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Old 12-13-2017, 11:02 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Dude, you were publicly supporting GTM all the way to the end and giving people **** for calling them thieves and scammers. Only when it directly impacted you did you finally admit there were problems. Your unpaid position as RJM's mouthpiece does not add to their credibility.



Fair enough, there have been no public reports of any wrongdoing. But the employment of Bobby given his history speaks volumes. Even if he wasn't locked up for fraud, he's screwed many people here. You're going to always have to fight that association as long as there is one. I'll let it go at that.
Again, your sitting on conjecture of Fraud with no evidence. We do not know of a single instance where Bobby or RJM has screwed over anyone here on this forum. We do know of a single person who blackmailed him here on this very forum and that person was to be served papers from our lawyers if he did not stop. He proceeded to do the same to another shop that was fixing his car.

At this point you have made baseless claims with no supporting evidence. We will leave it at that so that the thread can stay on topic. We continue with our statement there was no fraud and no wrong doing. In fact many of our customers come from doing business with Bobby in the past. I guess time will tell. We are here to stay and develop leading edge products.
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We do not know of a single instance where Bobby ... has screwed over anyone here on this forum.

We continue with our statement there was no fraud and no wrong doing.
You didn't look very hard then. Cosmo wasn't the only one claiming Bobby defrauded him - just the loudest.

Not suggesting that RJM has anything to do with Bobby's past. But his presence at your company is a big red flag for many. You hired him, so you get to deal with any fallout from his past transgressions. It might not be fair to RJM, but that's life.

Put out a quality product and I bet you these concerns die a quick death. But without any real updates, this thread is starting to look unpleasantly familiar (i.e. GTM, AAM, etc...).
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Chuck, I got several people their products and money refunded. So judge me all you want. I got people their money and product and I still lost tens of thousands. I don’t give a flying F what you think dude. I played mediator and didn’t know they were going under. In fact Sam died in the middle of mediating for people...
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Chuck, I got several people their products and money refunded. So judge me all you want. I got people their money and product and I still lost tens of thousands. I don’t give a flying F what you think dude. I played mediator and didn’t know they were going under. In fact Sam died in the middle of mediating for people...
That's great. You also posted quite a bit about how everything was going to be ok, give Sam a chance, he didn't mean for all of this to happen, be patient, etc. Let it go. Like you said, you don't care. It shouldn't effect you that someone(s) on the internet thinks that the reason you were publicly telling people to be patient was that you were hoping to get your own money back out and you knew there wasn't enough of it for you if others were paid.

RJM, sorry for the derail. Good luck.
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I don't understand are you going to buy this kit? You already over and over bring up the same ****, so it can't be just you trying to warn others about past dealings of someone making this kit. At this point your just being a whiny bitch just for the sake of being a whiny bitch.
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I don't understand are you going to buy this kit? You already over and over bring up the same ****, so it can't be just you trying to warn others about past dealings of someone making this kit. At this point your just being a whiny bitch just for the sake of being a whiny bitch.
Who are you? You felt so strongly about this you had to jump in with your fourth post this year? I already apologized to RJM for the derail, what exactly are you trying to accomplish?
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I believe what he is trying to get at is that the people who are interested in watching this kit come together aren’t interested in the past dealings. These guys were cool enough to allow us peeks during development after asking about possible interest in the kit. There is no logical reasoning to question their ethics. No money has changed hands. So nobody cares. I did notice you failed to mention that you didn’t like the hood that doesn’t exist yet. As for me, I’m still patiently waiting the finished product so I can decide my build path.


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There is no logical reasoning to question their ethics.
They do have a history on here and it isn't all sunshine which is why some of use feel like, here we go again.
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If anything, hopefully people will do their research before purchasing anything. I think some members are just trying to inform the community as much as possible.

No one gave Gamma a free pass because they still employed Sam.
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For those looking for an update this was from last night. We started on the lower plenum then found out we had a slight offset off on the cut. i.e. we were cutting un-needed raw material. we are working on it again today and will be posting up more updates. Again no vaporware and we have been 100% up front and honest.

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Just got these from Bobby tonight! Forward progress!
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I don't post a lot but I saw everything go down with GTM and all that went with that. But the way they are doing business is the complete opposite. I for one am excited af about this kit and cant wait to buy one. They have been very clear about everything.
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Update: should be finishing up operation 1 on the lower plenum tonight (topside). Also bobby’s Phone is taking a giant crap so he is getting a new one tomorrow. So no pics tonight unfortunately
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