Recent interactions with GTM/Gamma

SolarO350Z · 10-01-2015, 10:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DEpointfive0

$2200 is better than not having ANY kit, no?

And I'm probably one of the most trustworthy people on this forum (at least I believe in my own mind) so I can go pick it up for you, confirm everything is there. Then turn around and sell the whole kit

Sorry man that kit went for 7800 max with injectors, tuner, FP. I would rather pay more and source the rest then pay SCUM! I can buy the SC from Jackson racing get in 3 days! have a local guy custom make my pipes. I have the most important part the fabbed brackets. I served in the Marines so this sickens me so I'm very stubborn when it comes to integrity issues. Plus it screws everyone around if I took the deal. Sorry can't do it. Rather pay extra to honest people then the bad ones. Look at his prices he's jacking up the rates in this community for his kits now.

2011 Nismo#91 · 10-01-2015, 07:38 AM

Samer Zawahra - Member for Gamma Motors LLC
Sam sole owner of GAMMA as listed by CA public records. Anyone that tries to say otherwise is full of it.

He is ordering some Chinese turbo manifolds and inter-coolers.
https://www.importgenius.com/importers/gamma-motors-llc
https://panjiva.com/Gamma-Motors-Llc/35546816

Boss_302 · 10-01-2015, 11:36 AM

You want good advice, if they are offering you your money back, than take it an never look back. They are not honorable businessman and what ever parts you wind up with will give you a headache.

Zbrah · 10-01-2015, 12:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boss_302

You want good advice, if they are offering you your money back, than take it an never look back. They are not honorable businessman and what ever parts you wind up with will give you a headache.

Exept they aren't giving out any refunds

See their emails posted earlier in the thread.

hjo1078 · 10-01-2015, 01:18 PM

I think solar is right. And the keyword i saw was " integrity" if he gives in gamma will do this to everyone else waiting for a kit. Someone should post about this on jalopnik.

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GZ3 · 10-01-2015, 01:22 PM

over on SVT forums, man those guys are amazing...anytime someone screws anyone they do internet justice like no other. Im all for bringing this out and getting the word out on these cowards

Zbrah · 10-01-2015, 01:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GZ3

over on SVT forums, man those guys are amazing...anytime someone screws anyone they do internet justice like no other. Im all for bringing this out and getting the word out on these cowards

Someone with computer skills should be able to track down this guy's personal information (license plate, bank accounts, parents/relatives, where he sleeps at night, etc.) and plaster it all over the net! That how we usually draw the scum bags out to do the right thing!

GZ3 · 10-01-2015, 05:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zbrah

Someone with computer skills should be able to track down this guy's personal information (license plate, bank accounts, parents/relatives, where he sleeps at night, etc.) and plaster it all over the net! That how we usually draw the scum bags out to do the right thing!

Yes, exactly how they do justice over there...its beautiful

and it does not get closed, the mods are all about "just deserves" over there, Shouldn't be that hard, and these ******** seem like they deserve it

Lt8Che · 10-01-2015, 02:04 PM

Give it to the world of reddit/4chan and let Anonymous handle it.

Zbrah · 10-01-2015, 02:16 PM

Personal info removed. Don't want the thread closed. If anyone wants to find where this guy lives just google his full name. It's on the first few pages.

( Click to show/hide )

Voice59 · 10-01-2015, 02:20 PM

lol...damn.

jwick · 10-01-2015, 02:37 PM

He lives in Rancho Cucamonga. That's the neighborhood Day-Day lives in. That's awesome!!!

FPenvy · 10-01-2015, 02:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jwick

He lives in Rancho Cucamonga. That's the neighborhood Day-Day lives in. That's awesome!!!

she said she was gonna suck my dick from the back......I aint ever had that before Craig!

bullitt5897 · 10-01-2015, 02:42 PM

Ok so let me chime in here. Since I know more of the back end inner workings than most and the deals that have transpired from the GTM to Gamma transition. Like many of you I have outstanding items that are owed. I will not go into my personal details because I do not feel the need to vent them here.

SAM:
- Sam sold the intellectual rights to a foreign group that has taken over the product line.
- GTM is no more and Sam was hired by the new company...
- Sam is no longer making decisions financially for the company. So asking him will get you "nowhere" trust me on this...
- Sam on all the documentation/licensing is on purpose and I will go into that in a second.
- Sam's role has been strictly limited to R&D and the Tech side of the house.

The New Guys:
- The new guys are not US based and when they bought the intellectual property of GTM. They hired Sam to keep developing products.
- Because the new guys are not stateside they needed help in getting the new business up and running ASAP. In this they needed to retain the licenses, permits within rancho Cucamunga, CA. This is why you see Sam's name on the documents. Sam had to retain and procure these as part of the buy out.
- The new guys legally did not obtain the debt that GTM or Sam owed. In that right they dont have to do squat for us that are still owed. This is a reality and one that I wish wasnt so.

Buying stuff from Gamma:
- Im not going to tell you to buy or not to buy from the new guys what I am going to say is that the new operation is slow going and they are being strategic on who they offer compensation to.
-The new guys have an uphill battle to fight due to the actions of the predecessor. In that regard they have been offering deals for existing customers with items still owed like the OP.
- To the extent of who for and how long this will last I haven't the faintest clue and like many of you I am trying to be made whole as well.

^^^^ The above are facts... not my opinion but of what is truly transpiring behind the scenes. I wish I could give more but until I vet out the information I have I wont post hearsay.

MY OPINION:
If Gamma wants to make an impact with the community they should target the existing customers and make things "right" as they can. By doing so it will cost them heavily financially but it can be written off in the tax burden and in the same time help build the name for the new company Gamma Motors. As far as pricing they will need to remain competitive as they bought late into the game. Raising the prices without investing into higher quality and more performance is going to get them less of the market share. I have stated to Sam to pass along to the new owners the idea to purchase an Orbital welder. This investment alone would save them time and money while also providing them perfect welds on every pipe that leaves their manufacturing line. The QA issues of GTM would effectively been eliminated in regards to previous piping. At the same time they should focus on innovative designs and not just high profit margins at the onslaught. The way the perception the company is getting is that they took over and raised the prices without addressing the issues GTM had in the past... To the new owners "Perception is reality" in the eyes of the customer. Until you can break through the barriers of: Debt to customers, Supply Chain Issues, Quality control issues, and customer communication problems to name a few you will not gain the market share you were hoping to buy into.

I have run several businesses and I run an international program for a fortune 100 company. I know what it takes to be successful and I am probably one of the few here who can see past the emotions and see what needs to be done to make sure that Gamma is successful but MORE importantly you are a good steward to the market place and you repair the damage to the customer base...

My Recommendations to the new owners:
-Whether you like my opinion or advice here is a list of some simple steps to fix the problems you are facing and will face in this uphill battle to gain market share:

Step 1: Work with Sam to consolidate the list of Debts owed to customers. Offer a product for forgiveness of debt. Current Retail value of product to cover debt owed (and in the case like the OP cover the kit as your costs are not that high for the kits being made). This will gain you a forward step in the community and probably get your ban lifted.

Step 2: Keep your product offerings limited while you are in this start up phase. One of the problems GTM had was a wide and deep product line but only being able to deliver on a narrow and shallow product depth.

Step 3: bring your work in house! Bring your casting Stateside! If Other companies can do it at a lower price point so can you! This means you will have to invest into your market and not be a fly by night operation... Lower profits but more kits sold. The way this market works is by quantity and quality of kits.

Step 4: Invest into targeted technologies that are relatively low cost but reduce your overall production costs. The orbital welder is a perfect example! Instead of outsourcing your welding and paying a premium spend the $20-$50k and be able to have perfect pipes that a customer is willing to pay a premium for! I know I for one would have paid an additional $500 for orbital welds on all my piping! Even at that pricing you break even within your first 100 kits sold!

Step 5: Offer an upgrade path on the current designs! V3 Manifold upgrades for all those with the current V2 manifolds. for those with warranty issues offer a low cost solution to upgrade. Make sure to cover your costs but at the same time not break the customers bank!

Step 6: Hire a marketing manager that can present your company! A face of the business that people can trust! Keep clear and open communication and always always tell the truth! If something is going to be late or their is a complication the customer wants to know about it! You would be surprised how flexible most customers are given clear and proper communication.

Step 7: Choose 1 of the 2 -
Choice 1 - Be a performance shop and take in builds
or
Choice 2 - Be a manufacturer and utilize your own cars for test beds... nobody wants to give up their car for years to be a test dummy!

Now I can go on and on how you should do business. Being a business owner myself I always relied on my reputation to gain new work. In the car scene in America you will need the same! I say you honor the OP and send him the kit he already paid for. At this point in time you need all the positive publicity you can get! as the nissan community is not going to let this blow over in the next several years... If you want to make money make things right first and you will have a much larger loyal customer base!

-Mike

tiller · 10-01-2015, 04:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bullitt5897

Ok so let me chime in here. Since I know more of the back end inner workings than most and the deals that have transpired from the GTM to Gamma transition. Like many of you I have outstanding items that are owed. I will not go into my personal details because I do not feel the need to vent them here.

SAM:
- Sam sold the intellectual rights to a foreign group that has taken over the product line.
- GTM is no more and Sam was hired by the new company...
- Sam is no longer making decisions financially for the company. So asking him will get you "nowhere" trust me on this...
- Sam on all the documentation/licensing is on purpose and I will go into that in a second.
- Sam's role has been strictly limited to R&D and the Tech side of the house.

The New Guys:
- The new guys are not US based and when they bought the intellectual property of GTM. They hired Sam to keep developing products.
- Because the new guys are not stateside they needed help in getting the new business up and running ASAP. In this they needed to retain the licenses, permits within rancho Cucamunga, CA. This is why you see Sam's name on the documents. Sam had to retain and procure these as part of the buy out.
- The new guys legally did not obtain the debt that GTM or Sam owed. In that right they dont have to do squat for us that are still owed. This is a reality and one that I wish wasnt so.

Buying stuff from Gamma:
- Im not going to tell you to buy or not to buy from the new guys what I am going to say is that the new operation is slow going and they are being strategic on who they offer compensation to.
-The new guys have an uphill battle to fight due to the actions of the predecessor. In that regard they have been offering deals for existing customers with items still owed like the OP.
- To the extent of who for and how long this will last I haven't the faintest clue and like many of you I am trying to be made whole as well.

^^^^ The above are facts... not my opinion but of what is truly transpiring behind the scenes. I wish I could give more but until I vet out the information I have I wont post hearsay.

MY OPINION:
If Gamma wants to make an impact with the community they should target the existing customers and make things "right" as they can. By doing so it will cost them heavily financially but it can be written off in the tax burden and in the same time help build the name for the new company Gamma Motors. As far as pricing they will need to remain competitive as they bought late into the game. Raising the prices without investing into higher quality and more performance is going to get them less of the market share. I have stated to Sam to pass along to the new owners the idea to purchase an Orbital welder. This investment alone would save them time and money while also providing them perfect welds on every pipe that leaves their manufacturing line. The QA issues of GTM would effectively been eliminated in regards to previous piping. At the same time they should focus on innovative designs and not just high profit margins at the onslaught. The way the perception the company is getting is that they took over and raised the prices without addressing the issues GTM had in the past... To the new owners "Perception is reality" in the eyes of the customer. Until you can break through the barriers of: Debt to customers, Supply Chain Issues, Quality control issues, and customer communication problems to name a few you will not gain the market share you were hoping to buy into.

I have run several businesses and I run an international program for a fortune 100 company. I know what it takes to be successful and I am probably one of the few here who can see past the emotions and see what needs to be done to make sure that Gamma is successful but MORE importantly you are a good steward to the market place and you repair the damage to the customer base...

My Recommendations to the new owners:
-Whether you like my opinion or advice here is a list of some simple steps to fix the problems you are facing and will face in this uphill battle to gain market share:

Step 1: Work with Sam to consolidate the list of Debts owed to customers. Offer a product for forgiveness of debt. Current Retail value of product to cover debt owed (and in the case like the OP cover the kit as your costs are not that high for the kits being made). This will gain you a forward step in the community and probably get your ban lifted.

Step 2: Keep your product offerings limited while you are in this start up phase. One of the problems GTM had was a wide and deep product line but only being able to deliver on a narrow and shallow product depth.

Step 3: bring your work in house! Bring your casting Stateside! If Other companies can do it at a lower price point so can you! This means you will have to invest into your market and not be a fly by night operation... Lower profits but more kits sold. The way this market works is by quantity and quality of kits.

Step 4: Invest into targeted technologies that are relatively low cost but reduce your overall production costs. The orbital welder is a perfect example! Instead of outsourcing your welding and paying a premium spend the $20-$50k and be able to have perfect pipes that a customer is willing to pay a premium for! I know I for one would have paid an additional $500 for orbital welds on all my piping! Even at that pricing you break even within your first 100 kits sold!

Step 5: Offer an upgrade path on the current designs! V3 Manifold upgrades for all those with the current V2 manifolds. for those with warranty issues offer a low cost solution to upgrade. Make sure to cover your costs but at the same time not break the customers bank!

Step 6: Hire a marketing manager that can present your company! A face of the business that people can trust! Keep clear and open communication and always always tell the truth! If something is going to be late or their is a complication the customer wants to know about it! You would be surprised how flexible most customers are given clear and proper communication.

Step 7: Choose 1 of the 2 -
Choice 1 - Be a performance shop and take in builds
or
Choice 2 - Be a manufacturer and utilize your own cars for test beds... nobody wants to give up their car for years to be a test dummy!

Now I can go on and on how you should do business. Being a business owner myself I always relied on my reputation to gain new work. In the car scene in America you will need the same! I say you honor the OP and send him the kit he already paid for. At this point in time you need all the positive publicity you can get! as the nissan community is not going to let this blow over in the next several years... If you want to make money make things right first and you will have a much larger loyal customer base!

-Mike

Do you think as a business owner yourself it's okay to ignore and lie and not return calls,to a customer after he sends you almost ten thousand dollars?if they came thru with my kit as I told them iam ready to do more business and build my car to the next level,but right now I can't even start cuz iam out 8500 and have no sc kit in my hands

10-01-2015, 07:38 AM	#2 (permalink)
2011 Nismo#91 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: NJ Posts: 2,412 Drives: slowly Rep Power: 40570	Samer Zawahra - Member for Gamma Motors LLC Sam sole owner of GAMMA as listed by CA public records. Anyone that tries to say otherwise is full of it. He is ordering some Chinese turbo manifolds and inter-coolers. https://www.importgenius.com/importers/gamma-motors-llc https://panjiva.com/Gamma-Motors-Llc/35546816 TerribleONE, Legz, hjo1078 and 3 others like this.

10-01-2015, 01:18 PM	#5 (permalink)
hjo1078 Track Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: virginia Age: 46 Posts: 572 Drives: twin turbo 370z Rep Power: 5396	I think solar is right. And the keyword i saw was " integrity" if he gives in gamma will do this to everyone else waiting for a kit. Someone should post about this on jalopnik. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk TerribleONE likes this.

10-01-2015, 01:22 PM	#6 (permalink)
GZ3 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: SATX Posts: 3,296 Drives: Z Rep Power: 22	over on SVT forums, man those guys are amazing...anytime someone screws anyone they do internet justice like no other. Im all for bringing this out and getting the word out on these cowards hjo1078 and Zbrah like this. __________________ 09 GT-R 12' 370Z 7AT HANDED DOWN 12'+13' 5.0 SOLD

10-01-2015, 02:04 PM	#9 (permalink)
Lt8Che Enthusiast Member Join Date: Jul 2015 Location: Texas Posts: 300 Drives: 10-G37x-Black-7AT Rep Power: 11	Give it to the world of reddit/4chan and let Anonymous handle it. hjo1078 and YzGyz like this.

10-01-2015, 02:16 PM	#10 (permalink)
Zbrah A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2013 Location: The370Z.com Posts: 4,956 Drives: 370Z Rep Power: 5453	Personal info removed. Don't want the thread closed. If anyone wants to find where this guy lives just google his full name. It's on the first few pages. ( Click to show/hide ) It's also saved in my album GZ3, 2011 Nismo#91 and JARblue like this. __________________ Last edited by Zbrah; 10-01-2015 at 03:31 PM.

10-01-2015, 11:36 AM	#3 (permalink)
Boss_302 Base Member Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: NY NY Posts: 150 Drives: 11 Nissan 370z S Mt Rep Power: 13	You want good advice, if they are offering you your money back, than take it an never look back. They are not honorable businessman and what ever parts you wind up with will give you a headache.

10-01-2015, 02:20 PM	#11 (permalink)
Voice59 Premium Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Va Beach, Virginia Posts: 1,418 Drives: 2009 Nissan 370z Rep Power: 16	lol...damn. __________________ Amuse//GTM//Stance//Z1//ONEighty//Defi//VolkRacing//FLy1Motorsports Seibon//FastIntentions//Zspeed//Mishimoto//EBC//Innovate//Defi//Ichiba Quaife//RJM//Galeforce//ShineAuto//TWM//IG @n0w_u_z_me

10-01-2015, 02:37 PM	#12 (permalink)
jwick A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Houston Posts: 14,532 Drives: '10 G37 6MT Rep Power: 2465057	He lives in Rancho Cucamonga. That's the neighborhood Day-Day lives in. That's awesome!!! __________________ '10 G37T 6MT Graphite/Graphite - BP - G37T Build

10-01-2015, 02:42 PM	#14 (permalink)
bullitt5897 Premium Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: North GA Posts: 6,831 Drives: Twin Turbo Z34 Rep Power: 3683	Ok so let me chime in here. Since I know more of the back end inner workings than most and the deals that have transpired from the GTM to Gamma transition. Like many of you I have outstanding items that are owed. I will not go into my personal details because I do not feel the need to vent them here. SAM: - Sam sold the intellectual rights to a foreign group that has taken over the product line. - GTM is no more and Sam was hired by the new company... - Sam is no longer making decisions financially for the company. So asking him will get you "nowhere" trust me on this... - Sam on all the documentation/licensing is on purpose and I will go into that in a second. - Sam's role has been strictly limited to R&D and the Tech side of the house. The New Guys: - The new guys are not US based and when they bought the intellectual property of GTM. They hired Sam to keep developing products. - Because the new guys are not stateside they needed help in getting the new business up and running ASAP. In this they needed to retain the licenses, permits within rancho Cucamunga, CA. This is why you see Sam's name on the documents. Sam had to retain and procure these as part of the buy out. - The new guys legally did not obtain the debt that GTM or Sam owed. In that right they dont have to do squat for us that are still owed. This is a reality and one that I wish wasnt so. Buying stuff from Gamma: - Im not going to tell you to buy or not to buy from the new guys what I am going to say is that the new operation is slow going and they are being strategic on who they offer compensation to. -The new guys have an uphill battle to fight due to the actions of the predecessor. In that regard they have been offering deals for existing customers with items still owed like the OP. - To the extent of who for and how long this will last I haven't the faintest clue and like many of you I am trying to be made whole as well. ^^^^ The above are facts... not my opinion but of what is truly transpiring behind the scenes. I wish I could give more but until I vet out the information I have I wont post hearsay. MY OPINION: If Gamma wants to make an impact with the community they should target the existing customers and make things "right" as they can. By doing so it will cost them heavily financially but it can be written off in the tax burden and in the same time help build the name for the new company Gamma Motors. As far as pricing they will need to remain competitive as they bought late into the game. Raising the prices without investing into higher quality and more performance is going to get them less of the market share. I have stated to Sam to pass along to the new owners the idea to purchase an Orbital welder. This investment alone would save them time and money while also providing them perfect welds on every pipe that leaves their manufacturing line. The QA issues of GTM would effectively been eliminated in regards to previous piping. At the same time they should focus on innovative designs and not just high profit margins at the onslaught. The way the perception the company is getting is that they took over and raised the prices without addressing the issues GTM had in the past... To the new owners "Perception is reality" in the eyes of the customer. Until you can break through the barriers of: Debt to customers, Supply Chain Issues, Quality control issues, and customer communication problems to name a few you will not gain the market share you were hoping to buy into. I have run several businesses and I run an international program for a fortune 100 company. I know what it takes to be successful and I am probably one of the few here who can see past the emotions and see what needs to be done to make sure that Gamma is successful but MORE importantly you are a good steward to the market place and you repair the damage to the customer base... My Recommendations to the new owners: -Whether you like my opinion or advice here is a list of some simple steps to fix the problems you are facing and will face in this uphill battle to gain market share: Step 1: Work with Sam to consolidate the list of Debts owed to customers. Offer a product for forgiveness of debt. Current Retail value of product to cover debt owed (and in the case like the OP cover the kit as your costs are not that high for the kits being made). This will gain you a forward step in the community and probably get your ban lifted. Step 2: Keep your product offerings limited while you are in this start up phase. One of the problems GTM had was a wide and deep product line but only being able to deliver on a narrow and shallow product depth. Step 3: bring your work in house! Bring your casting Stateside! If Other companies can do it at a lower price point so can you! This means you will have to invest into your market and not be a fly by night operation... Lower profits but more kits sold. The way this market works is by quantity and quality of kits. Step 4: Invest into targeted technologies that are relatively low cost but reduce your overall production costs. The orbital welder is a perfect example! Instead of outsourcing your welding and paying a premium spend the $20-$50k and be able to have perfect pipes that a customer is willing to pay a premium for! I know I for one would have paid an additional $500 for orbital welds on all my piping! Even at that pricing you break even within your first 100 kits sold! Step 5: Offer an upgrade path on the current designs! V3 Manifold upgrades for all those with the current V2 manifolds. for those with warranty issues offer a low cost solution to upgrade. Make sure to cover your costs but at the same time not break the customers bank! Step 6: Hire a marketing manager that can present your company! A face of the business that people can trust! Keep clear and open communication and always always tell the truth! If something is going to be late or their is a complication the customer wants to know about it! You would be surprised how flexible most customers are given clear and proper communication. Step 7: Choose 1 of the 2 - Choice 1 - Be a performance shop and take in builds or Choice 2 - Be a manufacturer and utilize your own cars for test beds... nobody wants to give up their car for years to be a test dummy! Now I can go on and on how you should do business. Being a business owner myself I always relied on my reputation to gain new work. In the car scene in America you will need the same! I say you honor the OP and send him the kit he already paid for. At this point in time you need all the positive publicity you can get! as the nissan community is not going to let this blow over in the next several years... If you want to make money make things right first and you will have a much larger loyal customer base! -Mike vividracing, BOLIO 671, warpeacelove and 6 others like this. __________________ *Shop Cars: 2013 318whp Nismo VspecII 370z SOLD, 2009 1000hp+ 93oct 4.0L TT 370z Fast Intentions STAGE 4 #054*

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