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nomodsjk 02-23-2017 02:06 AM

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Originally Posted by cooltoy (Post 3619191)

I like this a lot...I agree with the above statement about the bulge being so big and continuing to the front bumper. I think the bulge should be as small as what is necessary to cover the blower and of course in full carbon :yum:

WillVHR 02-23-2017 02:50 AM

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Originally Posted by TopgunZ (Post 3617381)
Then you will never run a positive displacement blower as they require Water and Water only. Water to air isn't terrible. It only is when it's under engineered for a given amount of horsepower.

PD blowers can make some insane power and keep intake temps under control, when they are designed correctly.

To say they are Crap is saying that cars like the cts-v is Crap. Guys are pushing that setup to over 750whp, on water without issues. It was done right.

Daily driven Whipple vettes and stangs are making 800+ to the wheels on water all day.

Don't count it out, but the design needs to be legit.

That's good to know.

I'll be switching to your A2A once I get my tax return by the way.

Ape Factory 02-23-2017 03:01 PM

The hood shouldn't be so over the top it sticks out like a sore thumb on a mostly stock-bodied car. It'd be like sticking a big wing on the back with no body kit. I'd think most guys would not want the additional cost of a body kit just to make the hood fit with the vehicle.

cooltoy 02-23-2017 03:46 PM

My Photoshop was done without any idea on what the dimensions of the SC are, so don't take it as a realistic design. Bullitt has a better understanding of what is needed, as he is working with the shop.

However I do agree, that the bulge has to be as small as possible, and if it has to be as big as bulitt's rendering, then it would be a turn off for me.

Jordo! 02-23-2017 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by bullitt5897 (Post 3619354)
What are people's thoughts on a ZL1 style hood?

My 2 cents: I think something that looks as OEM and minimalist as possible would be ideal. A bulge along the lines of the FT-HS, for example.

MCLOVIN 02-23-2017 09:13 PM

Agreed something OEM as possible.


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hustleman222 02-23-2017 11:39 PM

The first rendering looked better than the vents. First rendering was on point.

theDreamer 02-24-2017 08:15 AM

Since we are talking a whole new hood design for this SC, what would be the potential of new engine mounts that shift slightly. I know 2-3" is a bit much but could help reduce the bulge needed for the hood.

JJ's370z 02-24-2017 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by theDreamer (Post 3619886)
Since we are talking a whole new hood design for this SC, what would be the potential of new engine mounts that shift slightly. I know 2-3" is a bit much but could help reduce the bulge needed for the hood.

When you say shift slightly do you mean lowering the engine?

TechnicZ 02-24-2017 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by theDreamer (Post 3619886)
Since we are talking a whole new hood design for this SC, what would be the potential of new engine mounts that shift slightly. I know 2-3" is a bit much but could help reduce the bulge needed for the hood.

If the engine is lowered that means the transmission and exhaust will sit lower as well, causing a lot of fitment issues. There are adjustable z1 mounts to level out the engine and the transmission but the exhaust length is still a constant length.

RJ MFG 02-24-2017 10:45 PM

Another Big Update!

We have begun finalizing prices on the kit!

We are cramming in all the highest level components you can in the base kit! We want you to only have a few things to upgrade as you grow. The price will be reflecting that quality in the base kit.

The stage 1 kits full turn key will come in at UNDER $10k! An expected $20/hp price point Right in between Gamma and Stillen $/HP. We conservatively expect the stage 1 kits to turn out 500whp. That is our bench mark and initial calculations are looking promising.

What does a stage 1 kit get you?
Whipple 175AX in standard Black finish (color options are available including chrome)
Supercharger kit in raw billet finish (optional Performance coatings are available)
Billet Pulley Assemblies
Billet Cog Pulleys Upper and Lower
High Performance intercooler rated to 1000hp+
Twin Pass Heat Exchanger (massive!)
Meizer 55GPM Pump (3000+ hour Life!!!!)
Upgraded Fuel Components - NEW! ID 1050X, Walbro 355 in tank upgrade (flex Fuel Package available)
Uprev License and Base Tune (we recommend a custom tune but our tune will get you by in the short term)

More Details and parts will come to light in a new thread.

Stage 1.5 (600whp+) pricing will be released later. However, you get the following upgrades:
Choice of 2 pulleys
1300cc Injectors
Return Fuel System
Fuel Pressure Regulator
485 In Tank Upgrade
and a few more goodies we will be holding off for the release!

Stage 2 (700whp+) is being developed and after initial testing we will finalize the kit contents and pricing.

cooltoy 02-24-2017 11:04 PM

Is the hood included?

JJ's370z 02-24-2017 11:08 PM

This sounds fantastic, cant wait for the pics - Any more news on that Australian supplier?

bullitt5897 02-24-2017 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by cooltoy (Post 3620219)
Is the hood included?

The hood is not included. It will be an option. I havent finished designing it so they dont know the cost of the hood yet.

JJ's370z 02-25-2017 01:01 AM

Is there an option to use Ecutek rather than Uprev RJM?

jchammond 02-25-2017 03:22 AM

With the pricing on the kit's being posted,,,maybe soon a dyno spec. sheet will be posted;as i'm anxious to see the lines on the dyno-graph.....and possibly on various fuels.
:)

NRGz 02-25-2017 07:33 AM

Waiting!
I think i read somewhere that you guys were going to try and push stage 1 to CARB?
Ecutek option?


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RJ MFG 02-25-2017 10:34 AM

Gentlemen, Ecutek is an option but as you all know is more expensive when it comes to licensing. We can include it for those who would like to be on ecutek.

Curtis_J 02-25-2017 10:40 AM

I'm getting pretty excited for this.

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theDreamer 02-25-2017 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by TechnicZ (Post 3620209)
If the engine is lowered that means the transmission and exhaust will sit lower as well, causing a lot of fitment issues. There are adjustable z1 mounts to level out the engine and the transmission but the exhaust length is still a constant length.

Correct, but cost of exhaust manifold versus a new hood or modifying stock hood plus new exhaust manifold paired with the SC could give better gains.

MadSciSnails 02-25-2017 11:19 AM

RJ MFG Supercharger kit Feeler...
 
Everyone is concerned about the subtlety of the hood design. I'm more of the opinion of it works.... in reality a full hood replacement will be the best option for the majority. I'm still keen on the initial rendering personally. However finding someone competent enough to complete the install well will cost the same as a full hood replacement. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...915e225b67.jpg


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cooltoy 02-25-2017 12:46 PM

The hood will push the cost past 10 gs.

MCLOVIN 02-25-2017 01:11 PM

Then you have install...


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bullitt5897 02-25-2017 01:20 PM

Guys install will be super easy! Like do it in your garage easy! Like not have to be on jack stands... you simply pull your current intake setup out. Pull off your bumper and crash bar. Bolt in the heat exchanger, reservoir tank and lines. Then drop in the lower intake manifold unit once that is in you bolt on the fuel rail section with your new injectors, the rest of the unit can be preassembled on a bench then dropped in and bolted down. Hook up your intake and lines. Then fill the fluids up flash the car double check everything and start the car...

Should take less than 8 hours to install in your garage if your a competent mechanic.

MCLOVIN 02-25-2017 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by bullitt5897 (Post 3620350)
Guys install will be super easy! Like do it in your garage easy! Like not have to be on jack stands... you simply pull your current intake setup out. Pull off your bumper and crash bar. Bolt in the heat exchanger, reservoir tank and lines. Then drop in the lower intake manifold unit once that is in you bolt on the fuel rail section with your new injectors, the rest of the unit can be preassembled on a bench then dropped in and bolted down. Hook up your intake and lines. Then fill the fluids up flash the car double check everything and start the car...

Should take less than 8 hours to install in your garage if your a competent mechanic.



That's good to know! I have never done an install but that doesn't sound too bad. Will they offer the hoods in a pre painted option?


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bullitt5897 02-25-2017 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by MCLOVIN (Post 3620353)
That's good to know! I have never done an install but that doesn't sound too bad. Will they offer the hoods in a pre painted option?


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As of right now I don't think they will. Most people ask this question and when I ran UAM it was the most asked question. The problem with pre paint is they don't have your car there to match to. There are several shades to each color especially pearl white... it's less risky for a customer service perspective to not paint them. If paint is scratched during shipping or if it doesn't match it can be a nightmare on their end!

MCLOVIN 02-25-2017 02:13 PM

Gotcha makes sense


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Elmo370z 02-25-2017 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by MadSciSnails (Post 3620318)
Everyone is concerned about the subtlety of the hood design. I'm more of the opinion of it works.... in reality a full hood replacement will be the best option for the majority. I'm still keen on the initial rendering personally. However finding someone competent enough to complete the install well will cost the same as a full hood replacement. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...915e225b67.jpg


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That car sounded nasty in person

James10694 02-25-2017 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by bullitt5897 (Post 3620350)
Guys install will be super easy! Like do it in your garage easy! Like not have to be on jack stands... you simply pull your current intake setup out. Pull off your bumper and crash bar. Bolt in the heat exchanger, reservoir tank and lines. Then drop in the lower intake manifold unit once that is in you bolt on the fuel rail section with your new injectors, the rest of the unit can be preassembled on a bench then dropped in and bolted down. Hook up your intake and lines. Then fill the fluids up flash the car double check everything and start the car...

Should take less than 8 hours to install in your garage if your a competent mechanic.

And the clutch to hold said 500whp?

bullitt5897 02-25-2017 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by James10694 (Post 3620397)
And the clutch to hold said 500whp?

Think Torque not hp... Torque is what breaks parts... at 500whp you will be at ~400ftlbs...

James10694 02-25-2017 07:39 PM

Awesome! I guess everyone can stick with the stock clutch for this build which eliminates dropping the tranny during install!

Optimiser 02-25-2017 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by James10694 (Post 3620458)
Awesome! I guess everyone can stick with the stock clutch for this build which eliminates dropping the tranny during install!

I don't think so....:wtf2:

Jayhovah 02-25-2017 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by James10694 (Post 3620458)
Awesome! I guess everyone can stick with the stock clutch for this build which eliminates dropping the tranny during install!

I think that will vary. Some folks have gotten by for a while with the OEM clutch... But I only make 412 ft-lb and mine started letting go on the dyno.

RadioFlyer 02-25-2017 11:29 PM

Yeah, I'm only at ~400whp and my clutch was slipping.

James10694 02-26-2017 03:12 AM

I guess I was being overly sarcastic :icon23:

TechnicZ 02-26-2017 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by theDreamer (Post 3620313)
Correct, but cost of exhaust manifold versus a new hood or modifying stock hood plus new exhaust manifold paired with the SC could give better gains.

I don't think we're on the same page. Imagine lowering the engine to compensate for the supercharger. That's a significant drop in height. What's attached to the engine? Transmission, all hoses, ac lines, and exhaust. In addition you're suggesting a whole new header design (not manifold), in a limited space area already. That cost in R&D and then manufacturing would raise all costs astromically, and honestly will not work due to the transmission sitting lower too changing all angles of shifter engagement and operation angle of the driveshaft. Let's not suggest them to reinvent the wheel. Body shops are experienced in fileting fenders to provide non-functional clearance for the stance crowd. A 2 inch tapered raise in the middle of the hood will be a walk in the park and an easier mod than what you're (possibly?) proposing.

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NRGz 02-28-2017 05:28 PM

I check this post like everyday. I need something to keep me busy.. updates?


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B&W_Evader 03-01-2017 08:35 AM

Yeah, same here. Getting a little concerned at how high the price is going to go now that the hood is in there too. I do like the fact that you can install/remove quickly. That could make it more California friendly. I'm getting the feeling they're backing off pursuing CARB compliance.

nomodsjk 03-01-2017 01:22 PM

Its getting close guys...trust me nobody is more excited for this than me right now. I spoke to Bobby a couple days ago and they're rounding 3rd base right now

NRGz 03-01-2017 02:41 PM

RJ MFG Supercharger kit Feeler...
 
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Originally Posted by B&W_Evader (Post 3621892)
Yeah, same here. Getting a little concerned at how high the price is going to go now that the hood is in there too. I do like the fact that you can install/remove quickly. That could make it more California friendly. I'm getting the feeling they're backing off pursuing CARB compliance.



My last resort (if its cheaper option) would probably grab a used hood off the yard somewhere so i can do a first try of chopping away. Spray or wrap it black. I would love to get it resprayed oem but i havent have much luck of anyone matching the chicane yellows..off topic but ive tried 3 different oem color pens. They all come out a darker- almost orange.

If they have to drop the power down to near stillens to get CARB, i would still consider it in hopes that the parts could be swapped out per stagekit.
I havent read anything good yet from stillen out of the box.
Ive stopped the bolt ons after g3 and an ark exhaust after i saw this announcement.
I was getting ready for some FBO, but thAt cost per/hp is :/.

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