Fast Intentions Stage 2 TT build by MA-Motorsports.

SteveVQ · 11-17-2021, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by husam2012

If you think you need more power than 900whp, then the VQ is definitely not the best motor to stick with. Out of thousands of builds, they have proven to be unreliable.

VR can be built for 15-20k to handle 1500whp, it's a no brainer. The VQ37VHR ECU might be able to control it with VVEL deleted aswell.

Whoa whoa whoa whoa, $20K for a 1500HP VR?

You have any links to back that up? Very curious, if true I may trade in the 370 for the "Nissan Z" when it comes out.

If the VR has that kind of potential... it seems like a no brainer to me too.

husam2012 · 11-17-2021, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by SteveVQ

Whoa whoa whoa whoa, $20K for a 1500HP VR?

You have any links to back that up? Very curious, if true I may trade in the 370 for the "Nissan Z" when it comes out.

If the VR has that kind of potential... it seems like a no brainer to me too.

I didn't mean the bastard VR in the new Z and Q60, that motor is junk with really bad flowing heads, rail and injector issues and is open deck.

The VR38 has been proven time and time again, every drift/time attack boosted VQ ended up switching motors as the VQ kept having head issues. If those teams with almost unlimited budgets gave up, then why would someone as a customer keep trying?

SteveVQ · 11-17-2021, 01:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by husam2012

I didn't mean the bastard VR in the new Z and Q60, that motor is junk with really bad flowing heads, rail and injector issues and is open deck.

The VR38 has been proven time and time again, every drift/time attack boosted VQ ended up switching motors as the VQ kept having head issues. If those teams with almost unlimited budgets gave up, then why would someone as a customer keep trying?

Of course, should of known better, GTR motor swap.

So in reality, still looking at close to six figures when all is said and done.

Spooler · 11-17-2021, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by husam2012

I didn't mean the bastard VR in the new Z and Q60, that motor is junk with really bad flowing heads, rail and injector issues and is open deck.

The VR38 has been proven time and time again, every drift/time attack boosted VQ ended up switching motors as the VQ kept having head issues. If those teams with almost unlimited budgets gave up, then why would someone as a customer keep trying?

Ah, those drift guys want the motors for free. They are sponsored by the engine builders. Chris Forsberg was sponsored by RJM back in the day. We all know what kind of guy Bobby is. I will just leave it at that.

Spooler · 11-17-2021, 02:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by husam2012

If you think you need more power than 900whp, then the VQ is definitely not the best motor to stick with. Out of thousands of builds, they have proven to be unreliable.

VR can be built for 15-20k to handle 1500whp, it's a no brainer. The VQ37VHR ECU might be able to control it with VVEL deleted aswell.

I think you are leaving out the most important part. A junk yard long block VR38 is 15k. Then, if you need to bore it you will need a new block from Nissan. So the real numbers are 30k to 35k. I don't care for motor swaps anyway.
Beside, most folks don't build the VQ correctly anyways. They cheap out big time and expect it to hold.

Spooler · 11-17-2021, 02:34 PM

Name one SOHO motor that has lifted the heads with top fuel hoops.

Spooler · 11-18-2021, 03:14 PM

None of this stuff is cheap and failures are expensive. Way too much misinformation in the community. The failures are freaking painful. Painful to the wallet and the soul.

Elmo370z · 11-18-2021, 03:22 PM

I was going to be one of those people to run a motec until I got a phone and decided to make the switch to a built motor

Spooler · 11-18-2021, 10:22 PM

Let's just say I have always had a goal in mind. I am not close to it yet. It will take several more years to get there if I don't burn out first. I keep my goals close that way I don't have to constantly hear folks say I can't do it. That will fire me up and I will try to go to fast. I need to be wise about it and inch my way up to it.

Rusty · 11-18-2021, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Spooler

Let's just say I have always had a goal in mind. I am not close to it yet. It will take several more years to get there if I don't burn out first. I keep my goals close that way I don't have to constantly hear folks say I can't do it. That will fire me up and I will try to go to fast. I need to be wise about it and inch my way up to it.

Have to learn to walk before you can fly. You're there.

sirnixalot · 11-19-2021, 08:48 AM

I am definitely not the guy who is going to spend $2k on Belak's but I am sure as **** glad there's that level of investment in our platform.

Elmo370z · 11-19-2021, 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by sirnixalot

I am definitely not the guy who is going to spend $2k on Belak's but I am sure as **** glad there's that level of investment in our platform.

It’s not smart by any means. But some people’s passion for it is far greater then you and I. Just like we can laugh at people pouring 100k into a civic to run 7’s. Or 20-50k for an all motor 4 banger to make 800hp. Why spend that when you can buy and eBay turbo kit and a junkyard block with minimal effort to make the same power?

Elmo370z · 11-19-2021, 08:48 AM

Elmo370z · 11-19-2021, 09:52 AM

Here

Spooler · 11-19-2021, 10:02 AM

All I would want a Standalone for is a Motorsports grade traction control. That is the greatest benefit and something that Ecutek can't do. No more ramping the boost in with tuning. I figured that out real quick at Pocono. There was a ton of traction there and I left a good bit of MPH on the table.

11-18-2021, 03:14 PM	#7 (permalink)
Spooler A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Ga Posts: 14,102 Drives: 2013 Nismo 370z Rep Power: 2684394	None of this stuff is cheap and failures are expensive. Way too much misinformation in the community. The failures are freaking painful. Painful to the wallet and the soul. Last edited by Spooler; 11-18-2021 at 03:55 PM.

11-19-2021, 08:48 AM	#11 (permalink)
sirnixalot Track Member Join Date: May 2017 Location: Cayman Islands Posts: 685 Drives: 2010 370Z Rep Power: 57455	I am definitely not the guy who is going to spend $2k on Belak's but I am sure as **** glad there's that level of investment in our platform. __________________ 2010 Sport - LS3 swap loading 2012 Frontier - BTWTuning VK56DE swap

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Spooler A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Ga Posts: 14,102 Drives: 2013 Nismo 370z Rep Power: 2684394	Name one SOHO motor that has lifted the heads with top fuel hoops.

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Elmo370z A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: st. petersburg Posts: 5,727 Drives: 09 nissan 370z Sp M6 Rep Power: 295379	I was going to be one of those people to run a motec until I got a phone and decided to make the switch to a built motor

11-18-2021, 10:22 PM	#9 (permalink)
Spooler A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Ga Posts: 14,102 Drives: 2013 Nismo 370z Rep Power: 2684394	Let's just say I have always had a goal in mind. I am not close to it yet. It will take several more years to get there if I don't burn out first. I keep my goals close that way I don't have to constantly hear folks say I can't do it. That will fire me up and I will try to go to fast. I need to be wise about it and inch my way up to it.

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11-19-2021, 10:02 AM	#15 (permalink)
Spooler A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Ga Posts: 14,102 Drives: 2013 Nismo 370z Rep Power: 2684394	All I would want a Standalone for is a Motorsports grade traction control. That is the greatest benefit and something that Ecutek can't do. No more ramping the boost in with tuning. I figured that out real quick at Pocono. There was a ton of traction there and I left a good bit of MPH on the table.