not having enough time to test the kit... how can you confirm this and how can you assert that he doesnt have techs working for him to help him with the work... perhaps there are 10 sam's at GTM right now... on the other hand, ur using this assumption to imply stillen is doing better testing... are you privvy to how much testing to actually have logged... have you seen any information that has not been presented to everyone else... they do testing and yet they have not provided the statistics to support their tests... so how can you claim that the kit is functioning as designed... i hope you see the fallacies of ur observation ...

it doesnt make sense to me for u to assert insecurities as the reason for the information that was presented... a better analogy would be a dumb pretty girl doing something stupid and saying ur just mad because ur jealous of my prettiness as an excuse for what they did..

all im trying to accomplish is to get more information that will either disprove or confirm the theories that were presented so i can make my decision and help out those who are undecided... information that Stillen actually should already have and for whatever reason has not presented... in fact, the only conclusion i have stated is how it would be illogical for someone to post a deposit at this time with the stillen kit because of the lack of info... :tup:

^ not reading that.

I just don't care what you think, sorry man.

I'm just patiently waiting for my SC, after that we can talk.

Im really interested in the install and how hard or easy it was. And of course the power. Keep us up to date.

Was trying to give you the benefit of the doubt, but after de_dust reading and replying to your post your respond with this?? You want to be heard, but never to listen.

This certainly shows your motivations in all of these threads.

its not that, its that I just dont want to argue Storm. I just don't want to argue about something that its pointless to argue about until we have data. In all honesty, things will be out soon enough man and I'll be very happy to discuss things then.

For the time being I'm tired of the drama, I shouldnt have said anything in the first place. Once all is out and we can actually compare data, then I'm all ears. For the time being, I'm going to wait. Im starting to dread coming in here and its partly my fault.

We are packaging the tuning now!!!

As most of you know the big delay on shipping out the tuning cables was caused by the instructions for the tuning process. The tuning process is different than the normal UPrev process. We worked on a new program that is specific to our supercharger.

We will be shipping out the cables and the tuning software within the next 48 hours. Some will leave today but not all. We want to send these parts first so that people can begin downloading their ECU ROM's and we can confirm that we have the ROM's on file and tuned so that everything is ready to go. By sending out the tuning software early we are able to streamline the installation process and make sure that the tune is ready to go when the supercharger arrives.

We plan on shipping out complete supercharger kits next week. The first superchargers to ship will be the G37 coupe 7 speed auto and 370Z 7 speed autos. Other applications including 5 speed autos and 370Z 6 speeds will ship shortly after that.

:D

I still dont understand, after all the talk about their "testing" and yet you guys are about to receive kits that you know MUCH less about compared to the GTM guys. I think this is why we are getting on your (stillen fanboy's)case. Its not in the slightest about insecurity and more about, wtf are you guys smoking?

I get tired of trying to argue about this **** too, but de_dust's post was spot on and just you dismiss it? I think THAT shows who are the insecure bunch. It was just weeks ago that you hated Storm's guts and now that you see he is a man of his word and really brought out some valuable information to the boards (he had great info before his car was released too) everyone all of a sudden has nothing to say.

Other than that, I just wanted to point out that Sam has a crew that apparently does their work right which allows him to be in so many places at once. So nothing is delayed because of other projects.

ouch! lol

kyle, congrats on the progress! :tup:

Is their any talk about the warranties mentioned a while back? I havent heard to much about this, Kyle maybe you can chime in, or maybe you mentioned it and someone can tell me.

We are working with the same warranty company/insurance provider that we worked with on our other kits. We hope to have a definitive answer on this soon. They basically just want to wait until we have carb.

Point taken, they clearly have a different policy about releasing information than GTM does.

It just seems like people are still trying to take more cracks at this kit and arriving at conclusions that are impossible to arrive to without facts. If you want to talk specifically about one thing or another such as the merits of air to air cooling then so be it, but don't post findings that only support one side when the other side also clearly has some advantages. Otherwise it wouldn't exist.

You know, it may just have been a little illogical, but I had then and have today some good reasons to choose this kit. Nothing to do with what I think of GTM, more to do with the fact that I see things in their design that I don't like. What I'm trying to say is that you showed me both kits and didnt tell me which brand made which I would, without a doubt, choose the stillen one. You may think otherwise for your own reasons, but I got my reasons.

Like I said, they definitely have a different policy on the info they release. I for one don't care which kit you guys get, I know which one I'm getting and why and that's all that really matters. I'm not getting on your case about it.

The reason I didnt reply to his post was because its pointless. There were people who put money down or chose to buy the GTM kit before there was even a formal release! I don't see you guys on their case about making a choice without info. Also, you don't know what info I had or didn't have to make a judgment. I do realize thought that he took the time to write it so at least I can reply.

I hated storms guts because he did NOTHING but post inflammatory comments towards every person that came around. He didn't do ANYTHING to help the site and overall I don't like people that bring everyone else down. I still don't see where he has benefited the boards much, but I can see that he is no longer being an *** so whatever, I have no reason to still hate his guts. I dont know how he is a man of his word? Not sure what word that was that he came through on. Maybe because I had him on ignore for a while, I dont know.

If you guys want to chat, take it to PM. This doesn't belong in this thread.

Since I posted these in the G37 forum, thought I would post them here, this is the G37 kit, with production parts (notice the silicon, etc.) and with a satin vortech (polished available).

http://www.stillen.com/media_files/3...talled_001.jpg

http://www.stillen.com/media_files/3...talled_002.jpg

http://www.stillen.com/media_files/3...talled_003.jpg

http://www.stillen.com/media_files/3...talled_004.jpg

http://www.stillen.com/media_files/3...talled_005.jpg

http://www.stillen.com/media_files/3...talled_006.jpg

Josh on the passenger front wheel well where the intake tubes go into the IC, how much clearance is there between the tubes and the car body? Will they vibrate and rub and they look like they are sitting on the two cables too, are they hitting each other? Thanks.

Out of curiosity, when will we see other pictures other than the top of the engine bay? I'd be interested in seeing the IC itself as well as the plumbing to the filter location etc.

OMG i missed out on 2 days where i could have been getting under RCZ skin. Well thanks guys for keeping after him for me. the last 4 pages just helped me kill some time here in the airport.

Josh, you should take five seconds, and pull the sticker off the overflow that says its for a civic, and maybe top off the power steering fluid while your over there. ;)

oh and nice to meet you at the open house BTW.

...so you're saying testing has been done on a 7AT 370z?

This is obviously the best supercharger kit for the 370z and G37

lol i see what you did :ughdance:

he put in both threads haha

We had all of the components of the supercharger laid out at our open house in the assembly area, as well as a customer install right next too it, in addition to the 370Z that was outside and on the dyno that day.

Our good friends at Motorator.com were out, shooting video of this, as well as the show, and I'm sure a feature with Adam Carolla who was also at the event, talking about the supercharger and other things. (Adam's podcast on the show is up here: http://www.adamcarolla.com/CarCastBl...yCarRadio.html )

Here's their video on the supercharger: Motorator Video - Stillen Supercharger System for 370Z and G37

Adam Carolla was pretty psyched to talk to Steve it seems. It was actually nowhere as annoying to listen to as I was expecting it to be. Seems like Adam knows a thing or two and it seems like he is big fan of Stillen. Cool

ya, like his humor or not, Carolla knows his autos, and from what I've seen he's a halfway-decent driver as well, not the usual celebrity hack. Besides, who doesn't like Steve Millen?