Breaking NEWS - GammaMotors Terminated SAM

JARblue · 10-06-2015, 05:05 PM

No need for animosity between forum members

I think this is a good discussion to have, but we can do it without attacking each other

I know Gamma doesn't owe anything to anyone that did business with GTM. But let's just say they are down in the count, primarily due to association. The more they can do on that end, they better they're going to look in people's eyes. Obviously, as a business, they cannot just make everyone whole. It is an unfortunate situation.

JARblue · 10-06-2015, 05:06 PM

I'm hungry also, so on the food analogy, how would you feel about the following situation: You go into a restaurant, order food, and pay for it. Then while you wait for your food, the restaurant declares bankruptcy, another restaurant buys the recipes (i.e. intellectual property) and opens right back up with essentially the same menu at higher prices and starts taking new orders. Your order number is no longer valid, and the owner of the first restaurant who took your money at the register is still working behind the counter for the new restaurant making the exact same item that you ordered.

Ill · 10-06-2015, 05:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JARblue

I'm hungry also, so on the food analogy, how would you feel about the following situation: You go into a restaurant, order food, and pay for it. Then while you wait for your food, the restaurant declares bankruptcy, another restaurant buys the recipes (i.e. intellectual property) and opens right back up with essentially the same menu at higher prices and starts taking new orders. Your order number is no longer valid, and the owner of the first restaurant who took your money at the register is still working behind the counter for the new restaurant making the exact same item that you ordered.

I didn't think of that way. You do make a good point.

I'm not a group buy participant, but I am a GTM customer. While we had some issues, they were worked out eventually.

I don't have any part of this situation, my post was just the first thing that popped in my head while I lurked the thread.

Looking forward for more material to read while I poop.

Zbrah · 10-06-2015, 05:06 PM

I'm "corrupting" who now? lol never knew my words have the powers to corrupt minds of grown adults over the internet. Everything that I said about gamma are being supported by the guys who have had personal experience dealing with gamma. All you and bullit have done is diverting the facts that gamma is commiting extortion to get more money into their pockets. Keep pushing these guys to go away quietly and " work out a deal" with gamma. Please. I and a few others won't sit here and let that happen. If gamma doesn't want to answer their calls. We will continue to put on the heat and give them bad rep in every thread you guys put up until the here guys get what's owed to them.

birdman71 · 10-06-2015, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Zbrah

I'm "corrupting" who now? lol never knew my words have the powers to corrupt minds of grown adults over the internet. Everything that I said about gamma are being supported by the guys who have had personal experience dealing with gamma. All you and bullit have done is diverting the facts that gamma is commiting extortion to get more money into their pockets. Keep pushing these guys to go away quietly and " work out a deal" with gamma. Please. I and a few others won't sit here and let that happen. If gamma doesn't want to answer their calls. We will continue to put on the heat and give them bad rep in every thread you guys put up until the here guys get what's owed to them.

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Originally Posted by birdman71

Have fun

Skew would be a better word than corrupt
Good luck with that then! Honestly. I understand both sides here because I have been scammed for a big sum of money before and never saw a cent of it nor the product and I also understand there are the members that have all this money invested; but I'm sorry legalities will win in court and in the business world over everything you "think" is morally right and wrong.
You can keep trying but a business will only budge so much, especially if they are already doing the ripped off GTM customers a favor.

I've learned first hand.. (not with GTM or Gamma, completely separate purchase implied)

Zbrah · 10-06-2015, 05:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by birdman71

Skew would be a better word than corrupt
Good luck with that then! Honestly. I understand both sides here because I have been scammed for a big sum of money before and never saw a cent of it nor the product and I also understand there are the members that have all this money invested; but I'm sorry legalities will win in court and in the business world over everything you "think" is morally right and wrong.
You can keep trying but a business will only budge so much, especially if they are already doing the ripped off GTM customers a favor.

I've learned first hand.. (not with GTM or Gamma, completely separate purchase implied)

Yet, you repeatedly encouraged these guys to go in silence and take the legal option. That's very thoughtful of you

Yep, a big favor that comes with a price tag...

birdman71 · 10-06-2015, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Zbrah

Yet, you repeatedly encouraged these guys to go in silence and take the legal option. That's very thoughtful of you

Yep, a big favor that comes with a price tag...

Yeah it does come with a price tag because of the fact that they are not the same company nor have inherited debts

Never once have I encouraged these guys to go in silence and take it how it is.
I have encouraged them to call Gamma Motors and see if they can use leverage to get Gamma to do what they want them to do, OR you can try and get the best deal possible on the money they want to charge you, pay it, and then include it in your lawsuit that you hope to win and get money back..

if it hasn't been clear enough...

EVERYONE WHO HAS BEEN RIPPED OFF BY SAM AND GTM CALL GAMMA MOTORS TO SEE WHAT THEY CAN DO FOR YOU!

Zbrah · 10-06-2015, 06:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by birdman71

Yeah it does come with a price tag because of the fact that they are not the same company nor have inherited debts

Never once have I encouraged these guys to go in silence and take it how it is.
I have encouraged them to call Gamma Motors and see if they can use leverage to get Gamma to do what they want them to do, OR you can try and get the best deal possible on the money they want to charge you, pay it, and then include it in your lawsuit that you hope to win and get money back..

if it hasn't been clear enough...

EVERYONE WHO HAS BEEN RIPPED OFF BY SAM AND GTM CALL GAMMA MOTORS TO SEE WHAT THEY CAN DO FOR YOU!

Umm...they've called?

birdman71 · 10-06-2015, 05:25 PM

Everyone should order stuff from Todd at Vivid Racing!!!!
Great Vendor!

birdman71 · 10-06-2015, 06:17 PM

No it took 5 responses for you to understand that the numbers I was using for my examples, which is why you put multiple replies to separate people together.. lol is everyone as dumb as you in Texas? I sure hope not. Plus I've stated to call Gamma motors multiple times for accurate numbers

All of the information I've been stating and elaborating on has been from someone who actually has been to the shop as of recently or has had consistent insight on this entire process and of whom I have personally discussed

The only information I have seen out of either of your or David's posts are that Gamma cannot be trusted ever and about how Sam is a scam and how everyone who does cater to every customers whim should be banned because we have a community.

As a community you should also know that although opinions can differentiate but when you start with the insults and condescending behavior all it does it bring tension among the community.
But seems to me that you guys do not understand that; please do not say that I have done it too and I am the reason why you guys are because the twice I have been insulting or condescending was after it was already dealt.
Remember that respect isn't given freely

Speaking of respect, doesn't seem like David has acknowledged Todd's post.

Also, how is it that you ended up misunderstanding that last statement? They've called everyone on GTM's list? really? then what is with the issue about how people haven't heard from them and have to call them?

jwick · 10-06-2015, 06:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by birdman71

No it took 5 responses for you to understand that the numbers I was using for my examples, which is why you put multiple replies to separate people together.. lol is everyone as dumb as you in Texas? I sure hope not. Plus I've stated to call Gamma motors multiple times for accurate numbers

All of the information I've been stating and elaborating on has been from someone who actually has been to the shop as of recently or has had consistent insight on this entire process and of whom I have personally discussed

The only information I have seen out of either of your or David's posts are that Gamma cannot be trusted ever and about how Sam is a scam and how everyone who does cater to every customers whim should be banned because we have a community.

As a community you should also know that although opinions can differentiate but when you start with the insults and condescending behavior all it does it bring tension among the community.

But seems to me that you guys do not understand that; please do not say that I have done it too and I am the reason why you guys are because the twice I have been insulting or condescending was after it was already dealt.

Remember that respect isn't given freely

Speaking of respect, doesn't seem like David has acknowledged Todd's post.

Also, how is it that you ended up misunderstanding that last statement? They've called everyone on GTM's list? really? then what is with the issue about how people haven't heard from them and have to call them?

I made a simple joke because your hardheaded *** continued to make the same statements over and over again but never answered my first question. You also continue to add more and more new information every time you post a response. This time you added that all your information is from people speaking directly with Gamma during visits to the shop. You could have listed this as a fact but also information you received from a 3rd party so you cannot completely verify.

Please continue to response because I need something to do between innings

FYI - if you actually read my posts you would know that I have no horse in this race. I was simply trying to get you to clarify a statement and you went left.

SouthArk370Z · 10-06-2015, 06:22 PM

Maybe I'm the only one that feels this way but just being legal is below the minimum standard for people I will do business with. If a company is not willing to treat me and other customers in a fashion that goes above and beyond "legal", I'll take my business elsewhere.

Maybe the GTM-to-Gamma changeover is completely legit and Gamma is a completely separate company that only bought GTM's IP. But, with them keeping Sam on, it sure doesn't look that way. Since I am not privy to the inner workings of Gamma (or any other vendor), all I have to go on is appearances.

Back to the food analogy: if a restaurant cook gives everybody food poisoning and sells his recipes/equipment/building to new owners, I'm not eating there if the same cook is still working there - in any capacity. If anybody else wants to take their chances, I wish them well ... but don't expect a lot of sympathy when you start puking up your supper.

No matter what the truth is (we'll never know for sure), Gamma made a very bad business decision when they decided to keep Sam on the payroll.

birdman71 · 10-06-2015, 06:45 PM

tiller · 10-06-2015, 07:49 PM

Let's just focus on the main parts of these threads,not bashing each other,vendors etc,end of the day we all live and luv Z cars and I would personally like to share my build if and when it starts and see every other member happy with parts they have ordered and get them.

Trips · 10-06-2015, 08:49 PM

ATTENTION ALL MEMBERS!

NO GAMMA MOTORS DISCUSSIONS WILL BE ALLOWED!

THIS IS A GOOD EXAMPLE OF WHAT WILL CONTINUE TO HAPPEN IF ALLOWED.

10-06-2015, 05:05 PM	#1 (permalink)
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JARblue A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Austin, TX Age: 45 Posts: 36,450 Drives: 11 Z34, 98 E36 M3 Rep Power: 2684442	I'm hungry also, so on the food analogy, how would you feel about the following situation: You go into a restaurant, order food, and pay for it. Then while you wait for your food, the restaurant declares bankruptcy, another restaurant buys the recipes (i.e. intellectual property) and opens right back up with essentially the same menu at higher prices and starts taking new orders. Your order number is no longer valid, and the owner of the first restaurant who took your money at the register is still working behind the counter for the new restaurant making the exact same item that you ordered. elperuano and Eclipz like this. __________________ 2011 370Z 6MT Sport Gun Metallic \| ARC \| CJM \| Ecutek \| FI \| Fujimura \| R2C \| SPL \| Stillen \| TWM \| Z1 \| ZSpeed \|

10-06-2015, 05:06 PM	#4 (permalink)
Zbrah A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2013 Location: The370Z.com Posts: 4,956 Drives: 370Z Rep Power: 5454	I'm "corrupting" who now? lol never knew my words have the powers to corrupt minds of grown adults over the internet. Everything that I said about gamma are being supported by the guys who have had personal experience dealing with gamma. All you and bullit have done is diverting the facts that gamma is commiting extortion to get more money into their pockets. Keep pushing these guys to go away quietly and " work out a deal" with gamma. Please. I and a few others won't sit here and let that happen. If gamma doesn't want to answer their calls. We will continue to put on the heat and give them bad rep in every thread you guys put up until the here guys get what's owed to them. __________________ Last edited by Zbrah; 10-06-2015 at 05:09 PM.

10-06-2015, 05:25 PM	#9 (permalink)
birdman71 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 1,579 Drives: People Crazy! Rep Power: 42	Everyone should order stuff from Todd at Vivid Racing!!!! Great Vendor! vividracing likes this. __________________ *Birdman's Build:* Powerhouse Amuse/ Nismo/ Eibach/ ACT/ Tommy Kaira/ Avant Garde/ Fast Intentions/ Project Kics/ Fly 1 Motorsports/ EVO-R/ Z1 Motorsports/ Weber Sports/ Zoom/ Zele Japan Last edited by birdman71; 10-06-2015 at 05:27 PM.

10-06-2015, 06:17 PM	#10 (permalink)
birdman71 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 1,579 Drives: People Crazy! Rep Power: 42	No it took 5 responses for you to understand that the numbers I was using for my examples, which is why you put multiple replies to separate people together.. lol is everyone as dumb as you in Texas? I sure hope not. Plus I've stated to call Gamma motors multiple times for accurate numbers All of the information I've been stating and elaborating on has been from someone who actually has been to the shop as of recently or has had consistent insight on this entire process and of whom I have personally discussed The only information I have seen out of either of your or David's posts are that Gamma cannot be trusted ever and about how Sam is a scam and how everyone who does cater to every customers whim should be banned because we have a community. As a community you should also know that although opinions can differentiate but when you start with the insults and condescending behavior all it does it bring tension among the community. But seems to me that you guys do not understand that; please do not say that I have done it too and I am the reason why you guys are because the twice I have been insulting or condescending was after it was already dealt. Remember that respect isn't given freely Speaking of respect, doesn't seem like David has acknowledged Todd's post. Also, how is it that you ended up misunderstanding that last statement? They've called everyone on GTM's list? really? then what is with the issue about how people haven't heard from them and have to call them? __________________ *Birdman's Build:* Powerhouse Amuse/ Nismo/ Eibach/ ACT/ Tommy Kaira/ Avant Garde/ Fast Intentions/ Project Kics/ Fly 1 Motorsports/ EVO-R/ Z1 Motorsports/ Weber Sports/ Zoom/ Zele Japan Last edited by birdman71; 10-06-2015 at 06:21 PM.

10-06-2015, 06:22 PM	#12 (permalink)
SouthArk370Z Premium Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: South Arkansas Posts: 8,435 Drives: 2014 Challenger Rep Power: 324199	Maybe I'm the only one that feels this way but just being legal is *below* the minimum standard for people I will do business with. If a company is not willing to treat me and other customers in a fashion that goes above and beyond "legal", I'll take my business elsewhere. Maybe the GTM-to-Gamma changeover is completely legit and Gamma is a completely separate company that only bought GTM's IP. But, with them keeping Sam on, it sure doesn't look that way. Since I am not privy to the inner workings of Gamma (or any other vendor), all I have to go on is appearances. Back to the food analogy: if a restaurant cook gives everybody food poisoning and sells his recipes/equipment/building to new owners, I'm not eating there if the same cook is still working there - in any capacity. If anybody else wants to take their chances, I wish them well ... but don't expect a lot of sympathy when you start puking up your supper. No matter what the truth is (we'll never know for sure), Gamma made a very bad business decision when they decided to keep Sam on the payroll. JARblue likes this. __________________ Steering Lock Links - Search The370Z Bookmarklet - FSM @ NICOclub Mankind has progressed past the need for war but we haven't evolved that far. - NachoMahma Last edited by SouthArk370Z; 10-06-2015 at 06:26 PM.

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birdman71 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 1,579 Drives: People Crazy! Rep Power: 42	__________________ *Birdman's Build:* Powerhouse Amuse/ Nismo/ Eibach/ ACT/ Tommy Kaira/ Avant Garde/ Fast Intentions/ Project Kics/ Fly 1 Motorsports/ EVO-R/ Z1 Motorsports/ Weber Sports/ Zoom/ Zele Japan

10-06-2015, 07:49 PM	#14 (permalink)
tiller Enthusiast Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: ontario Posts: 370 Drives: 09 370z touring Rep Power: 16	Let's just focus on the main parts of these threads,not bashing each other,vendors etc,end of the day we all live and luv Z cars and I would personally like to share my build if and when it starts and see every other member happy with parts they have ordered and get them.

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Trips Administrator Join Date: May 2009 Location: Disneyland Posts: 8,736 Drives: 🔰 Rep Power: 10	ATTENTION ALL MEMBERS! NO GAMMA MOTORS DISCUSSIONS WILL BE ALLOWED! THIS IS A GOOD EXAMPLE OF WHAT WILL CONTINUE TO HAPPEN IF ALLOWED. G37Sam, 2011 Nismo#91, JARblue and 6 others like this. __________________

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